We are saved by God's grace, and by our faith towards God, but REMEMBER...

lastsecman · May 7, 2011

Though we are saved by God's grace, and by our faith towards God, but REMEMBER, in the Bible God warned us:

Hebrews 10:26-31
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[a] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

justaname · May 7, 2011

Great Post

Miss Hepburn · May 7, 2011

lastsecman said:
Though we are saved by God's grace, and by our faith towards God, but REMEMBER, in the Bible God warned us:

Hebrews 10:26-31
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[a] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Ahh, and what I like to "REMEMBER" instead (since I have not insulted the Spirit of grace, nor trampled the Son of God) and am in love with my Father...Eph 3:17-19
"That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
May be able to comprehend with all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God."

No, I think I will remember from Hosea 6:6
"For I desire steadfast love....the knowledge of God...".

And I would love " to fall into the hands of the living God".

"Fear is not in me."

aspen · May 7, 2011

It is interesting to me to read all the posts that try to strike fear of hellfire in the hearts of nonbelievers and believers that do not appear to really be saved according to doctrinal standards. When I read the Bible, I see fear from the viewpoint of humanity, not God. When I read Jesus' words I see Him telling people how to thrive and simply stating what happens if your heart remains isolated from Him and neighbor. It is sort of like a cookbook - you can follow the recipe and create something delicious or fall short; no one is afraid of a cookbook because it isn't punishing you, it is just stating a fact.

justaname · May 7, 2011

Let me just say I like this because I know those that claim to be saved, but do not show the love of Christ. They back bite at any chance they get. They are drunkards, vile speaking slanders, who bear false witness. I feel they can take heed from something like this. Too many, because of grace, take sin too lightly. I am not saying I am a perfect Christian, we all have our faults and failures. But some people don't even try.

I personally love all. That does not mean I have to like all. I pray for my enemies, but I hate their ways. Like Paul says above all these is love. John in his writings say God is love. Grace is a wonderful and glorious thing. The Son of God the greatest example in human existence. Let's not take our sin lightly so his burden and stripes are deepened. Lets clean up our thoughts, words, and actions to project His glory.

Disciple · May 7, 2011

'..Be ye holy for I am holy..'

WhiteKnuckle · May 8, 2011

aspen said:
It is interesting to me to read all the posts that try to strike fear of hellfire in the hearts of nonbelievers and believers that do not appear to really be saved according to doctrinal standards. When I read the Bible, I see fear from the viewpoint of humanity, not God. When I read Jesus' words I see Him telling people how to thrive and simply stating what happens if your heart remains isolated from Him and neighbor. It is sort of like a cookbook - you can follow the recipe and create something delicious or fall short; no one is afraid of a cookbook because it isn't punishing you, it is just stating a fact.

I agree.

I don't think there is a more misunderstood passage from the Bible than this one.

Taken by itself it seems to condemn all of us. This one is used by many many people who feel like they need to keep the sheep afraid. Sure there's warnings in the Bible, and sure we shouldn't sin. That's not what this particular scripture is talking about.

If we take the rest of the letter to the church we will clearly see that Paul is addressing people reverting back to Judiasm.

So, to say that if we sin, even deliberately, that there is no more sacrifice and you are going to stay in that sin, that contradicts the rest of the Bible. No wonder people say the Bible contradicts itself. I've often wondered where it did, but, now I can see.

Mans interpretation of the Bible contradicts the Bible.

lastsecman · May 8, 2011

Another fact about salvation that people should be very fearful about is, people can lose the saving grace given to them by God.
Because God very seriously warned people in the Bible, that if people do not obey and act out his commands, then on judgement day, their salvation will be taken away from them, and their ending will be like the endings of evil wicked people, which is to be thrown into the eternal hellfire of torment.

lastsecman · May 8, 2011

Because God said, to those people who love him, by obeying and acting out his commandments, he will treat them with kindness and mercy.
But to those people who are rebellious, who loves lies more than the truth, and who does not want to obey and act out his commands, he will treat them with anger and punishment like the way he will treat evil wicked people.

