On What day did YOUR Messiah Die?

Eccl.12:13 said:

Did you know God's word tells us in the OT the EXACT day of the week Christ was to die?



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I already know when & how Jesus died and managed to be raised in 3 days as per the scriptures.

There are many different versions on how people come to their 3 day theory. Mine is based on Jewish observances and the Jewish calendar.

Eccl.12:13 said:

There have been many people, that have come up with strange ways to MAKE what they practice try to fit God's word.

When all they had to do was search God's word to find the right answer. But doing that could cause them to be as an 'outcast' among their family, friends and church.

If you ask most people, "When was Jesus killed?", most will say on "Good Friday." And when asked, "How do you know.", or, "Can you prove that from the scriptures?, most cannot! As a matter of fact, most do not know why they do the things that they do. But they do them anyway.

My Messiah died on the day we now call Wednesday and was raised on the Sabbath Day. On what day did YOUR Messiah die and rise?

Well....for a change, let's let God's word, and God's word alone tell us when Jesus died.

First let's read WHY Jesus had to die.

Isa.53
[5] But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
[6] All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
[7] He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
[8] He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

God's word tells us Jesus died for the sins of man.

Now let's read when Jesus died;

Dan.9
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So now we have a day. Daniel tells us that Christ was to die in the middle of the week. For us today that would be Wednesday. Daniel also tells us he shall cause the sacrifice to stop.

Now let's read how long Jesus was to be in the grave;

Matt.12
[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Mark 8
[31] And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

John 2
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

So Matt., Mark, and John all heard the same thing.

Now let's hear Jesus describe a day to us;

John 11
[9] Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

Now let's read what happened the moment Jesus died;

Matt.27
[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Mark 15
[37] And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.
[38] And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

Luke 23
[44] And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
[45] And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.
[46] And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.


Now let's read what Mary found, "...While it was yet dark...";

John 20
[1] The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Matt.28
[1] In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
[5] And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
[6] He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Mary found nothing, because Jesus had risen.


Well...let's review:

• Daniel told us that the Messiah would die, "...in the midst of the week..."
• Daniel told us that the Messiah's death would stop the sacrifice.
• Jesus tells us there are (12) hours in a day.
• Jesus said He would be in the grave for (3) days and (3) nights.
• On the first day of the week, while it was yet dark, Mary found the grave empty.

So let's start putting the pieces together;

Daniel was told that Jesus would die in the middle of the week, so let's start there;

Since Jesus became our Passover, everything that applied to the Passover lamb HAD to apply to Jesus. The Passover lamb HAD to die on the day of the Passover. So according to what was told to Daniel, Jesus had to die sometime between our Tue. evening and Wed. evening. This must be the case because Tue. at sunset starts the next day Wed.

And the moment Jesus died the veil of the temple was torn into (2) parts. No veil means no more sacrifices.

So we have Jesus in the grave BEFORE the sun sets on the day we call Wed. And since we know that Jesus, still calulated a day to be (12) hours we know that He had to be in the grave for a total of (72) hours, (3) periods of day at (12) hours each AND (3) periods of night at (12) hours each; after all, Jesus Himself said, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

So from Wed. at sunset to Thur. at sunset, would give us (1) 24hr period. From Thur. sunset to Fri. sunset would give us (1) 24hr period. And from Fri. sunset to Sat.sunset would give us (1) 24hr. period. So that would cover the time that Jesus said He would be in the grave; 3 days AND 3 nights.

And what did Mary find when she went to Jesus tomb, while it was yet dark? Nothing! Because just as Jesus said, He would ONLY be in the grave for (72) hours, 3 days and 3 nights and not a second more.

Just as Jesus had to be in the grave BEFORE the sun set, He also had to be out of the grave BEFORE the sun set.

That would mean that Jesus rose from the grave on the Sabbath day. Yes!!!! The same Sabbath day that He set aside and made Holy. The same Sabbath day that He said will be observed forever. The same Sabbath that He said the following of;

"For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day."

