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Do you think there should be a death penalty?

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Ronald Nolette

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Is there new testament scripture to support that idea?

Doesn't need to be reposted in the NT. This was given to Noah prior to the law and therefore is binding on all mankind and not just Israel. This was never revoked so it is still in effect for government on earth.
 

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Also there are many soldiers of war that would disagree with you. Should they all be put to death in you religious philosophy?

War is a different issue. This is talking about an individual committing murder. The difference between killing in war, 2nd and 3rd degree murder are spelled out in various places in Scripture. War when a nation is wrongfully attacked (like Poland by Germany in WW 2) is nothing more than self defense on a national scale. Just like if I come home and find a person threatening my family with death. If I end up killing him- that is not considered murder as is defined in Genesis.
 

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Doesn't need to be reposted in the NT. This was given to Noah prior to the law and therefore is binding on all mankind and not just Israel. This was never revoked so it is still in effect for government on earth.
This was clearly revoked when Jesus died on the cross. He had a whore who by old testament law was to be stoned to death and stopped everyone from killing her and taught to turn the other cheek (John 8:7).

The problem with your idea has multiple flaws:

First and foremost what I mentioned. Christ did away with most of the Old Testament laws and sacrifices.

Second children need time to grow and learn in Christ and be converted and baptized. Then when they have the holy spirit can repent of their ways. But killing them does not allow them time to learn and grow and repent. It would cut them short of repentance and the change of heart God brings to them.
 

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War is a different issue. This is talking about an individual committing murder. The difference between killing in war, 2nd and 3rd degree murder are spelled out in various places in Scripture. War when a nation is wrongfully attacked (like Poland by Germany in WW 2) is nothing more than self defense on a national scale. Just like if I come home and find a person threatening my family with death. If I end up killing him- that is not considered murder as is defined in Genesis.

Yes we as Christians should not kill. I actually thought you were going to quote this scripture as basis for your argument:

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity. He that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

The only place I recall about not killing has nothing to do with murder. It says to not kill in Exodus:

Exodus 20

10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. 12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. 13Thou shalt not kill. 14Thou shalt not commit adultery. 15Thou shalt not steal. 16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

And in Leviticus it also says kill:

Leviticus 24:17 And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death.
 

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This was clearly revoked when Jesus died on the cross. He had a whore who by old testament law was to be stoned to death and stopped everyone from killing her and taught to turn the other cheek (John 8:7).

The problem with your idea has multiple flaws:

First and foremost what I mentioned. Christ did away with most of the Old Testament laws and sacrifices.

Second children need time to grow and learn in Christ and be converted and baptized. Then when they have the holy spirit can repent of their ways. But killing them does not allow them time to learn and grow and repent. It would cut them short of repentance and the change of heart God brings to them.

I am not talking about the Mosaic Law but the law given to Noah. God commanded the death penalty to Noah for those who kill another. That was never revoked.
 

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Yes we as Christians should not kill. I actually thought you were going to quote this scripture as basis for your argument:

Revelation 13:10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity. He that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

The only place I recall about not killing has nothing to do with murder. It says to not kill in Exodus:

Exodus 20

10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. 12Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee. 13Thou shalt not kill. 14Thou shalt not commit adultery. 15Thou shalt not steal. 16Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

And in Leviticus it also says kill:

Leviticus 24:17 And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death.


Well it depends on the word in Hebrew or Greek not English. Most bibles list teh commandment as thou shalt not kill when in actuality it says thou shalt not commit murder.

I see no prohibitions for a Christian serving in the armed forces of the country that God placed them. Not did Jesus ever condemn a soldier for having to kill in war.
 

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Government is filled with professional liars and thieves. They execute innocent people and let criminals go free!
James 2:13 (NKJV)
13 For judgment is without mercy to the one who has shown no mercy.

Well James is a personal decree not for governments. But as to obeying Government?

Romans 13
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13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.


If a government has gone bad in teh eyes of God we still must obey (if the law does not clearly contradict Scripture). god will deal with their personal sins, and He will deal with our sin of disobedience if we rebel against a government because we think they are liars and thieves.

Jesus never told Israel to resist Rome!
 

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New Testament please.

It need not be reposted in teh NT.

This law was given to Noah for all mankind long before the Mosaic Law. so it is binding to all mankind as the only God ordained death penalty.

But Paul did not condemn death penalties:

Acts 25:11
For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I appeal unto Caesar.

Paul clearly acknowledged that Government had the right to set a death penalty.
 
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I agree their should be accountability but surely this is not the same as a criminal act ( my ex committed adultery for 16years of a 27year old marriage ) I do happen to know that both of us were at fault within our marriage and that was something I had to come to terms with, it doesn’t excuse the adultery, but he wasn’t a criminal in my eyes. He faced the consequences of his decisions, as we all do when we choose to do things wrong. He never really sort my forgiveness , he died two years ago. However I was able to forgive him long before that and we remained friends. Rita
@Rita Your sad account reminds me of Isaiah 48.10: "I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction".
 

