Christians are not under the New Covenant

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Christians are not under the New Covenant
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UH...
The New Covenant is an OFFERING to ALL men;
Jew, Tribesman, Gentile.

Doesn't matter WHAT "group" a person Identifies himself "with";

IF that person HAS become:
CONVERTED IN Christ he
IS under the New Covenant; Forgiven, Saved, Quickened; Forever WITH the Lord God;
By the Power of God.


Glory to God,
Taken
 
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keithr

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Christ replaced david as king
Lk 1:32-33
The new covenant church replaced Israel matt 21:43 matt 16:18-19
What's that got to do with Christians not being under the New Covenant?
 

keithr

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The New Covenant is an OFFERING to ALL men;
Jew, Tribesman, Gentile.
Again, no Scripure reference to back up your claims. Why should anybody believe what anybody else posts on this forum if it's not backed up by Scripture? (And making the font larger doesn't make the words you type any more significant or truer!)

Hebrews 9:15 (ESV):
Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.​

Jesus, the Christ (anointed), is the mediator of the New Covenant. Jesus paid the redemption price of his death, so that those that are called (Christians) can become adopted sons of God and joint heirs with Jesus of God's Kingdom, sharing with Jesus in his role as priest and king over that kingdom. We are to be members of the body of Christ ("Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually", 1 Corinthians 12:27), so we are not under the New Covenant but are part of the ruling body of that covenant, with Jesus as our head ("... Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior", Ephesians 5:23 ESV).

1 Corinthians 6 (WEB):
2) Don’t you know that the saints will judge the world? And if the world is judged by you, are you unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3) Don’t you know that we will judge angels? How much more, things that pertain to this life?​

We can't be under the New Covenant and judges of the New Covenant at the same time.

2 Peter 1:4 (WEB):
by which he has granted to us his precious and exceedingly great promises; that through these you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world by lust.​

Great indeed are the promises made to those called to be members of the body of Christ! The rest of mankind will be under the New Covenant, but Christians are recipients of God's first Covenant, or promise, with Abraham, Genesis 22 (WEB):

16) and said, “I have sworn by myself, says Yahweh, because you have done this thing, and have not withheld your son, your only son,
17) that I will bless you greatly, and I will multiply your offspring greatly like the stars of the heavens, and like the sand which is on the seashore. Your offspring will possess the gate of his enemies.
18) All the nations of the earth will be blessed by your offspring, because you have obeyed my voice.”​

Galatians 3:29 (WEB):
If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring and heirs according to promise.​
 

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Taken said:
The New Covenant is an OFFERING to ALL men;
Jew, Tribesman, Gentile.

Again, no Scripure reference to back up your claims. Why should anybody believe what anybody else posts on this forum if it's not backed up by Scripture? (And making the font larger doesn't make the words you type any more significant or truer!)

I made a comment regarding Scripture.
I never said, BELIEVE ME.

* Did you do YOUR due diligence and SEARCH the Scriptures to see if what I SAID was True?
* Did you not FIND in SCRIPTURE and then ASK?

Um...no and no.

Acts 17:
[11] These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

1 Peter 3:
[15] But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear...
 
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Taken said:
The New Covenant is an OFFERING to ALL men;
Jew, Tribesman, Gentile.
Yes indeed my friend . All believers in JESUS CHRIST , whether jew or gentile are under the new convenant .
yes indeed . Let the glorious Lord be praised . Folks can come up with some of the oddest teachings these days .
But as for the lambs we shall cling to HIM and His new covenant promise . Now let the LORD be praised my friend .
 

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If you don't mind me asking, who are you?
Hmm, I'm not sure how to answer that! If I tell you my full name, that will be meaningless to you. If I tell you what church I attend, and help out a little, then that will be meaningless to you - and I can't claim to be speaking for or on behalf of that church/denomination.