Now all of what we just read goes hand in hand with everything in God's word. We did not have to go to an outside source to understand anything. We did not have to look up and try to find what the "Jews of the day" did, or how the "Jews of the day measured time.", because Jesus already told us; (12hrs). We didn't have guess what day it was because it was already told to Daniel; (the midst of the week).

All we had to do was to use the information God gave us and a little common sense.


My Messiah died on the day we now call Wednesday and was raised on the Sabbath Day. On what day did YOUR Messiah die and rise?

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Using the prophets to determine the day of the crucifixion is quiote unacurated.
The Gospels are telling us wich day did Jesus died, It was 3 days before Sunday. That is Thursday.
The Gospels tel us that before the resurrection it were 2 consecutive days being Sabbath. They are the Saturday and the Friday (High Sabbath of the Fest)
The Gospels tel us that from dead to resurrection was a continuous sabbath, restricting the women to go to the sepulcre. If Jesus were crucified on Wed and Thu were a High Sabbath, the women had the entire Fri to go to the sepulcre.

Jesus Christ, according to the scriptures did die on Thursday not on Wednesday.

I'm a little surprised I haven't responded to this thread, but I agree with Ecc12:13. Jesus died on a Wednesday and ressurected between 3 and 6 PM on Saturday. With these dates of the week in place, the Bible gives and account of events of every day of the what many call the Passion Week. No other model does that.

Monday: Jesus enters into Jerusalem

Tuesday: The Last supper. Jesus goes to the Garden to pray.

Wednesday: Jesus arrested, Crucified and buried before 6 PM.

Wednesday night/Thursday morning and afternoon: High Sabbath.

Thursday night/Friday: Tomb guarded by soldiers.

Friday Night/Saturday before 6 PM: Weekly Sabbath. Jesus raises before Sunset. Three days and three nights (72 hours) before Saturday sunset was Wednesay afternoon.

FHII said:

I'm a little surprised I haven't responded to this thread, but I agree with Ecc12:13. Jesus died on a Wednesday and ressurected between 3 and 6 PM on Saturday. With these dates of the week in place, the Bible gives and account of events of every day of the what many call the Passion Week. No other model does that.

Monday: Jesus enters into Jerusalem

Tuesday: The Last supper. Jesus goes to the Garden to pray.

Wednesday: Jesus arrested, Crucified and buried before 6 PM.

Wednesday night/Thursday morning and afternoon: High Sabbath.

Thursday night/Friday: Tomb guarded by soldiers.

Friday Night/Saturday before 6 PM: Weekly Sabbath. Jesus raises before Sunset. Three days and three nights (72 hours) before Saturday sunset was Wednesay afternoon.

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You are makinf sevarl huge mostakes:



1 The chronologu of the week it is absolutely wrong. Jesus did clean the Temple in two concecitive day, not one. You cammence that week six day before passoveer, and ended with Jesus celebrating it one day before. If Jesus did celebrated passover on day before, then it is necsesary to move the firast day one day back aswell.

2 You dont take inn cincideration the 2 and not 3 days of sabbath before resurrection. nd can not explain why thw women did not go to the sepulcre of Friday

3 You wrongly believe that Jesus was cricifed the same day of his arrest.



Wednesday theory is absolutely crazy.

Goinheix said:

You are makinf sevarl huge mostakes:



1 The chronologu of the week it is absolutely wrong. Jesus did clean the Temple in two concecitive day, not one. You cammence that week six day before passoveer, and ended with Jesus celebrating it one day before. If Jesus did celebrated passover on day before, then it is necsesary to move the firast day one day back aswell.

2 You dont take inn cincideration the 2 and not 3 days of sabbath before resurrection. nd can not explain why thw women did not go to the sepulcre of Friday

3 You wrongly believe that Jesus was cricifed the same day of his arrest.



Wednesday theory is absolutely crazy.

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The timeline I gave was purposely very brief and the only error I may have made is when Jesus entered into Jerusalem. It may have been (and probably was) Sunday.

