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Mary is the mother of God!

Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Lk 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

so the Lord is the Lord God almighty!

Proving the divinity of Jesus Christ!


Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the glory of God and Christ, co Mary and the saints are what God made them, it is His handiwork (Lk 1:49 Lk 1:28) and the graces they have come from the merits of Christ’s passion and death

Likewise an Attack on Mary and the saints, or the authority of the apostles or the church or rejection of such doctrines is and attack on God and on Christ!
Acts 9:4 Eph 5:32
 

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Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come
to me?

The Greek word translated "lord" is somewhat ambiguous. It refers to just
about anybody and/or anything regarded as one's superior.

For example; the very same word is used at 1Pet 3:6 where Sarah is
said to have spoken of Abraham as her lord. And also at Matt 6:24 where
two lords are spoken of; and one is money. There are quite a few examples
of kurios like that in the New Testament.

In Elizabeth's case, I'm pretty sure the kurios she spoke of was a king
of the Davidic dynasty rather than God-- in point of fact, Mary's son was
predicted just that way..

Luke 1:32-33 . . the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father
David: and he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his
kingdom there shall be no end.
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The Greek word translated "lord" is somewhat ambiguous. It refers to just
about anybody and/or anything regarded as one's superior.

For the example; the very same word is used at 1Pet 3:6 where Sarah is
said to have spoken of Abraham as her lord. And also at Matt 6:24 where
two lords are spoken of; and one is money. There are quite a few examples
of kurios like that in the New Testament.

In Elizabeth's case, I'm pretty sure the kurios she spoke of was a king
of the Davidic dynasty rather than God-- in point of fact, Mary's son was
predicted just that way..

Luke 1:32-33 . . the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father
David: and he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his
kingdom there shall be no end.
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mary only has one child!
Only Jesus can possibly be Elizabeth’s Lord of whom Mary is the mother!
Isa 7:14 matt 1:23

Mary had a little lamb! Jn 1:29
 

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Mary is the mother of God!

Lk 1:43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

Lk 1:26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

so the Lord is the Lord God almighty!

Proving the divinity of Jesus Christ!


Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the glory of God and Christ, co Mary and the saints are what God made them, it is His handiwork (Lk 1:49 Lk 1:28) and the graces they have come from the merits of Christ’s passion and death

Likewise an Attack on Mary and the saints, or the authority of the apostles or the church or rejection of such doctrines is and attack on God and on Christ!
Acts 9:4 Eph 5:32



another thread and you are still wrong! Jesus was God in heaven long before He entered Mary's Womb. Mary did nothitng to nurture His divinity. She carried HIm and contributed to His humanity. Mary has no divinity inherent in her dna and thus cannot be the motrher of God! She is the Mother of Jesus who is God long before Mary was even a twinkle in her Fathers eye!
 
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Mary is the mother of God!
1. Mary is the mother of Jesus of Nazareth, who is the God-Man.
2. God is (1) the Father, (2) the Son, and (3) the Holy Spirit. This is the eternal Godhead.
3. Therefore God has no mother and Mary is a mere mortal.
4. All veneration of Mary is idolatry, and she would be the first to point that out.
 
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There's no denying that Mary is the flesh and blood mother of Jesus, the Christ. The Bible said it, I believe it.

Mary was a faithful Jewish woman, born of 2 Jewish parents, that believed God. She was human being in every way. She was chosen by God to carry His child.

However, I find it sad that Catholics drone over and over "Hail Mary...mother of God...". In my opinion, not only is one revering her as Diety, it's elevating her ABOVE God!

And putting her above God immediately brings to mind what Isaiah wrote so many years ago -

Isaiah 14:12-15 (KJV)
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Further deification of Mary is exemplified by the countless shrines to her both in Catholic churches and peoples' front yards. Every time I see those shrines, I think of the 2nd commandment -

Exodus 20:4 (KJV)
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

How the people of the Catholic church can seemingly 'get away with' ignoring the 2nd commandment is beyond me.
 

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another thread and you are still wrong! Jesus was God in heaven long before He entered Mary's Womb. Mary did nothitng to nurture His divinity. She carried HIm and contributed to His humanity. Mary has no divinity inherent in her dna and thus cannot be the motrher of God! She is the Mother of Jesus who is God long before Mary was even a twinkle in her Fathers eye!

where did I say Mary was the mother of the divinity?
Or the source or origin of God?

this is about Jesus not mary!

These scriptures prove that Jesus is God, and there are many on this forum who deny it!

Jesus is God, Mary is his mother, so Mary is the mother of God!

Jesus is our salvation, Mary is his mother, so Mary is the mother of our salvation!

Mother of Christ
Mother of the word
Mother of the prince of peace
Mother of divine grace

To deny reality is insanity!
Well put!
 