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@Rita Your sad account reminds me of Isaiah 48.10: "I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction".
Farouk I have peace with my past and I have four wonderful children as a result of that marriage , so yes, at the time it was sad but I don’t feel sad about it anymore xxx. Rita
 

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I believe that the Ten Commandments should be adhered to. People say, "But what if an innocent person is executed?" Compare that to a society without biblical reference points!
 
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New Testament please.

Agreed with Ronald Nolette.
It's very clear:

Acts 25:11 .... By Paul:
If, however, I am guilty of doing anything deserving death, I do not refuse to die.

But if the charges brought against me by these Jews are not true, no one has the right to hand me over to them. I appeal to Caesar!”
 
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amigo de christo

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I believe that the Ten Commandments should be adhered to. People say, "But what if an innocent person is executed?" Compare that to a society without biblical reference points!
Think about how many christains have died in the ages . Their crime , preaching JESUS .
And if one gets put to death and believes in JESUS , then at least their end is good . STILL GOD is in control .
Joseph was falsely accused as well and put in prison , INNOCENT of the charge against Him . YET STILL it happened .
God is always in control and will always work all things to the good of those who believe . And even in death
we shall be ONLY WITH THE KING IN THE CELESTIAL KINGDOM . yeah . LAMBS truly do have all hope .
And on that note , truman , THE TIME ON DECK IS .........LORD PRAISING and LORD THANKING TIME .
Folks call me nuts , BUT MAN BY GRACE WHAT HOPE I HAVE . MARCH ON TRUMAN . MARCH ON IN THE LORD .
 
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Think about how many christains have died in the ages . Their crime , preaching JESUS .
And if one gets put to death and believes in JESUS , then at least their end is good . STILL GOD is in control .
Joseph was falsely accused as well and put in prison , INNOCENT of the charge against Him . YET STILL it happened .
God is always in control and will always work all things to the good of those who believe . And even in death
we shall be ONLY WITH THE KING IN THE CELESTIAL KINGDOM . yeah . LAMBS truly do have all hope .
And on that note , truman , THE TIME ON DECK IS .........LORD PRAISING and LORD THANKING TIME .
Folks call me nuts , BUT MAN BY GRACE WHAT HOPE I HAVE . MARCH ON TRUMAN . MARCH ON IN THE LORD .
I believe that Jesus is in the old testament.
"13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed." Daniel 7:13,14 Jesus is my friend...I'd know Him anywhere!
 

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I believe that Jesus is in the old testament.
"13 “In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence. 14 He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed." Daniel 7:13,14 Jesus is my friend...I'd know Him anywhere!
You better believe HE was . WHO Do you think that spiritual rock was that followed them and etc .
Paul makes mention of that . OH YES JESUS was in the old testament .
WHO do we think the GLORY OF GOD IS . read revelation . ITS JESUS . And ezzekial even saw the GLORY OF GOD .
YEAH . OH yes . NOW LEAP UP AND PRAISE THE GLORIOUS LORD .
 
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Eternal Damnation Is In The Future For Unreptant Adulterers, No Stone Needed To Be Thrown, Read Gods Words Below

1 Corinthians 6:9-10KJV
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
I thought this thread is about the "death penalty"?
 

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Well James is a personal decree not for governments. But as to obeying Government?

Romans 13
King James Version

13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.


If a government has gone bad in teh eyes of God we still must obey
If? Government if FILLED with criminals!
(if the law does not clearly contradict Scripture). god will deal with their personal sins, and He will deal with our sin of disobedience if we rebel against a government because we think they are liars and thieves.

Jesus never told Israel to resist Rome!
Why would a Christian support killing people? He wouldn't! Let government do their filthy deeds.
 

kcnalp

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It need not be reposted in teh NT.

This law was given to Noah for all mankind long before the Mosaic Law. so it is binding to all mankind as the only God ordained death penalty.
And who will decide if someone is innocent or guilty? Our totally corrupt "justice" system?
But Paul did not condemn death penalties:

Acts 25:11
For if I be an offender, or have committed any thing worthy of death, I refuse not to die: but if there be none of these things whereof these accuse me, no man may deliver me unto them. I appeal unto Caesar.

Paul clearly acknowledged that Government had the right to set a death penalty.
The right? Are you promoting killing innocent people by Satanic governments?
 
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kcnalp

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Agreed with Ronald Nolette.
It's very clear:

Acts 25:11 .... By Paul:
If, however, I am guilty of doing anything deserving death, I do not refuse to die.

But if the charges brought against me by these Jews are not true, no one has the right to hand me over to them. I appeal to Caesar!”
See #438
 

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Are you promoting killing innocent people by Satanic governments?

If that's the best response you can come up with?
You pay taxes to your satanic government?

Come on now, don't throw these kind of remarks (insults really) towards your fellow brothers and sisters.
No Christian here is promoting killing innocent people to be killed by satanic governments.