The thought that Jesus clensed the temple on two concecutive days is untrue. We do see the possibility of Jesus clensing the temple early in his ministry after the wedding at Cana. That however, was three years before his crucifixion. The other three gospels account for a clensing the week of his crucifixition. None of the gospels claim there was a clensing of the temple on two consecutive days.

You wrote, "You dont take inn cincideration the 2 and not 3 days of sabbath before resurrection." I have no idea what you are saying. As for the women not going to the sepulchre on Friday, yes I did explain it. It was being guarded by soldiers.

Jesus was arrested around midnight. It is irrelevant whether it was technically the day before or not. Again, my timeline was purposely brief.

Another proof of Wednesday has to do with the women buying and preparing the spices. Mark says they bought them after the Sabbath, but Luke says they prepared it before the Sabbath. The women could not prepare the spices (which they did before the Sabbath) before they bought them (which was after the Sabbath) UNLESS it's talking about two different Sabbaths. This is what happened. Thursday was the High Sabbath, and Saturday was the weekly Sabbath.

The feast days of Israel was God's plan for mankind's redemption and foreshadowed certain events. So, to reiterate, the tenth day of the month represented when Christ came into Jerusalem, (aka Palm "Sunday"). We know that he was crucified late on the 14th day of Nisan after 5 full days inspecting the Lamb to fulfill Passover. He was interred in time to fulfill the Feast of Unleavened Bread at the start of Nisan 15. Jesus said he'd be in the tomb 3 full days and nights. So, from 15th + 3 = 18th of Nisan is the Firstfruits represented by his resurrection. We know by the Law that the Firstfruits occurred on a Sunday (the "morrow after the Sabbath"). So now, let's all get out our little crayons and make a calendar, a time line and label Sunday the 18th, then Saturday the 17th and so forth back. Then we can clearly see what day of the week each event happened. Simple as that. And that agrees with the chart from that person's blog I linked to a few posts ago. What's so hard about all this?

I can't see how one can legitimately fit it any differently that would make any mathematical sense. But then again, I am a strange sort of theologian that actually understand mathematics. Most are clueless in that area as evidenced they cannot properly count to 3.

FHII said:

The thought that Jesus clensed the temple on two concecutive days is untrue. We do see the possibility of Jesus clensing the temple early in his ministry after the wedding at Cana. That however, was three years before his crucifixion. The other three gospels account for a clensing the week of his crucifixition. None of the gospels claim there was a clensing of the temple on two consecutive days.

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1) Jesus misitery lasted only two years, but that is irrelevant for what we are discussing. Jesus did cleanse the Temple at the begginig of the ministery. Why he did it will take as far from the topic. The important thing for this thread is that at the end of his ministery Jesus did cleansed the Temple in two consecutive days. I have prepared the harmony of the Gospels, and tthe cleansed commenced (I have to check my notes, the Gospels say literally "commenced") the same day he entered Jerusalem; and finished when he did return next day. You can check by yourself that. Read the Gospels with attention and will see it.

As I said, I have to check my notes. Is not that one Gospel recorded both days, but that different Gospels recorded a different day. One the first day, other the second day.
I hope that you are sincerely seeking for the true in the Bible. otherwise you are just trying to defend your posture whatever. If you are sincere, I can help you to see the two consecutive days. If you are not not, I will be wasting my time.

FHII said:

You wrote, "You dont take inn cincideration the 2 and not 3 days of sabbath before resurrection." I have no idea what you are saying. As for the women not going to the sepulchre on Friday, yes I did explain it. It was being guarded by soldiers.

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Apologies for my poor typing and my bad english. And thanks for giving me the oportunity to clarify what is said.

"You dont take in concideration the 2 days being sabbath and not 3 sabbath days. That is before the resurrection." The point is that for a crucifixion on Wed, you have Thu as Passover High Sabbath, and Sat as weekly sabbath. That braeks the continuous sabbath condition from the cross to the resurrection. Unless you figure out anothe sabbath day on Fri.

FHII said:

Jesus was arrested around midnight. It is irrelevant whether it was technically the day before or not. Again, my timeline was purposely brief.