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1. Mary is the mother of Jesus of Nazareth, who is the God-Man.
2. God is (1) the Father, (2) the Son, and (3) the Holy Spirit. This is the eternal Godhead.
3. Therefore God has no mother and Mary is a mere mortal.
4. All veneration of Mary is idolatry, and she would be the first to point that out.

where did I say Mary was the mother of the divinity?
Or the source or origin of God?

this is about Jesus not mary!

These scriptures prove that Jesus is God, and there are many on this forum who deny it!

Jesus is God, Mary is his mother, so Mary is the mother of God!

Jesus is our salvation, Mary is his mother, so Mary is the mother of our salvation!

Mother of Christ
Mother of the word
Mother of the prince of peace
Mother of divine grace

To deny reality is insanity!

veneration is idolatry?
By what authority do you claim this?
The Bible says
Romans 13:7
Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

Lk 1:48 all generations shall call me blessed!
But you claim it’s idolatry!

Good enough for Angels!
Good enough for the Bible!
Good enough for me!

Hail Mary! Full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women,
Lk 1:28 blessed is the fruit of thy womb, (Jesus) Lk 1:42 Holy Mary, mother of God, Lk 1:43 pray for us sinners, now,
rev 5:8 and at the hour of our death, Matt 24:13 amen!

but you say it’s idolatry????

fundamentalist nonsense!
 

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Biblical Mary, mother of God, ever Virgin, sinless, mother of our salvation!

Mother of God Lk 1:43

Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary!
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity

Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

Spiritual Mother Jn 19:26-27 rev 12:17

Praise of Mary and the saints redounds to the glory of God and Christ, co Mary and the saints are what God made them, it is His handiwork (Lk 1:49 Lk 1:28) and the graces they have come from the merits of Christ’s passion and death

Likewise an Attack on Mary and the saints, or the authority of the apostles or the church or rejection of such doctrines is and attack on God and on Christ!
Acts 9:4 Eph 5:32


A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Matt 1:21 Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation! This reflects the immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!
Lk 1:38 consented to our salvation!

A good tree (immaculate conception) Lk 1:49 God has done this and it is marvelous in our eyes!

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Matt 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Differences in Lk 1

Lk 1:11 And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense.

12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.

13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

18 And Zacharias said unto the angel, Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.


Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

Mary is the Queen of the Angels!

The angel is greeting his sovereign mistress and no introduction is needed with Mary, like verse 19 cos Mary knows Gabriel, Mary from the first moment of her creation by God is immaculate! (And sees the beatific vision of God always before her eyes, even in her mothers womb, op) so she knows Gabriel who stands on the presence of God!

Matt 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.


Mary made worthy in the immaculate conception to receive grace the HS and the savior and our salvation

Notice how Christ died for us!

Romans 5:8
But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

We were not worthy to die for our own salvation!

It’s similar with grace, we are not worthy to receive grace, so God made Mary by the immaculate conception worthy to receive all grace for us, and worthy to miraculously conceive of the Holy Spirit and to give birth to our savior and worthy to receive our salvation!

Lk 1:28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, Mary full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

Lk 1:30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

Lk 2:30 I have seen my salvation.

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

This applies to Mary not by nature but by the power and will of God!


Mediatrix does not make Mary the mediator or violate 1 Tim 2:5
Anyone who is in the communion of saints is in union and may pray and make intercession for one another! Rev 5:8
All graces come by Jesus Christ Jn 1:16-17 and Jesus came thru Mary,
matt 1:23 so all graces come thru Mary!
Mary is full of grace the throne of divine grace! Heb 4:16
All generations shall call me blessed!
Lk 1:48

Blessed be the great Mother of God, Mary most Holy.
Blessed be her Holy and Immaculate Conception.
Blessed be her Glorious Assumption.
Blessed be the name of Mary, ever Virgin and Mother.

Blessed be God in His Angels and in His Saints. Amen.

Praise of Mary & the saints ends in God!
All merits, graces, and virtues of Mary come from God & Christ!

1 Corinthians 4:7
For who maketh thee to differ from another? and what hast thou that thou didst not receive? now if thou didst receive it, why dost thou glory, as if thou hadst not received it?

2 Thessalonians 1:10
When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe…

No one believed more than Mary! Lk 1:45

Co-redemptrix
Eve a Virgin by the communication of a fallen angel cooperated in the fall of man, the first Adam, gen 3 and it is fitting that Mary a Virgin by the communication of a good angel should cooperate in the redemption of man, the new Adam! Lk 1:28-38

Advocate
Mary help of Christians, pray for us!
Mary is the advocate of Christians because she is our spiritual mother. Jn 19:26-27 rev 12:17
Her intercession is great charity, for even before she is asked she sees a need and fills it. John 2:3 they have no wine, and Christ honors his mother, and never refuses her prayers, and because of her powerful intercession the newlyweds were spared Shame, and His disciples believed. Jn 2:10-11
 

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Actually, they've deleted it and moved the others up one notch and split the 10th into two in order to keep the number at 10.

