Silly question, but a thought provoking one:

devin553344 said:

I was raised Mormon, and many Christian could learn a great deal from them. I don't follow all of the Mormon teachings as I feel they have some false prophecy in there that they follow. But many of the teachings are good. And it is a more orthodox type Church than others.

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Mormonism is a cult, and many would argue it's in the occult derived from Freemasonry

Many are unaware of the secret temple rituals, swearing oaths of secrecy, with secret hand shakes, aprons worn, with magic under garments worn and used as talisman's "Bondage", baptism for the dead "Morbid"

YouTube Videos Below Exposing Secret Mormon Temple Rites

"Behind The Veil"

Mormons And Their Secret Temple Rites Exposed

Truth7t7 said:

Mormonism is deception, Christian's are admonished to expose the snares of the evil one, to reprove evil

Joseph Smith was a false prophet, and Mormonism is identified as a "Cult", this is common knowledge as seen in Dr. Walter Martin's book, Kingdom Of The Cults

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Define your definition of cult.
Most of the time when people use the word cult it means; I don't like that religion.
You can say they are not fundamentalists.
Beyond that you can find some one that does not like any particular religion.

There have been well defined cults so what comparison does Mormonism have with them?
Religions like Jehovah's Witnesses and Calvinism have had people rescued from their organizations by professional interventionists.

If you are a fundamentalist it would be correct for you not to agree with their religion on several counts.

Truth7t7 said:

Mormons believe and teach another Jesus, who is satan's brother

Mormons believe and teach Jesus walked and taught in the Americas

Mormons believe and teach God originated on a planet Kolob, and is just one of many gods

Mormons believe and teach Gods voice on this earth is through their 12 living Apostles

Mormons believe and teach that other writings are equal to scripture, Book Of Mormon, Book Pearl Of Great Price, Book Doctrine And Covenants

The list on Mormonism's unorthodox teachings and beliefs is exhaustive, just a few mentions above

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Truth7t7 said:

Mormonism is deception, Christian's are admonished to expose the snares of the evil one, to reprove evil

Joseph Smith was a false prophet, and Mormonism is identified as a "Cult", this is common knowledge as seen in Dr. Walter Martin's book, Kingdom Of The Cults

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Truth7t7 said:

Mormonism is a cult, and many would argue it's in the occult derived from Freemasonry

Many are unaware of the secret temple rituals, swearing oaths of secrecy, with secret hand shakes, aprons worn, with magic under garments worn and used as talisman's "Bondage", baptism for the dead "Morbid"

YouTube Videos Below Exposing Secret Mormon Temple Rites

"Behind The Veil"

Mormons And Their Secret Temple Rites Exposed

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"Kingdom of Cults" and rest of these points is GROSSLY inaccurate and toxic.

I would urge anyone to, instead of following Walter Martin (or any other human), to instead follow Christ yourself. In whatever denomination you may be. Focus on Christ. If along the way you happen to want to know what somebody else believes, go ask that person yourself and listen to them.

Grailhunter said:

Define your definition of cult.
Most of the time when people use the word cult it means; I don't like that religion.
You can say they are not fundamentalists.
Beyond that you can find some one that does not like any particular religion.

There have been well defined cults so what comparison does Mormonism have with them?
Religions like Jehovah's Witnesses and Calvinism have had people rescued from their organizations by professional interventionists.

If you are a fundamentalist it would be correct for you not to agree with their religion on several counts.

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Having studied dozens of different faiths/denominations, my experience is that a "cult" is found when persons are discouraged to think/investigate for themselves, and instead everything points to just that human leader & his/her view saving the day. It accompanied with a huge echo change, a lot of us "us versus them" mentality, and threats to a person (inside and out) if they don't toe that party line (very spiritually abusive).

And honestly, in about every denomination I've studied I've found such cult-mindset individuals, as well as individuals whom truly love Christ & are His disciples.

Jane_Doe22 said:

"Kingdom of Cults" and rest of these points is GROSSLY inaccurate and toxic.

I would urge anyone to, instead of following Walter Martin (or any other human), to instead follow Christ yourself. In whatever denomination you may be. Focus on Christ. If along the way you happen to want to know what somebody else believes, go ask that person yourself and listen to them.

