The GREAT TRIBULATION Has Begun!

Abaxvahl said:

You will never again see me break my toenail on the street in the rain again, never was done before (me doing it, there, in the rain, at that time, in that place, by me specifically) and never will be seen again. Perhaps this was the Great Tribulation.

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Well, we first need to examine the likeness of the ten toes of the statue in Nebuchnezzar's dream with one of yours. IF we see a likeness, THAT would be a significant sign of the Great Tribulation and YOU will have some splainin to do! We'll be in touch.

Ronald Nolette said:

Well I won't hit on the pre trib rapture, but answer as you write.

The Pope cannot be the antichrist. or the first rider! The first rider is not given a diadem but a stephanos (victors corwn) going out ot conquer. The Pope leads no army and has yet gone out militarily to conquer. This rider is a military/political leader not just a religious leader. Now if the pope grabs an army then He can be in the running for teh antichrist. (Alsdo as Daniel 9 shows, the antichrist starts teh tribulation when He signs a 7 year covenant with Israel, this hasn't happened yet)

The second horse? well we have had wars in most of the history of nations. But the two world wars come close to (close byut not fulfilled) fulfilling this prophecy. This is war encompassing all the inhabited continents and it will be very violent and bloody. As I like Scripture ti interpret its symbols, I sewe this as the antrichrist (rider on white horse) going out to war against the ten horns of Daniel and conqquering three and wreaking war globally as these ten kings rule the world. NAtrural result of large wars is the third and fourth horsemen. Faminie and edeath.

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The pope is AN anti christ , but there are many anti Christs , even now whereby we know it is the last time .
The pope seems to be more like the FP if anything . Though all i know for sure is he is A false prophet .
There are so many false prophets and anti christs , who knows WHO is gonna be the actual one .
But this i do know , WE RUNNING OUT OF TIME . We are for sure and for certain in the last days . My advice
is folks better RUN TO CHRIST and quickly , WHILE THERE STILL BE TIME TO DO SO .
A nasty strong delusion has already began . We must be on gaurd and be diligent . Pointing always to the biblical JESUS
and all sound pure and holy doctrine by which to edify one another and others . For these be the most deceptive times
and only worse will it get , worse will the seducers and decievers get . CLING TO CHRIST and have NO HOPE in the world
HOPE ONLY in the LORD . HE is with the lambs no matter what comes against us and HE shall console us no matter what we suffer through .

GEN2REV said:

It's not lost on me that you have a specific answer 'cocked-back' and ready to toss on me when I give you what you consider to be the wrong answer.

I'm not God and I'm not currently in a prophetic trance, but I can give you my best guess based on The Word.

Every case is unique, we all have a very special relationship with God, based on our entire lives and His purposes/plans for us.

"The righteous man shall live by his faith."
Habakkuk 2:4; Romans 1:17; Galatians 3:11; Hebrews 10:38

So, I'd say if you're striving to walk righteously, in God's (Jesus') Way, and you are living by faith (trusting God completely for each and every need in your life) and praying for God to guide you and guard you throughout all things to come, then you probably have a pretty good chance of not drinking of the cup of the wine of God's Wrath intended for all those who loveth and maketh a lie.

On the other hand, if it is not God's will for you to survive the chaos to come, and He decides you need a bit more purification before being allowed into His Kingdom, you will have to endure whatever comes and trust Him anyway.

Having said all that, this thread is not about the Wrath of God. It is about the Great Tribulation that will inaugurate that.

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A simple answer is that God's wrath is within the Seven Bowls. We are taken out at the last trumpet (#7) which happens to release the bowls.

K9Buck said:

I went to fry some eggs this morning and broke one of the yolks. It was then that I realized that the tribulation had begun!

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No, no, no, this is very common among those who are unequally yoked.

I think some of you folks have no idea what is going to happen during the Great Tribulation.
If you knew, the heading of this thread would not say: "The Great Tribulation has begon".

GEN2REV said:

Do you ever use scripture to support your wild claims and refutations?

