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Your taking that verse from Hebrews 10:25 and using it as a billy club to beat people into submission to a legalistic system to "attend church" is utter nonsense. You do not understand the letter to the Hebrew Christians. Allow me to help.

First, I have not forsaken gathering with saints in any way, shape, or form. And our fellowship is always with Christ in one another. Always. Jesus is Head and we treat Him as such. It's the denominations who have cut themselves off from the Body, not vice versa. Unless I belong to your club, organization, am a tithing member in good standing, you think I'm in sin. Outrageous.

The saints I have made into disciples seek out the lost and the saved day and night and wish to enjoy SPIRITUAL fellowship with people at all times. We are not the slightest bit interested in the world. We do not speak of the earth. We urge people everywhere to repent of their sins and hope to teach them how to use their time wisely. Most Christians are not interested in this type of commitment. In fact, almost all that we meet are not.

The letter to the Hebrews was written to Jewish Christians who were under great pressure to forsake Christ, and they were undergoing persecution again. Pay attention. This is important:

In the letter we read that they had at one time ---

Hebrews 10:32 But recall the former days when, after you were enlightened, you endured a hard struggle with sufferings,
Hebrews 10:33 sometimes being publicly exposed to reproach and affliction, and sometimes being partners with those so treated.
Hebrews 10:34 For you had compassion on those in prison, and you joyfully accepted the plundering of your property, since you knew that you yourselves had a better possession and an abiding one.
Hebrews 10:35 Therefore do not throw away your confidence, which has a great reward.

These Christians were facing again, great persecution for the Name of Christ Jesus. And rather than implement a legalistic requirement about "church attendance" on these saints who had come into the Liberty of Christ, [God forbid!], the apostle is telling them to stand by one another and go down in a blaze of glory for the Lord's Name, if it should come to that.

"If Timmy' s house is being burned with fire, and his possessions taken away from him because for being known as a follower of Christ, then they will do the same thing to me if I am associated with him."

So the answer, you see, is that the Saints were under TEMPTATION to distance themselves from other saints. Thus the correct understanding, especially in light of all your understanding to "Live by Grace and faith, and not by Law" which you somehow lost sight of in your post to me, is to STAND BY ONE ANOTHER IN JESUS and not forsake meeting together and suffer the consequences thereof! Glorious!!!!!

And this kind of love should be practiced almost everyday in one another's homes, breaking bread together, and encouraging one another, as long as it’s called “Today”.

And if Timmy's house gets burned down, I will stand with him in Christ! Wow! BEAUTIFUL!!!!

Sing together now, "We all go down in a blaze of glory!"

Hebrews 10:25 not neglecting to meet together, as is the habit of some, but encouraging one another, and all the more as you see the Day drawing near.

You have turned that beautiful verse into something ugly, and

Hebrews 12:4 In your struggle against sin you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood.

But I have a stronger word for those who wish to live under law. That post coming shortly.
 
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What I did say was that Christians are well-advised to forsake the institutions which do not practice biblical order and The Way.

You pick and choose the statements of mine to use and use them out of context, just like the agitators against Stephen did to get him murdered:

Acts 6:13 ... "This man never ceases to speak words against this holy place and the law;
Acts 6:14 for we have heard him say that this Jesus of Nazareth will destroy this place, and will change the customs which Moses delivered to us."

Wow! Exactly like the truth I’ve been saying! The Holy Place is Jesus Himself! Not a building. And we are joined to Him directly, not through others. And we are not under the Law with all its rules and regulations!

Your entire sense and understanding of Christian fellowship is upside down! Wicked, actually.

You think Pastor D. Zaster is your authority, your leader, and he leads the show! Opposite of what Jesus taught, and the apostles taught. Those who wish to be great must get under and serve all. Not be on top of them!

And in true fellowship, we can all speak and share. What a circus you are involved with is nothing like the Way.

I already wrote that the apostle John wrote this to the saints and explained it to you, but you ignored it:

1 John 2:26 I write this to you about those who would deceive you;
1 John 2:27 but the anointing which you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that any one should teach you; as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie, just as it has taught you, abide in him.

You have no spiritual wisdom, and are incapable of learning. You likewise accuse Jesus of being a hypocrite because it was Jesus who advised vetting, not me:

Matt 7:6 "Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you."

