On What day did YOUR Messiah Die?

Eccl.12:13 said:

Let's see.....why did God have HIS Passover start on the 14th day of the first month and not the second or third? Because that's when He wanted it to start. So it is with Firstfruits/Penecost. God starts His holy days when HE wants to, not when WE think they should be. Passsover and the Feast of Unlevened bread was to be a mermorial to remind us that Christ is now our Passover and to purge sin from our lives.

Firstfruits has nothing to do with either, so why do you think it should start on the Sabbath? Why did God have us count 7 sabbaths and not 6 or 8? Because for whatever reason He wanted us to count 7 sabbaths plus one day!


The Lord commanded to give of one's first fruits and hence reference was made to this holy day as being the feast of first fruits.

Exodus (22:29) Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: The firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give to me.

Exodus 34
(22) And thou shalt observe the feast of weeks, of the first fruits of wheat harvest, and the feast of ingathering at the year's end. (26) The first of the first fruits of thy land thou shalt bring unto the house of the LORD thy God. Thou shalt not seethe a kid in his mother's milk.

Now one may ask, "What does Pentecost signify?" Jesus became the first man to die and to be resurrected from the grave. And in doing so Jesus became the first fruit. As the title implies, if Jesus is said to be the first, then are more to follow. And the Day of Pentecost points to the time when men, just as Jesus was, will be resurrected and the Lord will gather more first fruits.

I Corinthians (15:20) But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the first fruits of them that slept.
(21) For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
(22) For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
(23) But every man in his own order: Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

This is what Paul is talking about in the following verses. He is referring to man overcoming death and being resurrected at Jesus 2nd coming.

I Corinthians (15:50) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption. (51) Behold, I shew you a mystery; we shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, ​

This is when the resurrection of man will occur and we at this point will have become like Jesus and become His first fruits

(52) In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
(53) For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
(54) So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
(55) O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?

Rom.8
[21] Because the creature itself also shall be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
[22] For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
(23) And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

James (1:18) Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of first fruits of his creatures.

Rev.14
[4] These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.


The Lord has revealed to man all that He is to do through His Holy days! His holy days that are to be kept FOREVER!!!!


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Eccl.12:13 said:

It's kind of hard to go wrong with the true word of God and common sense...and it looks like you used both.

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Cooter said:

First post-

Just thinking out loud.

Larry

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tim_from_pa said:

And notice the conclusions you are coming to. They are based on the feasts of the Lord. All in all, it goes back to understanding the feasts of the Lord and what they represented. So, I'd say you are definitely on the right track. You sound like I did 25 years ago before I took the stance I did ---- I was open to several ways also, and the teaching set in stone in God's word won out over the traditions.

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Eccl.12:13 said:

Let's look at how what happened with Christ was the EXACT type of what happened in the past concerning God's feast days;


Lev.23
[10] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When ye be come into the land which I give unto you, and shall reap the harvest thereof, then ye shall bring a sheaf of the firstfruits of your harvest unto the priest:

Now we know this feast was also known as the feast of Weeks and Pentecost. Now let's carefully continue to read and understand the similarities..

[11] And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it.
[12] And ye shall offer that day when ye wave the sheaf an he lamb without blemish of the first year for a burnt offering unto the LORD.

So the offering was to be a MALE lamb, without blemish and it was to be accepted by the Lord on the day AFTER the sabbath. Let's confirm...

[15] And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
[16] Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.


So (7) weekly sabbaths are to be counted and the day AFTER the 7th weekly sabbath, the FIRST day of the week, is the day the MALE lamb, without blemish is to be accepted by the Lord.


Now let's jump to the NT to find if Christ did EVERYTHING according to the type given in the OT;

John 20
[1] The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
[2] Then she runneth, and cometh to Simon Peter, and to the other disciple, whom Jesus loved, and saith unto them, They have taken away the Lord out of the sepulchre, and we know not where they have laid him.

So while it was YET dark, BEFORE sunrise Mary came to the grave of Jesus and He had risen.

[14] And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.


So after the disciples left Jesus came unto Mary.

[16] Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.

Now if the feast days are to represent Jesus, could Jesus have been accepted ON the day of His ressurection, or did it have to be the day AFTER His ressurection? Let's read again just when the MALE lamb wihtout blemish was to be accepted by the Lord;

"And he shall wave the sheaf before the LORD, to be accepted for you: on the morrow after the sabbath the priest shall wave it."

Now let's read when Jesus was accepted...

[17] Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

So on the first day of the week, while it was yet dark AND while talking to Mary Jesus had NOT been accepted by the Father. Let's continue....