Paul tells us that Prophesy is for the purpose of edifying (teaching), exhorting (encouraging) and comforting.
1 Corinthians 14:3
The object is to use scripture to define/explain scripture. We use the Bible to interpret Prophesy.
If you say so.
If you believe this, you'll be waiting quite a while to see much of what Prophesy describes taking place in the end times.

Give us a shout when you spot the Whore.

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If your going to take paul you better take him with What God said about prophesy in the OT.

Because that is how prophecy teaches.

As for the harlot.

Everything about her and what God said will happen to her will literally come to pass.

If Not. Prophecy is meaningless. Because God lied.

Prophesy is for the people living in the time the prophecy comes true

Jesus took the scroll and read from the prophet. And said to them. Today is that day.

He stopped short. Because everything past that prophecy has yet to happen But it shows that if the first part literally came true, the rest of it should also.

amigo de christo said:

The pope is AN anti christ , but there are many anti Christs , even now whereby we know it is the last time .
The pope seems to be more like the FP if anything . Though all i know for sure is he is A false prophet .
There are so many false prophets and anti christs , who knows WHO is gonna be the actual one .
But this i do know , WE RUNNING OUT OF TIME . We are for sure and for certain in the last days . My advice
is folks better RUN TO CHRIST and quickly , WHILE THERE STILL BE TIME TO DO SO .
A nasty strong delusion has already began . We must be on gaurd and be diligent . Pointing always to the biblical JESUS
and all sound pure and holy doctrine by which to edify one another and others . For these be the most deceptive times
and only worse will it get , worse will the seducers and decievers get . CLING TO CHRIST and have NO HOPE in the world
HOPE ONLY in the LORD . HE is with the lambs no matter what comes against us and HE shall console us no matter what we suffer through .

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Sing it out brother. You are spot on.
Praise the glorious biblical Lord Jesus. Into those KJV Bibles everyone.

Marvelloustime said:

Sing it out brother. You are spot on.
Praise the glorious biblical Lord Jesus. Into those KJV Bibles everyone.

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Thats right sister . Sound it out and as david once did , let us dance a jig of praise unto the glorious Lord .

GEN2REV said:

Do tell.

If possible, use scripture.

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The tribulation is a future seven-year period of time when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world.

The church, made up of all who have trusted in the person and work of the Lord Jesus to save them from being punished for sin, will not be present during the tribulation.

The church will be removed from the earth in an event known as the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). The church is saved from the wrath to come (1 Thessalonians 5:9).

Throughout Scripture, the tribulation is referred to by other names such as the Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6-9; Joel 1:15; 2:1-31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2); trouble or tribulation (Deuteronomy 4:30; Zephaniah 1:1); the great tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the seven-year period (Matthew 24:21); time or day of trouble (Daniel 12:1; Zephaniah 1:15); time of Jacob’s trouble (Jeremiah 30:7).

Scripture included as you requested.

Triumph1300 said:

I think some of you folks have no idea what is going to happen during the Great Tribulation.
If you knew, the heading of this thread would not say: "The Great Tribulation has begon".

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Are you serious, I can assure you that the Re-fribulator has arrived!

Triumph1300 said:

The tribulation is a future seven-year period of time when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world.

The church, made up of all who have trusted in the person and work of the Lord Jesus to save them from being punished for sin, will not be present during the tribulation.

The church will be removed from the earth in an event known as the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). The church is saved from the wrath to come (1 Thessalonians 5:9).

Throughout Scripture, the tribulation is referred to by other names such as the Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6-9; Joel 1:15; 2:1-31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2); trouble or tribulation (Deuteronomy 4:30; Zephaniah 1:1); the great tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the seven-year period (Matthew 24:21); time or day of trouble (Daniel 12:1; Zephaniah 1:15); time of Jacob’s trouble (Jeremiah 30:7).

Scripture included as you requested.