You unwise woman, just like Eve who was deceived.

Every one of my words on this website has been to expound the truth of Christ to everybody and set people free from bondage. I’m expounding The Way, clearly showing how the people have been deceived thinking that what they practice is in agreement with the gospel of Christ, when it is not.

You are duped and the deceivers you submit yourselves to are alike going to fall into a pit.

The fellowship of the saints is a beautiful thing, but man-made religion and the people who attend to it participate in a lie of the devil.

You refused to answer my question because you knew it would demonstrate that you are living a lie:

You cannot claim to live under the covenant of Grace, while at the same time practicing legalism, i.e.:

"You must be at our building, or any building, at least once a week to sit as an audience member to what I have to inform you of!"; “And you must tithe to keep this ‘great work of God’ going forward!”; “And you must submit to the things we tell you at various times, in order that there be order and not chaos”; “You should sing the songs our chosen music leader has for us to sing, because it demonstrates a unity of us all!”; “You must not forsake assembling with us because then you will be violating a law laid down in the New Testament!”; and a thousand and one other lies against the truth.

And Paul did in fact address what I said, and not what you think when he wrote,

Col 2:18 Let no one disqualify you, insisting on self-abasement and worship of angels, taking his stand on visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind (not the mind of Christ),
Col 2:19 and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God (God causes the growth, not man!).
Col 2:20 If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the universe, why do you live as if you still belonged to the world? Why do you submit to regulations,
Col 2:21 "Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch"
Col 2:22 referring to things which all perish as they are used, according to human precepts and doctrines?
Col 2:23 These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting rigor of devotion and self-abasement and severity to the body, but they are of no value only serving to indulge the flesh.

Jesus died to set the captives free (and that's what I've been attempting to do with you and others), but you willingly want to be a slave to a system and all that that entails.

Jesus gives LIFE to all who come to Him and you do not need to go through anybody else to get that Life, but you participate in a devilish trap, and are brainwashed to keep that thing alive, by human effort.

But True fellowship among the brethren is beautiful, because Jesus is there, presiding. All can speak and share Christ. If you had ever experienced it, you would be filled with joy and accept no substitute.

And isn't it interesting that "Wherever 2 or 3 are gathered together IN MY NAME, there I Am in the midst of them".

That's not 2 or 3 Christians who happen to get lunch together. His Name carries everything with it. He is God. He is Head. He leads, and the brethren should fear and tremble not to offend Him.

And the ridiculous idea that singing selected songs with everybody else is the definition of worship is more nonsense. Sure, the brethren can sing songs together if they wish, but that is not what the bible calls worship. This is worship:

Romans 12:1 I appeal to you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.

You want to understand serving? Do you think the apostle Paul is a good example of a good servant? Well then read the entirety of 2 Corinthians 11, but let me pull this verse out since it pertains to you:

2 Cor 11:19 For you gladly bear with fools, being wise yourselves!
2 Cor 11:20 For you bear it if a man makes slaves of you, or preys upon you, or takes advantage of you, or puts on airs, or strikes you in the face.

And how indignant he was at the false teachers (v.28, 29) and had constant anxiety over the churches because it had been foretold that wolves would come in and do damage.

Paul said he was a better servant of Christ for them, and listed the reasons why (verses 21-33). It was NOT because Paul exalted himself over others, but served them in the most loving and serious manner. Go on!... read those verses 21 thru 33.

LASTLY, you wish to exchange the grace of Jesus who died for you and all, to be enslaved to a system, and beat me and others over the head with "Do not neglect the assembling of the brethren".

Well you people that wish to support legalism, heed the words that come right after that v.25 that you use to lay a guilt trip on people because they don't participate in sinful, man-made religion:

Heb 10:26 For if we sin deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 but a fearful prospect of judgment, and a fury of fire which will consume the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 A man who has violated the law of Moses dies without mercy at the testimony of two or three witnesses.
Heb 10:29 How much worse punishment do you think will be deserved by the man who has spurned the Son of God, and profaned the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified, and outraged the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him who said, "Vengeance is mine, I will repay." And again, "The Lord will judge his people."
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

You have outraged the Spirit of grace.

Repent
 
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In the parable of Sower who sowed some seed (Matthew 13:3-9), some seed fell along the path and the birds came and devoured them.