I am just a Christian, hopefully a member of the one true Church of God, whose head is Jesus and whose members are enrolled in heaven (Hebrews 12:23, Luke 10:20). But, as Paul said that he was an ambassador for the mystery of the Good News (Ephesians 6:19-20), likewise we should be ambassadors for the Gospel - it shouldn't be about who we are but who Jesus and God are, and what God wants us to know and to do.

This is a Bible Study forum, so I am trying to share some of the meat of God's word, but it seems not everyone participating is ready to receive it - just like Paul encountered!:

1 Corinthians 3 (WEB):
2) I fed you with milk, not with meat; for you weren’t yet ready. Indeed, not even now are you ready,
3) for you are still fleshly. For insofar as there is jealousy, strife, and factions among you, aren’t you fleshly, and don’t you walk in the ways of men?​
 
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God initiated each covenant and the mediator always remains on earth mediating the covenant except for Christ who made Peter His personal representative and vicar! (Matt 16:18)
Matthew 16:18) I also tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my assembly, and the gates of Hades will not prevail against it.

As I've mentioned elsewhere, Peter is not the foundation of the church - the fact that Jesus is the Messiah and the Son of God (Matthew 16:16) is the foundation that Jesus build on.

1 Corinthians 3:11 (WEB): For no one can lay any other foundation than that which has been laid, which is Jesus Christ.
 

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Hmm, I'm not sure how to answer that! If I tell you my full name, that will be meaningless to you. If I tell you what church I attend, and help out a little, then that will be meaningless to you - and I can't claim to be speaking for or on behalf of that church/denomination.

I am just a Christian, hopefully a member of the one true Church of God, whose head is Jesus and whose members are enrolled in heaven (Hebrews 12:23, Luke 10:20). But, as Paul said that he was an ambassador for the mystery of the Good News (Eph 6:19-20), likewise we should be ambassadors for the Gospel - it shouldn't be about who we are but who Jesus and God are, and what God wants us to know and to do.

This is a Bible Study forum, so I am trying to share some of the meat of God's word, but it seems not everyone participating is ready to receive it - just like Paul encountered!:

1 Corinthians 3 (WEB):
2) I fed you with milk, not with meat; for you weren’t yet ready. Indeed, not even now are you ready,
3) for you are still fleshly. For insofar as there is jealousy, strife, and factions among you, aren’t you fleshly, and don’t you walk in the ways of men?​
I guess I should've articulated my question a bit better. Since I've fairly recently learned of my Hebrew ancestry, I was just wondering if you might be of Hebrew ancestry. I'm a bit of a genealogy buff! Not the most important thing, that being in Christ.
I think everyone should be given a fair chance to be understood when they start a thread. And respected. :)
 

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Another unhelpful post.

Here's a post for you: Holy Bible - start here. Is that helpful to you?

I like this, very much so for the Gospel of God was from the beginning.

Genesis, you will find THREE of ONE KIND
 

keithr

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I like this, very much so for the Gospel of God was from the beginning.

Genesis, you will find THREE of ONE KIND
Again, that's unrelated to this topic.

This is a little more related to the topic:

Galations 3 (WEB):
19) Then why is there the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise has been made. It was ordained through angels by the hand of a mediator.
20): Now a mediator is not between one, but God is one.​
 

David in NJ

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Again, that's unrelated to this topic.

This is a little more related to the topic:

Galations 3 (WEB):
19) Then why is there the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise has been made. It was ordained through angels by the hand of a mediator.
20): Now a mediator is not between one, but God is one.​

Everything is connected and has Order from the LORD - this Order and HIS Gospel begins in Genesis
 

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Let stick with the topic of baptism and not with individual events of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit can fall on us over and over again.

Yes Baptism was considered the initiation of new Christians.

No one is denying that receiving the Holy Spirit is part of Baptism....but you do not receive the Holy Spirit first.