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As I see it, Judas and the soldiers leaved Jerusalem in the dark of the night, using torches to iluminate the way. But for the time they arrived to arrest Jesus they did not carry torches any longer, being a clue that it was quite clear sky (not day yet). But the exact hour is not the issue in this point. My point is that after the arrest of Jesus it was several sunrises. Before Jesus was crucified, it passed several days. In fact, Jesus was at Pilates one day by noon, and were crucified next day by midmorning. All of that is not concidered in your time line.

FHII said:

Another proof of Wednesday has to do with the women buying and preparing the spices. Mark says they bought them after the Sabbath, but Luke says they prepared it before the Sabbath. The women could not prepare the spices (which they did before the Sabbath) before they bought them (which was after the Sabbath) UNLESS it's talking about two different Sabbaths. This is what happened. Thursday was the High Sabbath, and Saturday was the weekly Sabbath.

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I have read that too many times. I dont know who started (and realy want to know). Who did started it, did decieve all of you, being all of you victims of him.
Luke 23.55-56 is saying that after Jesus were put in the sepulcre, the women did retur home and prepare the species they had at hand. Because sabbath was coming and was not possible to buy more species.
Mark 16:1 is after the sabbath, the first day of the day, when the women had the possiblility to buy more species. Probably - just probably - the women did buy the species they needed in addition, on our Sat after sunset, wich is no longer sabbath, and they went to the sepulcre very early in the morning, still dark after finish preaparing the species.
The decieving of that first brother is to take the verses oiut of contex and put them backward. Doing that dirty trick it seems that the women did buy the specias after one sabbath - the High Sabbath on Thu according to him; and went back home because it was coming a new sabbath - Sat according to him. If you are honest and read the verses in its context you will discover his low move.

Any how, Mathew 28:1, in the original greek - it is wasy to chek it out - is saying "after the sabbaths", using sabbaths in plural. Matthew is refering ton two consecutive days being both sabbaths. From the cross to the resurrection it was a continuous sabbath condition. Matthew is more clear in 27:62. He is clearly mentioning, by a twisted talk that after the dead, it was a high sabbath, followed by a saturday sabbath in 28:1.

tim_from_pa said:

The feast days of Israel was God's plan for mankind's redemption and foreshadowed certain events. So, to reiterate, the tenth day of the month represented when Christ came into Jerusalem, (aka Palm "Sunday"). We know that he was crucified late on the 14th day of Nisan after 5 full days inspecting the Lamb to fulfill Passover. He was interred in time to fulfill the Feast of Unleavened Bread at the start of Nisan 15. Jesus said he'd be in the tomb 3 full days and nights. So, from 15th + 3 = 18th of Nisan is the Firstfruits represented by his resurrection. We know by the Law that the Firstfruits occurred on a Sunday (the "morrow after the Sabbath"). So now, let's all get out our little crayons and make a calendar, a time line and label Sunday the 18th, then Saturday the 17th and so forth back. Then we can clearly see what day of the week each event happened. Simple as that. And that agrees with the chart from that person's blog I linked to a few posts ago. What's so hard about all this?

I can't see how one can legitimately fit it any differently that would make any mathematical sense. But then again, I am a strange sort of theologian that actually understand mathematics. Most are clueless in that area as evidenced they cannot properly count to 3.

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We have four Gospels recording the Paion. They are suppose to be christal clear by themselves. There is not need to interprete the meaning and paralels of the actual pasion with the Moses stablishing the Passover.
Jesus did died according to the scriptures. That are pual teaching. Paul is refering to the same Moses description of the passover fest. Let see what was necesary for Jesus to acomplish. The passoveer fest as described by Moses was a week long fest commencing with the preparation on the 14th, a high sabbath on 15th, a lamb being sacrified every day of the week, and a high sabbath the last day of the fest, preceeded byit prepartion day.