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That's a Pre-Trib view and one that I would prefer - really. But I think the Church will have to suffer through some of it. I lean towards a Mid-Trib/Pre-wrath view. A great multitude - that no one can number clothed in white comes _out_ of _ the great tribulation (Rev. 7-9-13) and then it still continues.
The Pre-Tribbers hold onto a key point that holds this view together, the mysterious "last trumpet". If it was the last then seven trumpets would not follow, it would be after the seven trumpets. If it was an entirely different last trumpet sound it would be in a series, or the last of all time. Some suggest that it is the last trumpet of the many blown during the Feast of Trumpets just prior to Yom Kippur. Those are blown by man, not angels. This last trumpet is blown by an angel, the seventh angel holding the seventh trumpet. There is also much tied to this Pre-trib, the 70th year of Daniel Gap theory, a 7- year Peace Treaty and the fact that nothing precedes the rapture. So if you are a Pre-Tribber, you would be adament about the Great Tribulation starting before you are taken out. If you are very steeped in this view, you will resist and wrestle with any suggestion that the GT has started - because it would completely over-turn you whole view. If a One World Government has taken over and planned this Pandemic with lockdowns, a worldwide economic collapse, bio-weapon vaccine to depopulate the world and you see within the next year hundreds of millions die and then of course a nuclear war involving many nations in the Middle East, will you still hold this view? Maybe it will take billions of deaths ... or maybe a world-wide earthquake that topples all buildings ...?

GEN2REV said:

I see. Ok.

So you read the Title of the thread and commented on that, but never even read the first post (OP - original post).

Gotcha.

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There is no reason for your sarcastic response.
If you can't say anything decent I suggest you say nothing.

You asked.
I spend time to answer.

No decent response.

You wasted my time.

GEN2REV said:

Thanks. And I can say the same to you. If you came here with a bone to pick already, I've got a suggestion for you as well.

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I have been on this forum for a long time.
The regulars know that I am not here to pick bones.

You continue as you like.

Triumph1300 said:

The tribulation is a future seven-year period of time when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world.

The church, made up of all who have trusted in the person and work of the Lord Jesus to save them from being punished for sin, will not be present during the tribulation.

The church will be removed from the earth in an event known as the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). The church is saved from the wrath to come (1 Thessalonians 5:9).

Throughout Scripture, the tribulation is referred to by other names such as the Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6-9; Joel 1:15; 2:1-31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2); trouble or tribulation (Deuteronomy 4:30; Zephaniah 1:1); the great tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the seven-year period (Matthew 24:21); time or day of trouble (Daniel 12:1; Zephaniah 1:15); time of Jacob’s trouble (Jeremiah 30:7).

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Amen, Excellent Explanation, Re-Confirmed With "Right Division" below...

Ronald David Bruno said:

That's a Pre-Trib view and one that I would prefer - really.

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Precious friend, will the following help Confirm what you would Really Prefer"?:

The tribulation is a future seven-year period of time when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world.

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!”:


The church, made up of all who have trusted in the person and work of the Lord Jesus to save them from being punished for sin, will not be present during the tribulation.

The church will be removed from the earth in an event known as the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). The church is saved from the wrath to come (1 Thessalonians 5:9).


Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!”:


{DARKNESS} Day Of The LORD = Time of JACOB's {ISRAEL's} Trouble {Woe!}:

Throughout Scripture, the tribulation is referred to by other names such as The Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6-9; Joel 1:15; 2:1-31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2); trouble or tribulation (Deuteronomy 4:30; Zephaniah 1:1); the great tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the seven-year period (Matthew 24:21); time or day of trouble (Daniel 12:1; Zephaniah 1:15); time of Jacob’s trouble (Jeremiah 30:7).

Conclusion:
WHY would GRACE "saints of Light" Desire what the OT/Law prophet, Amos asks ISRAEL, in:

Amos 5:18: "WOE unto you that desire The Day Of The LORD! To what end
is it for you? The Day Of The LORD is DARKNESS, and not Light."?

We should Rather:
PRAISE God For HIS Amazing GRACE {Light!}, In HIS Context Today, Correct?
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Additional study for Confirmation of "Distinctions Of God's TWO Different
Programs are available here:
God's Approval/TWO Gospels In Prophecy vs Mystery
"Distinctions" of Prophecy vs MYSTERY

Or: "Things That Differ!"