A little later Jesus explains the parable, and we learn this:

Matt 13:19 When any one hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what is sown in his heart; this is what was sown along the path.

So Jesus explains the words of His parables to the disciples.

We have now learned that "birds" is a metaphor for the evil one.

Did you get that? Birds are the evil one.

And just for the fun of it, remember when Abraham was offering up the sacrifice and cut the carcass in half and he had to drive away the birds of prey that had come down on the sacrifice (Genesis 15:11) to interfere with that holy activity?

Then Jesus gives another parable:

Matt 13:31 Another parable he put before them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven is like a grain of mustard seed which a man took and sowed in his field;
Matt 13:32 it is the smallest of all seeds, but when it has grown it is the greatest of shrubs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and make nests in its branches."

So what do you think this parable is conveying?

And how does a bush (shrubbery) turn into a tree???

Or how about this one:

Matt 13:33 He told them another parable.
"The kingdom of heaven is like leaven which a woman took and hid in three measures of flour, till it was all leavened."

Here's one clue:

1Co 5:6 Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Cleanse out the old leaven that you may be a new lump, as you really are unleavened. For Christ, our paschal lamb, has been sacrificed.
1Co 5:8 Let us, therefore, celebrate the festival, not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

So what is this parable conveying? What do you think the "flour" in that parable represents?


Are you all paying attention???? LISTEN UP!
 
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NewMusic: I'm enjoying watching you interact with and getting familiarized with our eclectic family of members.
Try not to blow a fuse, eh?
I've found the motto "Forgive, bless, love," to be of immense value in keeping my heart right before the Lord.
Prayers like, "Lord, You led me here...I thought You liked me!" may be common!
If you don't have a sense of humor around here, you'd better get one...quick! Lol
 

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We go to church not just for what we get out of it.

May I point something out to you? It happens to be in agreement with everything else I have written here.

Even grammatically, you can see the error that has been institutionalized and pretends to be of Christ.

When you ask somebody, "Where do you go to ___________ ?" the word following the preposition "to" must be a verb.

Where do you go to play?
Where do you go to work?
Where do you go to exercise?

Where do you go to _ _ _ _ church????

Church is a noun. The church, which is His body. That does not even make any sense.

So even grammatically, you have a clue that something is wrong in this type of thinking.

And if you handle language correctly, it helps to clarify things.

When people realize that THEY are the Lord's Body, that light will shine into them and start to clear up all types of mistakes.
 

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And the 5-fold ministry. What about this?

Let's start with this. Every word of this is important:

Matt 23:1 Then said Jesus to the crowds and to his disciples,
Matt 23:2 "The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses' seat;
Matt 23:3 so practice and observe whatever they tell you, but not what they do; for they preach, but do not practice.
Matt 23:4 They bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with their finger.
Matt 23:5 They do all their deeds to be seen by men; for they make their phylacteries broad and their fringes long,
Matt 23:6 and they love the place of honor at feasts and the best seats in the synagogues,
Matt 23:7 and salutations in the market places, and being called rabbi by men.
Matt 23:8 But you are not to be called rabbi, for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren.
Matt 23:9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.
Matt 23:10 Neither be called masters, for you have one master, the Christ.
Matt 23:11 He who is greatest among you shall be your servant;


So let me add some other titles in there, while we're at it.

But you are not to be called rabbi (teacher), or father, or pastor, or reverand, or prophet, or professor, or doctor, or parson, or rector, or priest, or vicar, or shepherd.

Men LOVE titles and to be esteemed by other men. And they do all their works to be seen by other men. They love the praise and acknowledgements. And they absolutely adore it when their pawns speak so reverently about them and acknowledge them as "Oh my pastor is wonderful. You really need to listen to him!"

We are all sinners, and brethren. And IF we are fortunate enough to come into our Lord's Kingdom, we should say to ourselves and have this attitude:

Luke 17:10 So you also, when you have done all that is commanded you, say, 'We are unworthy servants; we have only done what was our duty.'"

So what of prophets, teachers, evangelists, etc.?

These are not titles. Well then what are they?

FUNCTIONS

We are each a member of Christ's body, and God has given gifts for the building up of His body.

They serve a function. The same way the heart, liver, kidney, red and white blood cells, hands, feet, toes, serve functions. But the devil has appealed to "religious" men to disperse more weeds in to the Lord's work. To add some leaven into the gospel of Christ.