The Gospels said that Jesus did celebrates passover on the 14th, and was arrested on the 15th. It is impossible for him being crucified on the 14th. Jesus was crucified on a preparation day. That makes impossible the 15th because a high sabbath never is a preparation day. the only option is the preparation day previous to the high sabbath in the last day of the fest.

tim_from_pa said:

The feast days of Israel was God's plan for mankind's redemption and foreshadowed certain events. So, to reiterate, the tenth day of the month represented when Christ came into Jerusalem, (aka Palm "Sunday"). We know that he was crucified late on the 14th day of Nisan after 5 full days inspecting the Lamb to fulfill Passover. He was interred in time to fulfill the Feast of Unleavened Bread at the start of Nisan 15. Jesus said he'd be in the tomb 3 full days and nights. So, from 15th + 3 = 18th of Nisan is the Firstfruits represented by his resurrection. We know by the Law that the Firstfruits occurred on a Sunday (the "morrow after the Sabbath"). So now, let's all get out our little crayons and make a calendar, a time line and label Sunday the 18th, then Saturday the 17th and so forth back. Then we can clearly see what day of the week each event happened. Simple as that. And that agrees with the chart from that person's blog I linked to a few posts ago. What's so hard about all this?

I can't see how one can legitimately fit it any differently that would make any mathematical sense. But then again, I am a strange sort of theologian that actually understand mathematics. Most are clueless in that area as evidenced they cannot properly count to 3.

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We have four Gospels recording the Paion. They are suppose to be christal clear by themselves. There is not need to interprete the meaning and paralels of the actual pasion with the Moses stablishing the Passover.
Jesus did died according to the scriptures. That are pual teaching. Paul is refering to the same Moses description of the passover fest. Let see what was necesary for Jesus to acomplish. The passoveer fest as described by Moses was a week long fest commencing with the preparation on the 14th, a high sabbath on 15th, a lamb being sacrified every day of the week, and a high sabbath the last day of the fest, preceeded byit prepartion day.

The Gospels said that Jesus did celebrates passover on the 14th, and was arrested on the 15th. It is impossible for him being crucified on the 14th. Jesus was crucified on a preparation day. That makes impossible the 15th because a high sabbath never is a preparation day. the only option is the preparation day previous to the high sabbath in the last day of the fest.

Goinheix said:

The Gospels said that Jesus did celebrates passover on the 14th, and was arrested on the 15th. It is impossible for him being crucified on the 14th. Jesus was crucified on a preparation day. That makes impossible the 15th because a high sabbath never is a preparation day. the only option is the preparation day previous to the high sabbath in the last day of the fest.

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Jesus had the supper the night of the start of Nisan 14 (i.e. the 13th-14th). He was crucified and died when the Paschal lambs were being slain as that was the purpose of Passover, to foreshadow Christ slain. If he died on any other day than the 14th, and missed the very event Passover typified, then he'd be a false Messiah and broke the Scriptures. Nisan 14th is preparation day for that evening, the start of the High Sabbath on the 15th. Once that basic fact is accepted, that everything Christ did was on the feast days as prophesied in the Old Testament, the rest of the calendar falls into place instead of having a calendar of confusion from Babylon.

tim_from_pa said:

Jesus had the supper the night of the start of Nisan 14 (i.e. the 13th-14th). He was crucified and died when the Paschal lambs were being slain as that was the purpose of Passover, to foreshadow Christ slain. If he died on any other day than the 14th, and missed the very event Passover typified, then he'd be a false Messiah and broke the Scriptures. Nisan 14th is preparation day for that evening, the start of the High Sabbath on the 15th. Once that basic fact is accepted, that everything Christ did was on the feast days as prophesied in the Old Testament, the rest of the calendar falls into place instead of having a calendar of confusion from Babylon.

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The 3 synoptics clearly declare that when the day of preparation (14th) came, Jesus told Peter and John to prepare the passover. Peter and John did it (probably they killed a lamb) and when the nigth came (commencing the 15th) they eat it.

