Brakelite
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I think we will find a solution regarding whether God kills if we ask the right question. Rather than asking what God does, perhaps we shall make more headway in asking what God is.
What sort of assumption makes one think.......
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For those opposed to Gods love it is and will be seen by them as his wrath.
What wickedness sees is the exact opposite of what is on display....for the whole Universe to see. Humans project onto God their own faithlessness including their vengeful visions and intentions.....just how the devil likes it!
Grailhunter
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If the question has anything to do with your opening statement....I answered it and more.
Grailhunter
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Sounds good. Christ is the best example of His Father's love.
But if you will climb up on that soap box we can review some of God's laws, His actions, and His threats. What do you say puppy?
Philip James
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Hi APAK,
Thank you.
One must learn to rejoice in the valleys as well as the mountain tops..
Pax et Bonum!
That’s what the Bible says, but some interpret it as Jesus inviting the wicked to a spot of tea and crumpets.
Satan lied to and deceived a third of the angels and convinced them to rebel against God and fall.
Angels are called the sons of God in job. Since God lost a third of his sons to Satan, and since God wants to replace them, He came up with a plan to replace them and is using Satan
Yes, there were cities of giant nephilim in the promised land, and God had Israel destroy them, and also some cities of humans that were an evil culture that sacrificed children to idols, among other things. God warned them ahead of time to repent before destroying them. Nineveh was warned, ajnd in their case they repented and were spared destruction.
God works this way:
Jer 18:7 If at any time I declare concerning a nation or a kingdom, that I will pluck up and break down and destroy it,
Jer 18:8 and if that nation, concerning which I have spoken, turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I intended to do to it.
God is using Satan to pre-test future sons of god to replace the third He lost to Satan in the past.
Angels are gods created sons in Job - we become adopted sons as Christians.
Those who overcome him enterr into heaven.
1Jn 2:13 I write unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I write unto you, young men, because ye have overcome the wicked one. I write unto you, little children, because ye have known the Father.
1Jn 2:14 I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one.
Rev 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
Ferris Bueller
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We represent him as portrayed in the words of Jesus. All his words...
12He said: “A man of noble birth went to a distant country to have himself appointed king and then to return.
13So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. a ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’
14“But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’
15“He was made king, however, and returned home.
27...those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’ ”
Luke 19:12-27
13So he called ten of his servants and gave them ten minas. a ‘Put this money to work,’ he said, ‘until I come back.’
14“But his subjects hated him and sent a delegation after him to say, ‘We don’t want this man to be our king.’
15“He was made king, however, and returned home.
27...those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.’ ”
Luke 19:12-27
So God destroys evil doers with wrath and a sword, in a loving way, eh?
God loves those who assemble in Megiddo to fight the battle of Armageddon so much that their blood will come up to a horses bridle
The ark couldn’t hold anyone else as it was specifically designed only for 8 people and the animals.
Scripture is clear only Noah and his family was pure in their generations, the rest of the world was evil.
The old testament, the talmud, was what Paul and the apostles used to prove that Jesus was the Messiah.
The OT is relevant for Christian.
Brakelite
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Noah knew intimately the details and dimensions of the ark. He knew how many animals were coming, and he knew how many the ark could hold. And he preached righteousness for 120 years by the Spirit of Christ
KJV 2 Peter 2:5
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;
KJV 1 Peter 3:19-20
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV 1 Peter 4:6
6 For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
Did he preach the gospel knowing the ark wasn't big enough to accommodate more than 8 people?
Grailhunter
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Did not say it was not relevant and Christ and the twelve and Paul were Jews. So there is definitely a connection.
But again Christ warned about mixing these two religions.
Christ freed us from the Mosaic Law, which again most do not know the Mosaic Law and do not understand the environment that it produced. The only way someone could understand the misery of it all would be to live under it, their life depending on it. But you cannot, you would end up in prison or an insane asylum. Women are not property. You cannot sell your daughters as sex slaves....have multiple wives....and kill women that are raped and stone people. The Mosaic Law either allowed these things or commanded these things. By Christian standards that social-religious environment was hideous and has no place in practice or in spirit in Christianity.
Relevant? Yes, thank God we are free of it.
Paul described the Mosaic Law as the ministry of death, written and engraved on stones....a curse that Christ freed us from.
Brakelite
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Far out GH. You are doubling down on the very character assassination that Lucifer began in heaven and exported here. Can you not see that Jesus is God's Son and therefore the true express image in character and nature? That there is no difference between them and the misconceptions expressed by Judaism had nothing to do with reality? You keep bringing up instances of how you believe scripture, in describing the journeys and experiences of Israel, are a genuine and accurate reflection of what you believe to be a violent and destructive God. You are wrong.
The point is, the One who sits on the horse will slay them all. And that One is Jesus.
Isaiah 63:1-6 KJV
1) Who is this that cometh from Edom, with dyed garments from Bozrah? this that is glorious in his apparel, travelling in the greatness of his strength? I that speak in righteousness, mighty to save.
2) Wherefore art thou red in thine apparel, and thy garments like him that treadeth in the winefat?
3) I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my raiment.
4) For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is come.
5) And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me.
6) And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.
Who trod the winepress?
Much love!
I feel like I'm dancing with you.
Then you are universalist, no further judgment. Or Jesus will judge Humanity, and some will be destroyed by Him. Which is it?
Much love!
Grailhunter
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Lucifer a Latin word transplanted into the Hebrew scriptures, It can be referring to Venus the planet....Venus the goddess.....or the morning star AKA Venus the planet but a corruption of the scriptures to try to deceive people that it meant Satan.
As all true sons.
It is not my opinion....it is not what I think.....the scripture say what they say.
Now this I will take you up on.....
Mosaic Law....Let's start with killing a raped woman....true or not true. Come on show some guts!
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