Angelina · May 8, 2011

The cool thing about God is that he judges the heart of man and can determine deliberate sin from bondage which some may be struggling with. He knows our very frame and in spite of it, sent his Son on behalf of all who believe by faith. The clean up sometimes happens afterward.

Romans 5
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

Salvation is a free gift but sanctification can be an on-going process. It may be a lifelong battle that the Holy Spirit is able to help us through in various areas of our lives. Deliberate sin however, is more of a conscious rebellious act that the Lord will also deal with in individual lives. Either way, I think that the Lord is very gracious and long suffering and yet we cannot remain practicing sin knowingly without there being consequences... God knows every heart and judges accordingly.

Shalom!

goodshepard55 · May 8, 2011

Aspen..I loved your post, just gets back to the heart of God...To follow as best as we can and to LOVE above all else...If we are striking fear in people, they will not choose a loving God, but one of fear, God is LOVE, not fear...For as the Word says.." He loved us so much He sent His Son" ......Now I am sure most of us would not send our child to a cross to save our neighbor, much less the world...So if we follow the (recipe) Word, we can at least try to Love as He loves us and try to come out of the (oven) Word all warm with a (cooked) heart and a ever growing heart for our fellow man...

Robbie · May 9, 2011

I agree white knuckle... and I like what Aspen said to... my experience is the fruit off that belief is either people feeling like they're condemned and they should give up or like what justaname was basically saying which is that even though I'm not perfect I can be saved because at least I'm not as bad as those other guys... haha... I think that's the most dangerous place to be personally... Jesus said the sinner went away justified because he saw the truth about himself in the light of God and the pharisee didn't because he had a false self perception based on comparing himself with other men...

jiggyfly · May 9, 2011

Miss Hepburn said:
Ahh, and what I like to "REMEMBER" instead (since I have not insulted the Spirit of grace, nor trampled the Son of God) and am in love with my Father...Eph 3:17-19
"That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
May be able to comprehend with all saints what [is] the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God."

No, I think I will remember from Hosea 6:6
"For I desire steadfast love....the knowledge of God...".

And I would love " to fall into the hands of the living God".

"Fear is not in me."

Marvelous, simply marvelous.

jiggyfly · May 9, 2011

lastsecman said:
Though we are saved by God's grace, and by our faith towards God, but REMEMBER, in the Bible God warned us:

Hebrews 10:26-31
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”[a] and again, “The Lord will judge his people.” 31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

Context is something to be considered when trying to gain understanding. This is a letter to Hebrew believers, so it is a help to keep this in mind when reading the whole letter.

Look at what is said in the first couple of verses in the same chapter.

The old system under the law of Moses was only a shadow, a dim preview of the good things to come, not the good things themselves. The sacrifices under that system were repeated again and again, year after year, but they were never able to provide perfect cleansing for those who came to worship. If they could have provided perfect cleansing, the sacrifices would have stopped, for the worshipers would have been purified once for all time, and their feelings of guilt would have disappeared. But instead, those sacrifices actually reminded them of their sins year after year. For it is not possible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Hebrews 10:1-4

banjo71 · May 12, 2011

Angelina said:
The cool thing about God is that he judges the heart of man and can determine deliberate sin from bondage which some may be struggling with. He knows our very frame and in spite of it, sent his Son on behalf of all who believe by faith. The clean up sometimes happens afterward.

Romans 5
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

6 For when we were still without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For scarcely for a righteous man will one die; yet perhaps for a good man someone would even dare to die. 8 But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him. 10 For if when we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life. 11 And not only that, but we also rejoice in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received the reconciliation.

Salvation is a free gift but sanctification can be an on-going process. It may be a lifelong battle that the Holy Spirit is able to help us through in various areas of our lives. Deliberate sin however, is more of a conscious rebellious act that the Lord will also deal with in individual lives. Either way, I think that the Lord is very gracious and long suffering and yet we cannot remain practicing sin knowingly without there being consequences... God knows every heart and judges accordingly.

Shalom!

Your post is true. God knows bondage when He sees it, and knows a heartless unbelieving person also who has no faith, but has been enlightened like Judas. Mix Judas with no faith, you get a son of perdition. Mix Peter, who denied the Lord, with faith, you get a chld of God.We are saved by grace thru faith, no buts allowed - Paul didn't even add a "but".