And repeating, if God has called you to serve His body in a great way, it's going to mean you SERVE in a great way. You get under people. You lift them up. You correct them so they are not hindered from Jesus in any way. You LABOR over them.

But in the establishment, it's reversed. The sheep labor over their "pastors", etc.

Matr 20:25 But Jesus called them to him and said, "You know that the rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their great men exercise authority over them.
Mart 20:26 It shall not be so among you; but whoever would be great among you must be your servant,
Mart 20:27 and whoever would be first among you must be your slave;
Matt 20:28 even as the Son of man came not to be served but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."
 

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So what of prophets, teachers, evangelists, etc.? These are not titles. Well then what are they? FUNCTIONS
There's nothing wrong with calling them "functions" but the important thing to remember is that they are spiritual gifts given for the edification of the saints (Ephesians 4). However we need to note a few things here:

1. Paul places those spiritual gifts in the order of their importance: And he gave some, [1] apostles; and some, [2] prophets; and some, [3] evangelists; and some, [4] pastors and [5] teachers; For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Therefore we have:
1. First Apostles
2. Then Prophets
3. Then Evangelists
4. Then Pastors
5. Then Teachers

2. This is spiritual "logic" since Christ commissioned the apostles to preach the Gospel and establish churches. He also gave them "apostolic authority" over the churches. When they passed away, that was the end of the apostles. Thus we have "the twelve apostles of the Lamb" (with Judas excluded and Paul included).

3. While the apostles were on earth and the Bible was incomplete, there were also prophets in the churches. Paul made it clear that prophesy was far superior to tongues, and that he would rather speak five words of prophecy than 10,000 words in tongues.

4. Once the book of Revelation was completed and placed within the NT canon, that was the end of prophets. John (the apostle/prophet) put a warning at the end of this book regarding any additions to prophecies.

5. Therefore there is no so-called "Five-Fold Ministry" today. God now provides (1) evangelists to preach the Gospel and bring sinners to the Savior, (2) pastors to shepherd the flocks of believers (which is not really happening as it should), and (3) teachers to expound the Word of God and teach sound Bible doctrine (which is getting rarer every day).

5. Since Christ strictly forbade His disciples to take on any kind of religious titles, the men who are given these gifts are simply to be addressed as "brothers". The titles originated in the Catholic Church and continued in the Protestant churches.

6. Since God required a plurality of elders in each church as the shepherds and overseers, it would follow that these men would also have those spiritual gifts (as well as others listed elsewhere). So "pastor" is the spiritual gift of shepherding, but no church was supposed to have a single pastor. The elders were the shepherds, among whom some would have the spiritual gift of shepherding, while others had other gifts.
 
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@NewMusic you are a wise man, I stopped going to church a decade ago, only when a family member gets married do I enter a Church.

I'm in a dilemma right now as I want to marry my Girlfriend, I have to get the marriage license of course which is only good for three days after you get it, and then I have to have an ordained minister perform the marriage ceremony, because of this covid thing the town hall is closed off to the public and I can't have the Justice of the Peace or Judge marry us, so what does a person do in a situation like this, because if you don't belong to a Church you can't just walk in and say to the Pastor I want to get married, you have be a member of that church or you can go to the Catholic Church and first pay to do the marriage classes that take a year before they even allow you to get married.

So what does a person do in a situation like this?
 

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@NewMusic you are a wise man, I stopped going to church a decade ago, only when a family member gets married do I enter a Church.

I'm in a dilemma right now as I want to marry my Girlfriend, I have to get the marriage license of course which is only good for three days after you get it, and then I have to have an ordained minister perform the marriage ceremony, because of this covid thing the town hall is closed off to the public and I can't have the Justice of the Peace or Judge marry us, so what does a person do in a situation like this, because if you don't belong to a Church you can't just walk in and say to the Pastor I want to get married, you have be a member of that church or you can go to the Catholic Church and first pay to do the marriage classes that take a year before they even allow you to get married.

So what does a person do in a situation like this?

You need to find a brother who is also licensed with your state. He can then marry you wherever you like. I had a personal Christian friend who was also anti-institution, and licensed with the state of Missouri to perform marriages. My sister's friend who is a Baptist spoke with the pastor and they allowed us to use their facility. But we could have done the marriage in a backyard of somebody's house, it really does not matter.