1st how do you know what is the 2nd commandment is?

The Bible does not say?

How is honor and veneration and an explanation of doctrine a violation of the commandments???
 

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Mary is the advocate of Christians because...Christ honors his mother, and never refuses her prayers...

Around the globe, there are probably at least a few hundred prayers being directed to Mary at any given moment. How do you suppose she is able to handle them all at once in order to advocate for each one of them? And of course they just keep coming non-stop 24/7.
 

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Around the globe, there are probably at least a few hundred prayers being directed to Mary at any given moment. How do you suppose she is able to handle them all at once in order to advocate for each one of them? And of course they just keep coming non-stop 24/7.

the power of the Holy Spirit
Lk 1:37

you did not answer my questions?
 

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1st how do you know what is the 2nd commandment is?

The Bible does not say?


Sorry, I could have stated in better. I was assuming that Bruce Atkinson was referring to the non-Catholic traditional numbering of the commandments when he said that you guys were ignoring the 2nd one. You are simply including the making of graven images in what you number as the 1st one.


How is honor and veneration and an explanation of doctrine a violation of the commandments???

I didn't know I said that it was.
 

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mary only has one child!
Only Jesus can possibly be Elizabeth’s Lord of whom Mary is the mother!
Isa 7:14 matt 1:23

Mary had a little lamb! Jn 1:29
What do you make of the scriptures….

Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.- Mark 6:3

54 And when he was come into his own country, he taught them in their synagogue, insomuch that they were astonished, and said, Whence hath this man this wisdom, and these mighty works?
55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things? - Matthew 13

And she brought forth her firstborn son, and wrapped him in swaddling clothes, and laid him in a manger; because there was no room for them in the inn. - Luke 2:7
 
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My mother was Catholic. My aunt and uncle were Catholics, their son is a
Catholic, my now-deceased eldest brother was a Friar. My father-in-law was
a Catholic, as was my mother-in-law. Everybody alive on my wife's side are
Catholics; her aunts and uncles, and her cousins. My sister-in-law was a
"religious" for a number of years before falling out with the hierarchy that
controlled her order.

I was baptized an infant into Roman Catholicism and anon enrolled in
catechism classes where I went on to complete First Holy Communion and
Confirmation.

I have things to thank Rome for. It instilled within me an unshakable
confidence in the Holy Bible as a reliable authority in all matters pertaining
to faith and practice. It also instilled within me a trust in the integrity of
Jesus Christ. Very early in my youth; I began to believe that Christ knew
what he was talking about and meant what he said.

Oddly, though I was confident that the Bible is a reliable authority in all
matters pertaining to faith and practice; I had never actually sat down and
read it. When I was 24 years old, a co-worker in a metal shop where I
worked as a welder in 1968 suggested that I buy my own Bible and see for
myself what it says.

Everything went smoothly till I got to the New Testament, and in no time at
all I began to realize that Rome does not always agree with the Holy Bible;
nor does it always agree with Christ. Well; that was unacceptable with me
because I was, and still am, confident that the Holy Bible is a reliable
authority in all matters pertaining to faith and practice, and that Christ knew
what he was talking about and meant what he said.

Well; I soon became confronted with a very serious decision. Do I continue
to follow Rome or do I defect and switch to following Christ and the Holy
Bible?

The decision was a no-brainer due to my confidence in the Holy Bible as a
reliable authority in all matters pertaining to faith and practice; and due to
my trust in Jesus Christ's integrity-- that he knew what he was talking about
and meant what he said. So I defected which, as a Catholic, was my right to do.

"Man has the right to act in conscience, and in freedom, so as personally to
make moral decisions. He must not be forced to act contrary to his
conscience. Nor must he be prevented from acting according to his
conscience, especially in religious matters."
[ CCC 1782 ]
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There's no denying that Mary is the flesh and blood mother of Jesus, the Christ. The Bible said it, I believe it.

Mary was a faithful Jewish woman, born of 2 Jewish parents, that believed God. She was human being in every way. She was chosen by God to carry His child.

However, I find it sad that Catholics drone over and over "Hail Mary...mother of God...". In my opinion, not only is one revering her as Diety, it's elevating her ABOVE God!

And putting her above God immediately brings to mind what Isaiah wrote so many years ago -

Isaiah 14:12-15 (KJV)
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Further deification of Mary is exemplified by the countless shrines to her both in Catholic churches and peoples' front yards. Every time I see those shrines, I think of the 2nd commandment -

Exodus 20:4 (KJV)
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:

How the people of the Catholic church can seemingly 'get away with' ignoring the 2nd commandment is beyond me.

How do you know what the 2nd commandment is since the Bible does not say?