Once that basic fact is accepted, that everything Christ did was on the feast days (14th and 15th) as prophesied in the Old Testament, the reast of the calendar fllas in a big mistake.
I really hope you understand how you are being deciueved and confused. If you insist in teaching that lie that have been proven not biblicasl, I have to asume that you dont love the true but to defend that teaching whatever takes to do it.

Goinheix said:

The 3 synoptics clearly declare that when the day of preparation (14th) came, Jesus told Peter and John to prepare the passover. Peter and John did it (probably they killed a lamb) and when the nigth came (commencing the 15th) they eat it.

Once that basic fact is accepted, that everything Christ did was on the feast days (14th and 15th) as prophesied in the Old Testament, the reast of the calendar fllas in a big mistake.
I really hope you understand how you are being deciueved and confused. If you insist in teaching that lie that have been proven not biblicasl, I have to asume that you dont love the true but to defend that teaching whatever takes to do it.

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Sorry, you are the one confused and really have your calendars mixed up. The OT said that the Passover Lamb was to be sacrificed on the 14th. My Messiah died on the 14th of Nisan. So, my timeline is based on solid biblical fact.

BTW, things are not so clear cut in the New Testament as you want to fool yourself and others into believing. Many of theologians debated which day Jesus was crucified BECAUSE the gospels don't seem to be clear enough. So, when we are in doubt, go to God's Word and he unconfuses the language. Again, the Old Testament was types and shadows of things to come, otherwise, what is the point of sacrificing a lamb on Nisan 14th if it was not fulfilled on that day in Christ's death? There is none. It would be all pointless, and the word of God is not pointless.

tim_from_pa said:

Sorry, you are the one confused and really have your calendars mixed up. The OT said that the Passover Lamb was to be sacrificed on the 14th. My Messiah died on the 14th of Nisan. So, my timeline is based on solid biblical fact.

BTW, things are not so clear cut in the New Testament as you want to fool yourself and others into believing. Many of theologians debated which day Jesus was crucified BECAUSE the gospels don't seem to be clear enough. So, when we are in doubt, go to God's Word and he unconfuses the language. Again, the Old Testament was types and shadows of things to come, otherwise, what is the point of sacrificing a lamb on Nisan 14th if it was not fulfilled on that day in Christ's death? There is none. It would be all pointless, and the word of God is not pointless.

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The OT said that a pasover lamb was to be sacrified each day of the Passover week. That is a total of seven Passover Lambs, being the first sacrified on the 14th, one the rest, one per day. For Jesus Christ to fullfill being the Passover Lamb it was necesary that he dies any day of the seven days, not just the first. In fact, the first day he was perfectly alive and all four Gosples coinciude without room for any confusion.

You says that the Gospels are not clear enough in refernce to descrbing the pasion of Christ. That means that all of us are hoping to be saved over a confused text. How do you know that we are really saved, that Jesus did died as we believe. If the pasion in the Gospels are confuse, we are in deep throuble.

You are right in one thing: when we are in doubt, we go to the God`s Word and it will undo the confusion. That is way I go directly to the Gospels and found the true very clear.

The proposal of Wed as a crucifixion day is no other thing than making confusion. You is the one bringing confusion and bliding the light.

Goinheix said:

The OT said that a pasover lamb was to be sacrified each day of the Passover week. That is a total of seven Passover Lambs, being the first sacrified on the 14th, one the rest, one per day. For Jesus Christ to fullfill being the Passover Lamb it was necesary that he dies any day of the seven days, not just the first. In fact, the first day he was perfectly alive and all four Gosples coinciude without room for any confusion.

You says that the Gospels are not clear enough in refernce to descrbing the pasion of Christ. That means that all of us are hoping to be saved over a confused text. How do you know that we are really saved, that Jesus did died as we believe. If the pasion in the Gospels are confuse, we are in deep throuble.

You are right in one thing: when we are in doubt, we go to the God`s Word and it will undo the confusion. That is way I go directly to the Gospels and found the true very clear.

The proposal of Wed as a crucifixion day is no other thing than making confusion. You is the one bringing confusion and bliding the light.