[19] Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.


So still on the first day of the week Jesus appeared to His disciples. So....had he been accepted by the Father at this time? Let's read....

[19] Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
[20] And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.
[21] Then said Jesus to them again, Peace be unto you: as my Father hath sent me, even so send I you.


So NOW the Father has both accepted Jesus AND sent Him back to His disciples.

Now since the feast days were an type of what Jesus would be and do, that means EVERYTHING that applied to the feast of Weeks HAD to appliy to Jesus.

Now the MALE lamb without blemish was NOT to be accepted until the day AFTER the sabbath. Now if Jesus was raised from the dead on the FIRST day of the week He could NOT be accepted until the day AFTER, which would mean He was accepted by the father on Mon. But the scriptures tells us He was accepted by the Father on the FIRST day of the week, the day AFTER the sabbath. And that goes hand in hand with what was told to us in Lev.23, for inorder to be accepted He had to be raised on the day BEFORE the first day of the week.

Now if that is not enough...let's read from Jesus own mouth how many hours HE said is in a day;


John 11
[9] Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.


Now if anyone knows how many hours there are in a day it would be Jesus. So let's take what He said and apply it to something else He said;

Matt.12
[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Now if Jesus tells us there are (12hrs.) in a day, I'm sure He knows how many hours would be in a night.
Just for the sake of argument, if we just took (3) 12 hour periods is a row from Fri. evening, that would put us (36) hours, or Sun. morning at 6am. But we know that Jesus was gone BEFORE the sun came up so how, according to what Jesus tells us can He means ANYTHING under 72hrs.

Don't forget who it was that said there are (12) HOURS in a day.

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Eccl.12:13 said:

What are you talking about? Jesus, NOR I, said anytihng about 72 hours from the cross. Jesus said He would be in the GRAVE for 72 hours. Jesus was put into the grave at sunset/evening starts Wed. From Wed. sunset to Thur. sunset = 24hrs. Thur sunset to Fri sunset = 24hrs. From Fri, sunset to Sat. sunset = 24hrs.

That is 72hrs and Sat. at sunset is also AFTER the sabbath day. Just as the sheaf was to be accepted for the people on the day AFTER the sabbath, so was Jesus.

Now if Jesus was raised on the first day of the week, He could not be accepted until the NEXT day and that would have been our Mon., But when was Christ accepted by the Father? On the SAME day as the sheaf was waved; the day AFTER the sabbath, the first day of the week.

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Eccl.12:13 said:

Will you please get real. Why do you think He had to go to the Father in the first place?

Why do you NOT address the feast of Weeks and that EVERYTHING Jesus did HAD to copy the feast days, meaning that WHATEVER day Jesus rose on He HAD to be accepted on the day AFTER the sabbath?

Why do you NOT address the fact that Jesus said there are 12hrs in one day, and said NOTHING about 'partail' days?

Why do you NOT address that even if you just took the 36hrs or 3 days and NOT the three nights, you still cannot get Him out of the grave BEFORE the sun comes up on the first day of the week? But we KNOW He was gone BEFORE the sun came up right?

And let's address the 'comma' verse. Why do you NOT address the fact that it is IMPOSSIBLE to get 3 of ANYTHING, days, nights or even 'partial days, bewteen Fri. evening and BEFORE the sun came up on the first day of the week?

Why do you NOT address the fact that Dan.9 already told us what day the Messiah would rise from the grave?

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Eccl.12:13 said:

We really do not need anything other than the word of God.

Jesus gave us the sign; 3 days and 3 nights!

Jesus gave us what HE considered a day to be and NOT what the Jews of the day thought; 12 hours! As we recall, the Jews of the day also thought it was wrong to heal on the sabbath, save a sheep that fell into a ditch on the sabbath, walk too far on the sabbath and a list of other things that God NEVER said was wrong?


Jesus said 3 days and nights with there being 12 hours in a day; what more do you need?



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MT 25:40 "The King will reply, `I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

MT 25:41 "Then he will say to those on his left, `Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.'

MT 25:44 "They also will answer, `Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

MT 25:45 "He will reply, `I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

MT 25:46 "Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

MT 26:1 When Jesus had finished saying all these things, he said to his disciples, 2 "As you know, the Passover is two days away--and the Son of Man will be handed over to be crucified."


1CO 15:1 Now, brothers, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.

1CO 15:3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Peter, and then to the Twelve. 6 After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers at the same time, most of whom are still living, though some have fallen asleep. 7 Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles, 8 and last of all he appeared to me also, as to one abnormally born.

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