Where Does Denial of Scripture About Hell Originate?
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Saint John Said they are antichrists. Would you trust your salvation to an antichrist?
can you provide the verse for Saint Johns calling them antis?
You made a good point
I believe much of modern Christianity and bible interpretations have been influenced by the same people.
can you provide the verse for Saint Johns
The people Christ called Liars and offspring of vipers have been very persuasive in the christian church.
And many have trusted them
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1 John 2
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son.
23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
the general definition. Many think these Jews and all others will one day come around.
but it wasn't given to them to know.
His sheep know his voice and follow him.
Below reference work posted to assist with future study.
BIBLE ANALYSIS OF THE WORD "HELL"
The Hebrew and Greek words, "sheol" and "hades" have been both rendered by "hell" and "grave", but should uniformly be translated "grave".
The following references list where these words appear:
"SHEOL" is rendered "grave" in the following verses: Gen. 37:35; 42:38; 44:29,31; 1 Sam. 2:6; 1 Kings 2:6, 9; Job 7:9; 14:13; 21:13; 24:19; Psa. 6:5; 30:3; 31:17; 49:14-15; 88:3; 89:48;141:7; Prov. 1:12; 30:16; Eccl. 9:10; Song 8:6; Isa. 14:11; 38:10, 18; Ezek. 31:15; Hos. 13:14.
"SHEOL" is rendered "hell" in the following verses: Deut. 32:22;2 Sam. 22:6; Job. 11:8; 26:6; Psa. 9:17; 16:10; 18:5; 55:15; 86:13; 116:3; 139:8; Prov. 5:5; 7:27; 9:18; 15:11,24; 23:14; 27:20; Isa. 5:14; 14:9,15; 28:15,18; 57:9; Ezek. 31:16,17; 32:21, 27; Amos 9:2; Jonah 2:2; Hab. 2:5.
"HADES" is rendered "hell" in the following verses: Matt. 11:23; 16:18; Luke 10:15; 16:23; Acts 2:27,31; Rev. 1:18; 6:8; 20:13, 14.
"HADES" is rendered "grave" in the following verse: 1 Cor 15:55. Two other Greek words have been translated "hell" in the New Testament:
"GEHENNA" is rendered "hell" in the following verses: Matt 5:22, 29, 30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15,33; Mark 9:43, 45, 47; Luke 12:5; James 3:6.
"TARTAROS" is rendered "hell" in the following verse: 2 Pet. 2:4.
It will be seen from the above quotations that the terms "hell" and "grave" are interchangeable words, and relate to the "covered place", the grave. The word "gehenna" comes from the phrase "valley of Hinnom", a place of destruction, just outside of Jerusalem, where the refuse of the city was destroyed in flame.
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Thus, this word relates to a state of utter destruction, from which no salvation is possible. "Tartaros" signifies a deep pit from which one would eventually be drawn out for judgment. It thus describes the death-state pending judgment.
BIBLE ANALYSIS OF THE WORD "HELL"
The Hebrew and Greek words, "sheol" and "hades" have been both rendered by "hell" and "grave", but should uniformly be translated "grave".
The following references list where these words appear:
"SHEOL" is rendered "grave" in the following verses: Gen. 37:35; 42:38; 44:29,31; 1 Sam. 2:6; 1 Kings 2:6, 9; Job 7:9; 14:13; 21:13; 24:19; Psa. 6:5; 30:3; 31:17; 49:14-15; 88:3; 89:48;141:7; Prov. 1:12; 30:16; Eccl. 9:10; Song 8:6; Isa. 14:11; 38:10, 18; Ezek. 31:15; Hos. 13:14.
"SHEOL" is rendered "hell" in the following verses: Deut. 32:22;2 Sam. 22:6; Job. 11:8; 26:6; Psa. 9:17; 16:10; 18:5; 55:15; 86:13; 116:3; 139:8; Prov. 5:5; 7:27; 9:18; 15:11,24; 23:14; 27:20; Isa. 5:14; 14:9,15; 28:15,18; 57:9; Ezek. 31:16,17; 32:21, 27; Amos 9:2; Jonah 2:2; Hab. 2:5.
"HADES" is rendered "hell" in the following verses: Matt. 11:23; 16:18; Luke 10:15; 16:23; Acts 2:27,31; Rev. 1:18; 6:8; 20:13, 14.
"HADES" is rendered "grave" in the following verse: 1 Cor 15:55. Two other Greek words have been translated "hell" in the New Testament:
"GEHENNA" is rendered "hell" in the following verses: Matt 5:22, 29, 30; 10:28; 18:9; 23:15,33; Mark 9:43, 45, 47; Luke 12:5; James 3:6.
"TARTAROS" is rendered "hell" in the following verse: 2 Pet. 2:4.
It will be seen from the above quotations that the terms "hell" and "grave" are interchangeable words, and relate to the "covered place", the grave. The word "gehenna" comes from the phrase "valley of Hinnom", a place of destruction, just outside of Jerusalem, where the refuse of the city was destroyed in flame.
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Thus, this word relates to a state of utter destruction, from which no salvation is possible. "Tartaros" signifies a deep pit from which one would eventually be drawn out for judgment. It thus describes the death-state pending judgment.
I agree with your definitions especially your ref to Greek Mythology.
Thank you for the post.
That idea is an amazing fallacy.