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For all watching this thread, I have here an article stating the difficulty with the interpretation in the gospels right here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartodecimanism

It's not as clear cut as our friend here would have us believe. And keep one other thing in mind. The New Testament was not yet written when Jesus died. The writers were observing it as it happened, and the scripture they quoted and relied on was the Old Testament. It all goes back to the Passover story in Exodus 12. They were to take a Lamb on the 10th of the month. It was Killed at the end of the 14th day of the month, and Unleavened Bread immediately followed as the 15th started. Jesus only had to die once. Not all seven days of the week long feast, and likewise, he could not "pick" any day he chosen in that week. He had to follow the Exodus passage which was the institution of Passover. So the order of the Exodus story goes indisputably as follows: The lamb taken in, the lamb slaughtered 5 days later (5 is the number of grace) on the evening of the 14th (i.e. the end of the 14th) and then Unleavened Bread feast took place that night as the 15th started and the death angel Passed over them.

If I'm wrong, tell me where I'm wrong in the Old Testament story? New Testament don't count because they were written after the prophecy, but are merely proclaiming the fulfillment (Luke 24:27). So, despite what the New Testament says, or I should say sounds like it says, the foundation is the Old Testament very clearly and precisely laid out in the feasts of the Lord. I don't believe the New Testament contradicts anything, but is written in such as way as some people project their own ideas into it. God did not ordain these feasts merely to watch the Israelites have a party, but rather to prophesy the things of the Lord at the time of the feasts.

tim_from_pa said:

For all watching this thread, I have here an article stating the difficulty with the interpretation in the gospels right here:

http://en.wikipedia....uartodecimanism

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You are saying two things. If we are confused, we can go and check the Old Testament and the Wikipedia...but not the New Testament and the Gospels.

tim_from_pa said:

It's not as clear cut as our friend here would have us believe. And keep one other thing in mind. The New Testament was not yet written when Jesus died. The writers were observing it as it happened, and the scripture they quoted and relied on was the Old Testament. It all goes back to the Passover story in Exodus 12. They were to take a Lamb on the 10th of the month. It was Killed at the end of the 14th day of the month, and Unleavened Bread immediately followed as the 15th started. Jesus only had to die once. Not all seven days of the week long feast, and likewise, he could not "pick" any day he chosen in that week. He had to follow the Exodus passage which was the institution of Passover. So the order of the Exodus story goes indisputably as follows: The lamb taken in, the lamb slaughtered 5 days later (5 is the number of grace) on the evening of the 14th (i.e. the end of the 14th) and then Unleavened Bread feast took place that night as the 15th started and the death angel Passed over them.

If I'm wrong, tell me where I'm wrong in the Old Testament story? New Testament don't count because they were written after the prophecy, but are merely proclaiming the fulfillment (Luke 24:27). So, despite what the New Testament says, or I should say sounds like it says, the foundation is the Old Testament very clearly and precisely laid out in the feasts of the Lord. I don't believe the New Testament contradicts anything, but is written in such as way as some people project their own ideas into it. God did not ordain these feasts merely to watch the Israelites have a party, but rather to prophesy the things of the Lord at the time of the feasts.

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Nunber 28

16 And in the fourteenth day of the first month is the passover of the LORD. [sup]17[/sup] And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten. [sup]18[/sup] In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein: [sup]19[/sup] But ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire for a burnt offering unto the LORD; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish: [sup]20[/sup] And their meat offering shall be of flour mingled with oil: three tenth deals shall ye offer for a bullock, and two tenth deals for a ram; [sup]21[/sup] A several tenth deal shalt thou offer for every lamb, throughout the seven lambs: [sup]22[/sup] And one goat for a sin offering, to make an atonement for you. [sup]23[/sup] Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering. [sup]24[/sup] After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering. [sup]25[/sup] And on the seventh day ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work. http://www.christianityboard.com/in...&do=reply_post&f=37&t=13789&qpid=119450#_ftn1http://www.christianityboard.com/in...=reply_post&f=37&t=13789&qpid=119450#_ftnref1The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 (Nm 28.16-25). Oak Harbor, WA: Logos Research Systems, Inc.


