Where Does Denial of Scripture About Hell Originate?

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Duckybill

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I like people to use the brain God gave them to think about His Word, process it, and share their insight. The NT would be a direct copy of the OT if the writer's only used scripture to communicate God's Word.
Look around you Aspen. Yes God does communicate, very clearly. Wake up.
 

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Believing the Bible isn't a problem. Not believing is what causes most personal problems.

believing in anything you do not understand is blind faith / superstition; which has nothing to do with personal problems. Everyone has problems.

So, why do refuse to think about scripture, make it your own. and discuss it with others?
 

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believing in anything you do not understand is blind faith / superstition;
which has nothing to do with personal problems. Everyone has problems.
Denying the Scriptures is sure to destroy the deniers. I.E. personal problems.
So, why do refuse to think about scripture, make it your own. and discuss it with others?
Care to translate?
 

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Denying the Scriptures is sure to destroy the deniers. I.E. personal problems.

Matthew 5:45
that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sendsrain on the righteous and the unrighteous.

Like I said - everyone has problems.

Care to explain?

Sure - I am asking you why you appear unable to talk about what you read in the Bible. It is as if referencing scripture is enough for you. Are you unable to think about what you read in the Bible? Are you afraid that if you think about scripture, the Devil will attack you and corrupt your interpretation?
 

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Sure - I am asking you why you appear unable to talk about what you read in the Bible. It is as if referencing scripture is enough for you. Are you unable to think about what you read in the Bible?
Where have you been? I talk about Scripture all the time. Most of it needs no 'interpretation' as you constantly suggest.
Are you afraid that if you think about scripture, the Devil will attack you and corrupt your interpretation?
I'm not the one under attack. I have power over Satan. I have other powers too.

1 Corinthians 5:5 (NKJV)
5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
 

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Where have you been? I talk about Scripture all the time. Most of it needs no 'interpretation' as you constantly suggest.

I'm not the one under attack. I have power over Satan. I have other powers too.

1 Corinthians 5:5 (NKJV)
5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Your posts are short, argumentative, and absolute. They often contain a verse out of context. Most discussions you engage in are circular - you continue until you reach the place you started and the other person throws his hands up and walks away....winning rather than 'reasoning together' seems to be your motive.

Is that really a discussion? Is this 'sharing the gospel'?
 

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Those calling God's Word 'myth' will answer to God. He doesn't take kindly to it.

Psalms 138:2 (NKJV)
2 For You have magnified Your word above all Your name.
 

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Those calling God's Word 'myth' will answer to God. He doesn't take kindly to it.

Psalms 138:2 (NKJV)
2 For You have magnified Your word above all Your name.

Thanks for proving my point.

So the whole book of Song of Songs, which is allegory - it didn't really happen - is less than the rest of scripture?

Fact is, the Food Myth is supposed to be in the Bible - it has no less value than anything else. You are the person that is devaluing it. You are placing a standard on scripture that devalues many of the inspired myths that all point to God's sovereignty. Either because of fear or your anti-intellectual approach to scripture, your standards (concrete, English translation only, literal events only) keep you from seeing the larger point of the stories.
 

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You can find all the 'errors' and 'contradictions' in the Bible you like, if you WANT to. God will have the final say.

Revelation 14:9-11 (NKJV)
9 Then a third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, "If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives his mark on his forehead or on his hand, 10 he himself shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. 11 And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

We can't say we weren't warned.

Eternity is not a game Jiggy. It's forever.
Once again you live up to your name "Ducky" and avoid addressing the scriptures posted.
Eternity might mean forever but aion doesn't.

Those calling God's Word 'myth' will answer to God. He doesn't take kindly to it.

Psalms 138:2 (NKJV)
2 For You have magnified Your word above all Your name.
Nor does He like religious folk using scripture to condemn others.
 

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Once again you live up to your name "Ducky" and avoid addressing the scriptures posted.
Eternity might mean forever but aion doesn't.

Nor does He like religious folk using scripture to condemn others.
No Scripture Jiggy? You can assure everybody of salvation if you want to, but you will be held accountable for everyone you convince who ends up in Hell. If you are right I will be saved anyway. Think about it Jiggy.

1 Corinthians 5:5 (NKJV)
5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
 

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Revelation 20:11-15
Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was found for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Then another book was opened, which is the book of life. And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done. And the sea gave up the dead who were in it, Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one of them, according to what they had done. Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
 

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No Scripture Jiggy? You can assure everybody of salvation if you want to, but you will be held accountable for everyone you convince who ends up in Hell. If you are right I will be saved anyway. Think about it Jiggy.

1 Corinthians 5:5 (NKJV)
5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Your misuse of the Word is nothing short of spiritual negligence.

Explain to all of us Ducky how handing someone over to your all power demonic being is going to save them when Christ returns?

You have a case of the bla's
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my recommendation is to not post for some weeks, read your Bible, pray and hopefully it will go away.
 

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n2thelight,

I am grateful you even considered "my take", which I believe is God's take on this truth. Just in case I failed to explain this well enough last time...

The orthodox view teaches the doctrine of a second chance, and that Jesus went to hell that he might there preach to those imprisoned, and perhaps save them even at that late stage.

If we (together) sat down around a camp fire and went through all the Scriptures I believe you would recant your above thoughts, in that the Bible is silent to such teaching.