So I suggest you run an ad in your township newspapers looking for a brother in Christ who is ALSO licensed in your state to perform marriages, in order to marry you, and include any specifics you might also want, and see if your phone rings, or get Emails. You may get one, or more than one. Interview the guys and tell them, "I like what you say, but I have one more guy who has responded to interview. I can get back to you in 3 or 4 days." or something like that.

You might also try to run an ad on Craigslist.

And maybe find some Christian groups in the city you live in who use Facebook that may gain you access to saints who correspond for various reasons in your town, and you can type the same request on there. Your post to the group would be something like "Looking for a brother in Christ who is licensed to perform marriage for me and my fiance".

Facebook is used by businesses and groups and announcements for functions, and you could simply "google" the search and include Facebook in the search parameters, and if you are on Facebook you can use their own search for Christian groups in your town. You might be surprised how many possibilities show up. Then join those groups, if necessary, in order to post your request.

When using the built-in Facebook search, search "Christian groups 'my town' ".

Those people might also know persons to put you in contact with.

Whoever you find, keep in mind you'll need to pay him something.

EDIT: Y'know, you don't really have to find a brother to do the marriage, although that would probably be preferable. So you can modify your search parameters to give you more success, or what your put in the newspaper ad, if it does not matter to you.
 
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You need to find a brother who is also ordained. He can then marry you wherever you like. I had a personal Christian friend who was also anti-institution, and licensed with the state of Missouri to perform marriages. My sister's friend who is a Baptist spoke with the pastor and they allowed us to use their facility. But we could have done the marriage in a backyard of somebody's house, it really does not matter.

So I suggest you run an ad in your township newspapers looking for a brother in Christ who is ALSO licensed in your state to perform marriages, in order to marry you, and include any specifics you might also want, and see if your phone rings, or get Emails. You may get one, or more than one. Interview the guys and tell them, "I like what you say, but I have one more guy who has responded to interview. I can get back to you in 3 or 4 days." or something like that.

You might also try to run an ad on Craigslist.

And maybe find some Christian groups in the city you live in who use Facebook that may gain you access to saints who correspond for various reasons in your town, and you can type the same request on there. Your post to the group would be something like "Looking for an ordained brother in Christ to perform marriage for me and my fiance".

Facebook is used by businesses and groups and announcements for functions, and you could simply "google" the search and include Facebook in the search parameters, and if you are on Facebook you can use their own search for Christian groups in your town. You might be surprised how many possibilities show up. Then join those groups, if necessary, in order to post your request.

When using the built-in Facebook search, search "Christian groups 'my town' ".

Those people might also know persons to put you in contact with.

Whoever you find, keep in mind you'll need to pay him something.

EDIT: Y'know, you don't really have to find a brother to do the marriage, although that would probably be preferable. So you can modify your search parameters to give you more success, or what your put in the newspaper ad, if it does not matter to you.
Thank you for your advice, I will try and look, I don’t use Facebook, so I’ll have to find another means.
 

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May I point something out to you? It happens to be in agreement with everything else I have written here.

Even grammatically, you can see the error that has been institutionalized and pretends to be of Christ.

When you ask somebody, "Where do you go to ___________ ?" the word following the preposition "to" must be a verb.

Where do you go to play?
Where do you go to work?
Where do you go to exercise?

Where do you go to _ _ _ _ church????

Church is a noun. The church, which is His body. That does not even make any sense.

So even grammatically, you have a clue that something is wrong in this type of thinking.

And if you handle language correctly, it helps to clarify things.

When people realize that THEY are the Lord's Body, that light will shine into them and start to clear up all types of mistakes.

Yes clearing up mistakes a great idea.
Church whether one means a building or an organisation, or an assemble of Christians or the whole of creations Christians, living and dead is a word.

You are assuming that church has to mean the later definition, but to assume that is incorrect.
Church is all I listed.


Christians are not isolationists, but people who live in the world and are part of a community both a spiritual community as well as the ordinary world where we work and live etc.

Jesus promised that where two or three are gathered together there his spirit would be.
There was no qualifing clauses about being theologically correct or active or anything, just be together.

Paul urges Christians to meet together regularly for the benefit to themselves but also for others.
 