Reason is, because there's no Hebrew text existent, except those found in the Dead Sea Scrolls, that can be claimed as authentic originals, and even among the Dead Sea Scrolls there were text copies that disagreed with each other. So one can continually go around in circles with textual criticism and arrive nowhere. But to have a Bible translation done among a people which reveal their prophetic stance in The Gospel of Jesus Christ, that must have God's Hand in it. And through the history of The Gospel of Jesus Christ preached by the Apostles after Christ's crucifixion, that is primarily manifested in the nations of Asia Minor and Europe, the defenders and protectors of that Gospel. The 1611 King James Bible is a good translation, not a perfect one, even as the translators themselves admitted. But it has a certain prophetic stamp upon it, seeing that it was ordained by one in authority who was ordained by God, that being King James himself, one who sat upon the throne of David that was moved to the Isles, and that throne being directly under Christ Jesus. This is why the 1611 King James Bible became 'the' Bible for the English speaking peoples, and only many years later did others seek their own agendas and influence by proposing continuous revisions for it.
I believe that the dead knowing nothing is a good thing.
Time is only noticed by the living. Therefore, to the dead it is as if they closed their eyes and opened them immediately up again.
When a man dies his hard work and struggles are over and so is his consciousness of waiting.
Job 14:14-15 "If a man die, shall he live again? all the days of my appointed time will I wait, till my change come. Thou shalt call, and I will answer thee: thou wilt have a desire to the work of thine hands."
So long as our memory is alive with God we are only resting.
Vengle,
I know you appreciate this truth but few here do. Your comment speaks of the absolute power of God to number the hairs on our heads (Luke 12:7KJV), to be able to count the sands on the seashore (Gen 22:17KJV) and to call to mind the life of a faithful servant by restoring them from the grave, even restoring ever memory of their life of probation. Psa 119:40KJV, Psa 119:154KJV by the word that comes down like rain
The immortal soulists miss this beautiful truth.
In the Masters Service
Insight
Vengle,
I know you appreciate this truth but few here do. Your comment speaks of the absolute power of God to number the hairs on our heads (Luke 12:7KJV), to be able to count the sands on the seashore (Gen 22:17KJV) and to call to mind the life of a faithful servant by restoring them from the grave, even restoring ever memory of their life of probation. Psa 119:40KJV, Psa 119:154KJV by the word that comes down like rainSee Isaiah 55:9,10,11
The immortal soulists miss this beautiful truth.
In the Masters Service
Insight
Beautiful is right.
It makes me sad for those who do not see it. Their lives are full of fears that need not be. And those fears are what will cause them to develop comforting ideas that have no scriptural basis.
1 John 4:18 "There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love."
What does that quote of John tell us about theology that preaches hell fire and eternal torment?
The Significance of the Word "Sheol"
It comes from the root shael signifying "to enquire; to demand," hence "to summon all."
The word denotes something, or someone, never satisfied, constantly demanding, always calling, with mouth ever open!
How significant is this when aligned with the grave!
It is never satisfied; it continues to summon all; it holds all in its grasp! Heb 2:15
The wise man declared: "There are three things that are never satisfied, yea, four things say not, It is enough." And the first he lists is the grave, sheol.
Did you know the name "Saul" (means: Asked of) is derived from the same root as sheol?
No wonder Saul of Tarsus preferred to change his name to "Paul"! It is not hard, therefore, to see why the Hebrew word for ''grave" should have as its meaning, never satisfied; always demanding; summoning all. The use of the word reminded the Hebrew of what the future inevitably held out for him! This should have exhorted him to apply his mind wisely to that fact. It is clear that this meaning is more expressive than that applied to the English word, "grave."
It comes from the root shael signifying "to enquire; to demand," hence "to summon all."
The word denotes something, or someone, never satisfied, constantly demanding, always calling, with mouth ever open!
How significant is this when aligned with the grave!
It is never satisfied; it continues to summon all; it holds all in its grasp! Heb 2:15
The wise man declared: "There are three things that are never satisfied, yea, four things say not, It is enough." And the first he lists is the grave, sheol.
Did you know the name "Saul" (means: Asked of) is derived from the same root as sheol?
No wonder Saul of Tarsus preferred to change his name to "Paul"! It is not hard, therefore, to see why the Hebrew word for ''grave" should have as its meaning, never satisfied; always demanding; summoning all. The use of the word reminded the Hebrew of what the future inevitably held out for him! This should have exhorted him to apply his mind wisely to that fact. It is clear that this meaning is more expressive than that applied to the English word, "grave."
Sheol means "the dug out place below the surface of the earth or ground." That is all it means. It pictures a grave.
The lake of fire is the same fire that fell from heaven on the captain and fifty and took the offering at the baal priest showdown. It's meaning is corralled fire falling like lightning.
I agree with your reply.
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sheh-ole'
or shol {sheh-ole'}; from 'sha'al' (7592); Hades or the world of the dead (as if a subterranean retreat), including its accessories and inmates:--grave, hell, pit.
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or shael {shaw-ale'}; a primitive root; to inquire; by implication, to request; by extension, to demand:--ask (counsel, on), beg, borrow, lay to charge, consult, demand, desire, X earnestly, enquire, + greet, obtain leave, lend, pray, request, require, + salute, X straitly, X surely, wish.
Your understanding of the consequense of such error is worthy of consideration in light of the true battle which is before us. Gal 5:24
The everlasting fire that is mentioned many times in the NT.
Matthew 18:8 (NKJV)
8 If your hand or foot causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you. It is better for you to enter into life lame or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the everlasting fire.
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