Ephesians 1:13-14 We are indwelled with the Holy Spirit the moment we are saved. If people would read the scriptures beyond Acts they would understand that Paul did not come to baptize with water. Millions of soldiers and those who accepted Christ on their death beds in hospitals did not need water baptism to obtain salvation. When the dispensation of grace was reveled to Paul works or rituals where not necessary any longer for salvation was by faith alone. Alone means just that ALONE. Not faith and water baptism, not faith and taking communion, not faith and doing the hokie pokie.

Stuck in early Acts believers totally ignore the mystery reveled to Paul by Christ and the Apostles and Prophets by the Holy Spirit. Before the cross water baptism had a role in a person (Jews) who accepted their Messiah. Post cross everything changed. The transition was difficult for most Jews. Centuries of law made faith alone preached by Paul hard to understand. Peter confirmed that in his epistles.
 

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Millions of soldiers and those who accepted Christ on their death beds in hospitals did not need water baptism to obtain salvation.
Cool! All we need is a scripture that says....I mean actually says the words....Water baptism is optional.....or....Baptism is not necessary .... we were just kidding! or an update to Acts 2:38.
 

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Ephesians 1:13-14 We are indwelled with the Holy Spirit the moment we are saved. If people would read the scriptures beyond Acts they would understand that Paul did not come to baptize with water. Millions of soldiers and those who accepted Christ on their death beds in hospitals did not need water baptism to obtain salvation. When the dispensation of grace was reveled to Paul works or rituals where not necessary any longer for salvation was by faith alone. Alone means just that ALONE. Not faith and water baptism, not faith and taking communion, not faith and doing the hokie pokie.

Stuck in early Acts believers totally ignore the mystery reveled to Paul by Christ and the Apostles and Prophets by the Holy Spirit. Before the cross water baptism had a role in a person (Jews) who accepted their Messiah. Post cross everything changed. The transition was difficult for most Jews. Centuries of law made faith alone preached by Paul hard to understand. Peter confirmed that in his epistles.

Being Born-Again by the Spirit = which is the Regeneration and the Sealing = Ephesians 1:13-14
Being baptised in the Holy Spirit is another Promise of the Father = thus Acts and 1 Corinthians.
 
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"This cup is the new covenant in my blood, which will be shed for you.

All are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb of God!

Peace be with you!
 
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Cool! All we need is a scripture that says....I mean actually says the words....Water baptism is optional.....or....Baptism is not necessary .... we were just kidding! or an update to Acts 2:38.
We do not need any such Scripture. Water baptism is necessary for those who have ALREADY received the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 10). Acts 2:38 must be understood in light of all other passages about Christian baptism.
 

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We do not need any such Scripture. Water baptism is necessary for those who have ALREADY received the gift of the Holy Ghost (Acts 10). Acts 2:38 must be understood in light of all other passages about Christian baptism.

Do you want to rephrase that?
Again.....All we need is a scripture that says....I mean actually says the words....Water baptism is optional.....or....Baptism is not necessary .... we were just kidding! or an update to Acts 2:38.

Or as you phrased it, a scripture that explains that you have to receive the Holy Spirit first....before water baptism is necessary.
It is very clear Acts 2:38 is "the Way"
 
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Do you want to rephrase that?
Again.....All we need is a scripture that says....I mean actually says the words....Water baptism is optional.....or....Baptism is not necessary .... we were just kidding! or an update to Acts 2:38.

Or as you phrased it, a scripture that explains that you have to receive the Holy Spirit first....before water baptism is necessary.
It is very clear Acts 2:38 is "the Way"
Yes, water baptism is for the remission of sins. that means that they are not Saved yet, but hope to be Saved. Born again ! of the Holy Spirit.
John the Baptist was water baptising ? and remember what he said of Jesus Christ ? that proves it !
Water Baptism does not save you, so why would one bother if they claimed to be born again first ?
One is never truly born again first ever and then water baptised. Saul was water baptised before hand as well will all them other Jews, but that does not mean that one will receive the Gift and be Truly born again. Saul became Paul when he was Saved. when one is save you have a new name.

Maybe Nathanial may of became Stephen.