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But if any have ears, the saints are actually human beings, and we are the target of the NWO. We are going to be hunted down and eliminated. If you don't believe this, well, read another thread. But if you are at least semi-interested in helping the saints to endure, escape from their country or city, we should be building a very practical network which requires wise men and women and resources.
Other than having faith in Christ, that our spirits our safe, that we have eternal life, what are you worried about? Satan cannot snatch you out of the Father's hand. Satan can kill the body but cannot take your spirit. Many will die during the Great Tribulation, many will suffer, but our faith will endure. It won't last long, a couple more years and we either die and go to heaven or we get raptured. So are you concerned about your body, are you trying to get people together to run and hide to protect their bodies?
That said, I dont want to be tortured, but I might be. If I get captured by Muslim terrorists who want to chop my head off, I will ask if I can sharper the blade so it will be quick. Prior to that moment, I won't afraid, I won't crying, I'll be singing and happy, thinking that in a few moments I will be with the Lord. I am not saying I'm just going to lay down and take it without a fight. Evil will need to be restrained in any way we can and actually that is what the Restrainer does. God ordains everyones life and death and so how I go will be up to Him. We are and will be persecuted till the end.
I have no hope in organized religious churches. None
GOD IS SOVEREIGN. HE is in control of our present and future. He ordained His Church, the Body of Christ composed now of 2.65 billion Christians. His plan is perfect and He is right on track and schedule. All those who are written in the Book of Life will be accounted for.
Your lack of hope in apparently any "Church" is a lack of faith in God.
So you are scurrying around to form your own faction to what, run and hide ... "Hurry before it's too late."
We all wait for the day when we get rid of our earthly bodies and get a new one - praise God.
 
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This life is a passing mist...yeah, if that blade is sharp, I really can't think of a more humane way to go!
This fellowship keeps me company. Thank You, Lord!
 

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This life is a passing mist...yeah, if that blade is sharp, I really can't think of a more humane way to go!
This fellowship keeps me company. Thank You, Lord!
Like that final scene in Braveheart, when Mel Gibson had a choice to live or die - he chose death ... FREEDOM, he shouted as his head was chopped off.
 

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Like that final scene in Braveheart, when Mel Gibson had a choice to live or die - he chose death ... FREEDOM, he shouted as his head was chopped off.
Free at last! Hallelujah!
The low-lifes: "We're going to kill you!"
Me: "Go ahead, make my day!"
The added bonus would be that I wouldn't have to look at them anymore! :)
 
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May I point something out to you? It happens to be in agreement with everything else I have written here.

Even grammatically, you can see the error that has been institutionalized and pretends to be of Christ.

When you ask somebody, "Where do you go to ___________ ?" the word following the preposition "to" must be a verb.

Where do you go to play?
Where do you go to work?
Where do you go to exercise?

Where do you go to _ _ _ _ church????

Church is a noun. The church, which is His body. That does not even make any sense.

So even grammatically, you have a clue that something is wrong in this type of thinking.

And if you handle language correctly, it helps to clarify things.

When people realize that THEY are the Lord's Body, that light will shine into them and start to clear up all types of mistakes.
I'm sorry to say I can't read, in entirety, your full posts.

I would like to ask you this:
Did Jesus intend to build a church in stone?

When He gave the Apostles the great commission in Matthew 28, what did He mean to do?

Thanks.
 

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I'm sorry to say I can't read, in entirety, your full posts.

I would like to ask you this:
Did Jesus intend to build a church in stone?

When He gave the Apostles the great commission in Matthew 28, what did He mean to do?

Thanks.

Jesus did NOT intend for anybody to make buildings of stone, or any other material for that matter.

If your read 1 Corinthians 12, especially verses 12 thru 27, you learn that Jesus' Body consists of the people who belong to Him. That we are each an individual member of Him. We are each connected to Jesus, directly. That is, anybody who is truly born again, which means born anew of God's Spirit.

Jesus' Body is a Spiritual body. And the saints, no matter where their physical location, are members of His one Body.

Where some confusion seems to have entered in is where the bible mentions the "churches", plural. But it's really so simple. That's just a manner of speaking of the collection of saints in various cities. The church of Corinth means the Christians who are in Corinth. The church of Ephesus means the saints who are in the city of Ephesus. Nothing more.
 
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