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You see Jane, this is what I don't understand about you. On the one hand you profess faith in Jesus as your Savior. I certainly have no issue with that, and I would hesitate long and hard before suggesting such isn't so.
Ok the other hand however, you profess to believe that certain claims made by others with regards the briefs and doctrines of the LDS church are false, misunderstood, misapplied, and in your words above "grossly inaccurate and toxic" etc etc, and that we should take no notice of that but focus rather on your confession of faith, and talk about Jesus. Now I certainly have no issue with talking about Jesus. I mean, I talk about Him every day... Write about Him every day on this forum... Read about Him every day in scripture, and in other's writings, every day. But I see a paradox. People like Walter Martin don't pluck statements such as he made out of thin air. He went to LDA sources to discover what they believed, what they taught, and why. I have seen other posters on this site quiet from LDS source material saying the saying things that Martin said. When those things are brought up, your stock answer is, why don't you ask me, to see what I think. Well Jane, you've already told us what you think. You think that ideas are gross and toxic. But they are the teachings of your own church. Do you disagree with them? Why is there so this seeming contradiction between what your church teaches, and what you believe?

Backlit said:

You see Jane, this is what I don't understand about you. On the one hand you profess faith in Jesus as your Savior. I certainly have no issue with that, and I would hesitate long and hard before suggesting such isn't so.

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100% true, and thank you.

Backlit said:

Ok the other hand however, you profess to believe that certain claims made by others with regards the briefs and doctrines of the LDS church are false, misunderstood, misapplied, and in your words above "grossly inaccurate and toxic" etc etc,

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That is also true.

Backlit said:

and that we should take no notice of that but focus rather on your confession of faith, and talk about Jesus. Now I certainly have no issue with talking about Jesus. I mean, I talk about Him every day... Write about Him every day on this forum... Read about Him every day in scripture, and in other's writings, every day. But I see a paradox. People like Walter Martin don't pluck statements such as he made out of thin air. He went to LDA sources to discover what they believed, what they taught, and why. I have seen other posters on this site quiet from LDS source material saying the saying things that Martin said. When those things are brought up, your stock answer is, why don't you ask me, to see what I think. Well Jane, you've already told us what you think. You think that ideas are gross and toxic. But they are the teachings of your own church. Do you disagree with them? Why is there so this seeming contradiction between what your church teaches, and what you believe?

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Walter Martin's agenda was to "defend the flock" by telling his congregation how horrible all of these other people were. Martin's disciples have likewise carried on that tradition. However, that agenda driven "anti-cult" portrayal of "Mormon" beliefs and actual beliefs of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints are two totally different things.

I've explained examples of actual beliefs versus the "anti-cult" straw man this many times on this forum. For example, real beliefs focused on Jesus Christ the Son of God, versus anti-cult obsession with the sinner Joseph Smith. And honestly, I do get tired of doing so again and again when a person's response is to blatantly ignore me with "well so-and-so told me this so it must be true-- repent Jane!" as if their salvation was dependent on me believing falsehoods XYZ.

Jane_Doe22 said:

100% true, and thank you.

That is also true.

Walter Martin's agenda was to "defend the flock" by telling his congregation how horrible all of these other people were. Martin's disciples have likewise carried on that tradition. However, that agenda driven "anti-cult" portrayal of "Mormon" beliefs and actual beliefs of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints are two totally different things.

I've explained examples of actual beliefs versus the "anti-cult" straw man this many times on this forum. For example, real beliefs focused on Jesus Christ the Son of God, versus anti-cult obsession with the sinner Joseph Smith. And honestly, I do get tired of doing so again and again when a person's response is to blatantly ignore me with "well so-and-so told me this so it must be true-- repent Jane!" as if their salvation was dependent on me believing falsehoods XYZ.

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Okay, fair enough. So. Would you like to tell us your perspective, the truth as you perceive, about planet kolob, and whether it is, or isn't, expected by LDS folk to inherit their own planets as it's described by people like Martin and others? I mean, personally I have no issue about life on other planets. I am absolutely certain this earth ain't on its own in this universe. But the beliefs and issues surrounding your church's view of this are to many, to say the least, somewhat strange don't you think?