It is not that Jesus had to die every day of the seven day, but anyone of them, not necesarelly the 14th.

The Gospels - despite not hjaving the authority of Wikipedia and not being inspired as the Old testament is - are clear in that Peter and John did prepare Pasover as it was suposed to be prepared, the 14th (verse 16 above). And are clear without any confusion at all in that Jesus did celebrates the passover the night of the 15th (verse 17 above). Jesus was alive the 14th and also the 15th. Being arrested the next morning.

Jesus Christ is our Passover Lamb and was necesary, according to the Old Testamen, to be sacrified (crucifeid) during the passover Fest wich last a full week (verse 24 above), noy necesarely the first day.

Now the dilema that have kept theological confused is that according to the Gospels, Jesus were crucified in a preparation day. That makes not possible to be the 15th because a High Sabbat can not be a preparation day. Then the option is going back to the 14th wich is a prepartion day. But againg, that is not possible because Jesus was perfectly alive the 14th and also the 15th. And theologians have been moving fronm 14th to 15th and bacl to the 14th and again to the 15th. Not that the Gospels are confused or that lack of inspiration or aithority. It is that the tradition is playing against the theologians minds. It hapens that the last day of the Passover week (verse 25 above) it is also a High Sabbath, being the previous day a preparation day. A PREPARATION DAY. That is perfect. Jesus was crucified that prepartion day, previous to the last day of the Passover fest.

The questions are: was Jesus arrested the earaly morning of the 15th? The answer is YES. Was Jesus trial few hours and crucifixion hapens the same mornig? The answer is NOT.

The Gospels are clear on that; but tradition blind the mind of theologians. The Gospels describe at least two sunrises after the arrest. The Gospels declare that Jesus was at Pilates by noon and was crucified by midmorning (next day necesarelly)

If we can put away the tradition we can spot every day from the arrest until the crucifixion. If you - all of you - wish to see it. I am ready to show you those days clearly exposes in the Gospels.

Goinheix:

Let me ask a simple question. Had the Israelites decided to sacrifice the Passover Lamb on the 15h of Nisan instead of the evening of the 14th, or even during the week, what would have happened to them if this was done after the death angel passed over them? Would they be alive or dead?

And what makes it any different regarding the order that Christ died? He had to die before being interred, and Unleavened Bread occurs AFTER the sacrifice. I don't know how much plainer God's Word can make it for you or anybody.

Are you sure you know anything about the Hebrew calendar and what it prophesies, or are you going to go by your interpretation?

I don't need the new Testament to know what day Christ was going to die in other words. It was there in the scripture long before the New Testament was written, and long before Christ came to this earth in bodily form. This is why I won't even begin to debate the New Testament. And the Jews have been unknowingly practicing it for years without understanding the significance. They slaughtered the Lamb on the night of Nisan 14th as it was ending. Simple as that.

tim_from_pa said:

Goinheix:

Let me ask a simple question. Had the Israelites decided to sacrifice the Passover Lamb on the 15h of Nisan instead of the evening of the 14th, or even during the week, what would have happened to them if this was done after the death angel passed over them? Would they be alive or dead?

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I just posted the Moses Law concerning the Passover Fest. Aparently you think that Moses was wrong and stablishing a week long passover with one lamb each day was a mistake of him. The fact is that in a chronologically order, first was the passover at Egypt, later cames the passover of the Law. Wheter you like it or not, the stablished passover is the passover of the Law. Nowhere the Israelites were told to copy the first passover at Egypt. They were told to observ the passover as stablished by Moses. Even the Israelites of the days of Jesus were keeping the passover as Moses stablished in the Law, not as a exact copy of what realy hapens in Egypt.

tim_from_pa said:

And what makes it any different regarding the order that Christ died? He had to die before being interred, and Unleavened Bread occurs AFTER the sacrifice. I don't know how much plainer God's Word can make it for you or anybody.

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I will apreciate in you refarse your question. I really dont get it.