Please Be Richly:
Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST!

GRACE ambassador said:

Amen, Excellent Explanation, Re-Confirmed With "Right Division" below...

Precious friend, will the following help Confirm what you would Really Prefer"?:

The tribulation is a future seven-year period of time when God will finish His discipline of Israel and finalize His judgment of the unbelieving world.

This future "prophetic" tribulation Belongs In God's {Currently On Hold!}
Context of:

Prophecy/Law For "ISRAEL And the nations," under the continuation of
the gospel of the kingdom, and, must Not Be Confused with, but Must Be:​

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!”:

MYSTERY/{Gospel Of} GRACE to Individual "members" Of The Body Of
CHRIST {who, BTW, have Already had tribulation for nigh on 2000 Years Now}!

In God's Other Context!: ​

The church, made up of all who have trusted in the person and work of the Lord Jesus to save them from being punished for sin, will not be present during the tribulation.

The church will be removed from the earth in an event known as the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 1 Corinthians 15:51-53). The church is saved from the wrath to come (1 Thessalonians 5:9).

Yes, This Imminent Event, Which Is The Day Of CHRIST,
(2 Thessalonians 2:2), A Day of Light, Concludes God's
Revelation Of The MYSTERY/GRACE Program, In Order For...​

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!”:

...God to Resume His {Currently On Hold!} Prophetic Program, In The:​

{DARKNESS} Day Of The LORD = Time of JACOB's {ISRAEL's} Trouble {Woe!}:

Throughout Scripture, the tribulation is referred to by other names such as The Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12; 13:6-9; Joel 1:15; 2:1-31; 3:14; 1 Thessalonians 5:2); trouble or tribulation (Deuteronomy 4:30; Zephaniah 1:1); the great tribulation, which refers to the more intense second half of the seven-year period (Matthew 24:21); time or day of trouble (Daniel 12:1; Zephaniah 1:15); time of Jacob’s trouble (Jeremiah 30:7).

Conclusion:
WHY would GRACE "saints of Light" Desire what the OT/Law prophet, Amos asks ISRAEL, in:

Amos 5:18: "WOE unto you that desire The Day Of The LORD! To what end
is it for you? The Day Of The LORD is DARKNESS, and not Light."?

We should Rather:
PRAISE God For HIS Amazing GRACE {Light!}, In HIS Context Today, Correct?
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Additional study for Confirmation of "Distinctions Of God's TWO Different
Programs are available here:
God's Approval/TWO Gospels In Prophecy vs Mystery
"Distinctions" of Prophecy vs MYSTERY

Or: "Things That Differ!"

Please Be Richly:
Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST!

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Not very compelling. There is nothing of substance before the Day of the Lord argument and that happens to support the Mid-Trib view. The Day of the Lord is most likely announced at the last trumpet (#7), the day He arrives and takes us home. The Mystery is also revealed at that time which partly is His identity since every eye will see Him, at this time the Jews realjze this and will mourn and also we will enter that heavenly realm and find out what we will be like when we receive our new resurrected bodies. Still more things happen in Rev. 11:15-19. Heaven is open, the kingdoms of the world become our Lord's, we receive rewards, and His wrath in the seven bowls is released ( which btw we will not have to endure).

Abaxvahl said:

Every event is by definition unique, so every suffering there is is unlike anything the world has ever or will ever see. You will never again see me break my toenail on the street in the rain again, never was done before (me doing it, there, in the rain, at that time, in that place, by me specifically) and never will be seen again. Perhaps this was the Great Tribulation.

The point is you have eisegeted better than Valentinus about Romans into Revelation. Frankly, with the persecution of the Church in Russia during the last centuries in which many, many millions of Christians were killed, I'm surprised you don't think that's the "Second Seal." Really the whole 20th century was in fact the Great Tribulation and all the Seals. Everything bad that could've happened did happen.

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You may come to realize you'll only be mocked or called names if you continue to demonstrate an intellect higher than what is below average here.