Backlit said:

Okay, fair enough. So. Would you like to tell us your perspective, the truth as you perceive, about planet kolob, and whether it is, or isn't, expected by LDS folk to inherit their own planets as it's described by people like Martin and others? I mean, personally I have no issue about life on other planets. I am absolutely certain this earth ain't on its own in this universe. But the beliefs and issues surrounding your church's view of this are to many, to say the least, somewhat strange don't you think?

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You've just summed up one "anti-cult" strawman.

Now actual beliefs of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints: a disciple of Christ ultimately (after final judgment, finished sanctification, etc) becomes a joint-heir with Him, inheriting all that the Father has. We become like Him / fully one with Him-- that's the entire point of Christ's Atonement. The LDS Christian focus here is on growing to share His love, Goodness, mercy, etc.

Yes, the eventual heavenly abode will be very nice (streets paved with gold, etc), but that's not the focus at all. And it no more equates to literally "I get a planet!" than it does "I get to play the harp all day long!". That's not was discipleship is about. In fact, the non-focus on this is so pronounced, there's a extremely popular hymn which literally urges people to "wake up and do something more than dream of your mansion above" and instead go help others and show them love ( Hymn lyrics Have I Done Any Good? ).


Do you see the huge difference here @Backlit ?

Jane_Doe22 said:

You've just summed up one "anti-cult" strawman.

Now actual beliefs of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints: a disciple of Christ ultimately (after final judgment, finished sanctification, etc) becomes a joint-heir with Him, inheriting all that the Father has. We become like Him / fully one with Him-- that's the entire point of Christ's Atonement. The LDS Christian focus here is on growing to share His love, Goodness, mercy, etc.

Yes, the eventual heavenly abode will be very nice (streets paved with gold, etc), but that's not the focus at all. And it no more equates to literally "I get a planet!" than it does "I get to play the harp all day long!". That's not was discipleship is about. In fact, the non-focus on this is so pronounced, there's a extremely popular hymn which literally urges people to "wake up and do something more than dream of your mansion above" and instead go help others and show them love ( Hymn lyrics Have I Done Any Good? ).


Do you see the huge difference here @Backlit ?

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Totally. So. Where did that strawman originate?

Robert Gwin said:

Jesus clearly taught that few would make it. A prime example is found at Mat 7 verse 21, yes these individuals were extremely dedicated, and surely they would have acknowledged those things about Jesus after he had fulfilled them, they did many powerful things in his name, but they failed to do God's will. That is the key to being a Christian, living the law of the Christ.

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Agreed. Rejecting this truth is part of what I see as the feminization of Christ.

Jesus is masculine and knows many will be thrown into the Lake of Fire, even those who followed him and part since they also followed, in part, either the Adversary or their own glory.

Truth7t7 said:

Mormonism is a cult

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James 4:11-12
The Voice

11 My brothers and sisters, do not assault each other with criticism. If you decide your job is to accuse and judge another believer, then you are a self-appointed critic and judge of the law; if so, then you are no longer a doer of the law and subject to its rule; you stand over it as a judge. 12 Know this—there is One who stands supreme as Judge and Lawgiver. He alone is able to save and to destroy, so who are you to step in and try to judge another?

Backlit said:

Totally. So. Where did that strawman originate?

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Marin & Co take a few non-scriptural quotes, strip them of all context, make up the straw man, and popularize it.

I totally get disagreeing with others on theological points— that happens. But let’s disagree on actual differences and strive to respectfully love each other along the way.

Jane_Doe22 said:

I would urge you to stay away from "anti-cult" rhetoric then, and instead just stay focused on Christ, the Savior of the World.

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Dear Sister - The Holy Spirit urges you to stay away from cults and doctrines of demons.

The LORD tells us to stay out of false religious cults/belief systems/religions

After these things I saw another angel coming down from heaven, having great authority, and the earth was illuminated with his glory. And he cried mightily with a loud voice, saying, “Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen, and has become a dwelling place of demons, a prison for every foul spirit, and a cage for every unclean and hated bird! For all the nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth have become rich through the abundance of her luxury.”

And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues.

Seek to be filled with the Holy Spirit of God - reject anything teaching that does not obey the WORD.