Joshua David · May 13, 2011

lastsecman said:
Another fact about salvation that people should be very fearful about is, people can lose the saving grace given to them by God.
Because God very seriously warned people in the Bible, that if people do not obey and act out his commands, then on judgement day, their salvation will be taken away from them, and their ending will be like the endings of evil wicked people, which is to be thrown into the eternal hellfire of torment.

I totally disagree with this statement. During the age of Grace, otherwise known as the church age, I believe that God will not take away his grace. We didn't earn it with our works, and we don't maintain it with our works. Now, I do believe that the Saints in the Old Testament could have lost their salvation, as well as Saints during the Tribulation can lose their Salvation, but while the church is on the earth... I do not believe so. I believe that you can be saved, and later still reject that salvation, but if this is done, then I believe you are damned without hope of reconciliation with Christ.

Joshua David

Thankful 1 · May 13, 2011

jiggyfly said:
Context is something to be considered when trying to gain understanding. This is a letter to Hebrew believers, so it is a help to keep this in mind when reading the whole letter.

Look at what is said in the first couple of verses in the same chapter.

The old system under the law of Moses was only a shadow, a dim preview of the good things to come, not the good things themselves. The sacrifices under that system were repeated again and again, year after year, but they were never able to provide perfect cleansing for those who came to worship. If they could have provided perfect cleansing, the sacrifices would have stopped, for the worshipers would have been purified once for all time, and their feelings of guilt would have disappeared. But instead, those sacrifices actually reminded them of their sins year after year. For it is not possible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Hebrews 10:1-4

(Romans 8: 5-8) “Your stubborn refusal to repent is only adding to the anger God will have towards you on that day of anger when his just judgments will be made known. He will repay each one as his works deserve. For those who sought renown and honour and immortality by always doing good there will be eternal life; for the unsubmissive who refused to take truth for their guide and took depravity instead, there will be anger and fury.”

Thankful 1 · May 13, 2011

jiggyfly said:
Context is something to be considered when trying to gain understanding. This is a letter to Hebrew believers, so it is a help to keep this in mind when reading the whole letter.

Look at what is said in the first couple of verses in the same chapter.

The old system under the law of Moses was only a shadow, a dim preview of the good things to come, not the good things themselves. The sacrifices under that system were repeated again and again, year after year, but they were never able to provide perfect cleansing for those who came to worship. If they could have provided perfect cleansing, the sacrifices would have stopped, for the worshipers would have been purified once for all time, and their feelings of guilt would have disappeared. But instead, those sacrifices actually reminded them of their sins year after year. For it is not possible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins. Hebrews 10:1-4

Do you really believe the Holy Spirit had Hebrews included in the written Word of God, so we could see what some one wrote to the Jews?

You should know that the Bible is not a history book.

What is in the written Word of God is speaking to us. You’re in context, does not change that we were told; that if one knows God and deliberately sins there is no repentance for that person.

Joshua David · May 13, 2011

Thankful 1 said:
Do you really believe the Holy Spirit had Hebrews included in the written Word of God, so we could see what some one wrote to the Jews?

You should know that the Bible is not a history book.

What is in the written Word of God is speaking to us. You’re in context, does not change that we were told; that if one knows God and deliberately sins there is no repentance for that person.

While everything that is in the bible is useful for our understanding, not everything in the bible applies to us. The best example that I can think of is the Law. We do not stone people who commit adultery even though that is in the bible. And as far as the bible not being a history book, I would disagree with that statement, it is a history book, a prophecy book, a guide book, and other books. It is the living Word of God.

Joshua David

Thankful 1 · May 13, 2011

Joshua David said:
While everything that is in the bible is useful for our understanding, not everything in the bible applies to us. The best example that I can think of is the Law. We do not stone people who commit adultery even though that is in the bible. And as far as the bible not being a history book, I would disagree with that statement, it is a history book, a prophecy book, a guide book, and other books. It is the living Word of God.

Joshua David

That is right the Christian bible is the living Word of God, and we are to live by that Word.

I am a Christian and I live by the Word that was completed by Jesus.

The Old Law was completed and has passed away, so is no longer needed.

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