This is contrary to Bible teaching (if you see Isa 38:18). For the grave cannot praise thee, death can not celebrate thee: they that go down into the pit cannot hope for thy truth. (Isaiah 38:18YLT)

No doubt you would teach elsewhere that the day of salvation is NOW (as per 2 Cor 6:2) and I think if you studied the Lords teachings you would agree wholeheartedly. Christ's work of preaching ceased at death (John 9:4; 17:4) by which death "he lead captivity captive" See Eph. 4:8; Luke 4:18,19; Isa. 42:6.

So why refer to men as 'spirits" imprisoned?

In my studies "spirit" relates to the sentient element in man by which he perceives, reflects, feels and desires See Mk 2:8; Luke 1:47-80; Acts 17:16; 2 Cor 7:1). "Spirit" is also used as a synonym for teaching, and is identified with those who proclaim such teaching (See 1 John 4:1-2). The Lord preached to "spirits in prison"; He appealed to the thinking part, the mind, of man that was imprisoned to sin, limiting his appeal to those who were capable of responding to it.

To prove this you will see the connecting word "which" in 1 Peter 3:20KJV, because the subject is the "spirits in prison" to sin and death. God, through His spirit strove with these at all times, using Noah in Gen. 6:3 as an example, also the prophets Neh 9:30), and later Christ in Heb 1:1,2) in His endeavours to deliver them.

Rotherham renders this: "(Spirits) unyielding at one time." Peter is not teaching that Christ preached to these unyielding spirits of Noah's day, but rather that Noah's days were typical of Christ's (see Luke 17:25,26), and even as the people were unyielding at the time of the flood to the warning voice of Noah (2 Pet 2:5), so they were also at the first advent of the Lord.

In the Masters Service

Insight


Hello Insight

I don't look at it as a second chance,I think it's a matter of being fair,in other words He(Christ)gave them a chance to hear the good news,ie,law vs grace

I Peter 3:18 "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the Just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:"

The purpose for Jesus Christ's coming to earth and living in the flesh, was so that He would die on the cross for your sins. Jesus was just [righteous] in all manner of His flesh life, and in His death "the Just" suffered for the sins of the unjust. Jesus Christ came to earth to die so that you do not need to go to hell, but by your faith in Him and belief in what Jesus has done on the cross, through your repentance to the Father in Jesus name you can be saved. It is your soul that receives eternal life, and when this flesh body dies and is laid in the ground, it is your spirit and soul that is quickened, or goes on living eternally. That is the work of the Holy Spirit, giving you new changed life, where there was only a dead soul before. Jesus died to bring all souls to the Father.

If you ever had any question as to what part of Jesus died on the cross, you have it right here. Jesus Christ's flesh body was died, whereas His spiritual body was quickened or made alive by His Spirit. Jesus was spiritually alive when He descended into the prison to preach to those lost souls.

I Peter 3:19 "By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison,"
These spirits that Christ preached to in prison, where the spirits of the saints that died prior to His death on the cross.

I Peter 3:20 "Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering for God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water."

Not the word "sometime", they were not disobedient all the time like the fallen angels, but were disobedient while living in the flesh body. Do you think that it was the whether that saved those adamic souls? They were saved from the water, and the reason that God saved them is given in Genesis 6:9; "THESE ARE THE GENERATIONS OF NOAH: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God."

The key to understanding this verse is in the word "perfect", for in the Hebrew text, it is the word "tamin", which means "without blemish as to breed or pedigree." In Genesis 6:1-7, when men started to multiply on the face of the earth, daughters were born to them. When the sons of God beheld the daughters of men, they desired them. Many "sons of God" or fallen angels left their place of habitation in the heavens and came to earth and multiplied with those daughters of flesh man, and from them came the Nethinim. This is what the book of Jude is all about.

Jude 6 "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, He hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day."

These were the giants of old, and through the years to the time of Noah, all souls on earth were contaminated by cross marriage, to where there was only Noah, His wife, and their family that were pure in pedigree, or their lineage blood line. It was the half breed creatures of giants, that came from the union of the daughters of men, and the fallen angels that left their first estate, that were the ones that the flood of Noah's day was to eliminate. Jesus tells us in Matthew 24:37-39 that in the time just before His coming it will be just as it was in Noah's day.
 

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Your misuse of the Word is nothing short of spiritual negligence.

Explain to all of us Ducky how handing someone over to your all power demonic being is going to save them when Christ returns?

You have a case of the bla's
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my recommendation is to not post for some weeks, read your Bible, pray and hopefully it will go away.
Hopefully you will understand eventually. Either way I can't lose. Are you willing to lay your soul on the line and guarantee everyone that Hell is not eternal?
 

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I posted this in another thread; ironically your coversation with Ducky or lack thereof is very topical at present.

He will randomly quote passages without conveying an understanding. He speaks at the Word, but knows not how to open it...(Psa 119:130) is foreign to him. In my experience he has only ever taken a literal approach to the Bible and while I have waited for him to expound a divine principle, he simply cannot.

If you go through his posts you will see he is characterised by "copy and paste". He is profecient in using the bold and increase text size but after that his limitations become very clear. If you are prepared to do this
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for the your remaining years, well I write this to inform you of the facts.


Ducky will not listen to one word you write even if it is pure truth.

But continue if you must.

I do.
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As do you Aspen!
 

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Ducky will not listen to one word you write even if it is pure truth.

But continue if you must.

I do.
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As do you Aspen!
I will continue to point out that I can't lose. And that you continue to avoid my point. Hell is real and eternal.