We are saved by God's grace, and by our faith towards God, but REMEMBER...

Joshua David · May 13, 2011

Thankful 1 said:
That is right the Christian bible is the living Word of God, and we are to live by that Word.

I am a Christian and I live by the Word that was completed by Jesus.

The Old Law was completed and has passed away, so is no longer needed.

I do not believe that the book of Hebrews was written to the Christian church. I believe it was written to the Hebrews that will be left behind during the Tribulation. I do not believe that the Church is the "Spiritual Israel". I do not believe that the Christian church is the "Lost 10 tribes" of Israel, which I believe were never lost to begin with. I believe that the Church is the bride of Christ and consists of only those Saints who were saved between The Day of Pentecost, spoken of in Acts 2, and will end during the pretribulation rapture.

Therefore, I do not believe that the book of Hebrews doctrinally applies to us. Now I want everyone to notice, that I am saying that "I believe..." with all these statements. I am not claiming that this statement is the ultimate truth, but this is what I believe to be true. I do not believe it is possible to properly understand the bible without properly understanding the different dispensations, and the different covenants that the dispensations are derived from.

I am not trying to convince anyone here of this.. I am just throwing in my two cents.

Joshua David

Joshua David

Thankful 1 · May 13, 2011

Joshua David said:
I do not believe that the book of Hebrews was written to the Christian church. I believe it was written to the Hebrews that will be left behind during the Tribulation. I do not believe that the Church is the "Spiritual Israel". I do not believe that the Christian church is the "Lost 10 tribes" of Israel, which I believe were never lost to begin with. I believe that the Church is the bride of Christ and consists of only those Saints who were saved between The Day of Pentecost, spoken of in Acts 2, and will end during the pretribulation rapture.

Therefore, I do not believe that the book of Hebrews doctrinally applies to us. Now I want everyone to notice, that I am saying that "I believe..." with all these statements. I am not claiming that this statement is the ultimate truth, but this is what I believe to be true. I do not believe it is possible to properly understand the bible without properly understanding the different dispensations, and the different covenants that the dispensations are derived from.

I am not trying to convince anyone here of this.. I am just throwing in my two cents.

Joshua David

Joshua David

You know something, it does not matter what you believe. The Holy Spirit had Hebrews included in the New Testament Bible, and that was done so by Christians. That makes it a Word to Christians.

Does it matter whom John, Peter, James, Paul were writing to, does it mean that it was meant only for those people?

The Holy Spirit had man include what God wanted for us to know, in the bible. What a cop out it is to say, because one does not like what some letter in the bible says, that it was written to blank, blank, so it does not relate to me. So one builds his or her theology by what verses please them.

If the Holy Spirit had it included, then it is talking to us.

Joshua David · May 13, 2011

Thankful 1 said:
You know something, it does not matter what you believe. The Holy Spirit had Hebrews included in the New Testament Bible, and that was done so by Christians. That makes it a Word to Christians.

Does it matter whom John, Peter, James, Paul were writing to, does it mean that it was meant only for those people?

The Holy Spirit had man include what God wanted for us to know, in the bible. What a cop out it is to say, because one does not like what some letter in the bible says, that it was written to blank, blank, so it does not relate to me. So one builds his or her theology by what verses please them.

If the Holy Spirit had it included, then it is talking to us.

You are right in that what I believe has no bearing on you, just as what you believe has no bearing on me. I do not dispute that the the Holy Spirit included the book of Hebrews in the bible, but I do disagree that just because it is in the New Testament, that it automatically makes it a word to Christians.

Also I would like for you to show where I stated that I did not like what the book of Hebrews said. I love the entire bible, and I believe that the whole bible is useful for us, even if some of it does not doctrinally apply to us. I do not pick and choose what to follow, but base what I believe on a careful study of the word. The Holy Spirit had the Old Testament included in the bible as well. That does not mean that the Old Testament applies to us.

Now I may be wrong.. and I can admit this. Something that I feel you would be hard pressed to do as well. But as a student of the word, I am constantly learning, constantly studying, and if necessary changing my view of how I see the bible.

Another reason that I disagree with your interpretation is quite frankly, your attitude. You want to sit there and judge me, like I am less of a Christian just because I have reached a different interpretation than you. If I am wrong, then I pray that God will show me my error, but that is His Job, not yours.

Joshua David

banjo71 · May 13, 2011

Good for you, Josh David. You speak the truth here, I believe.

Thankful 1 · May 13, 2011

Joshua David said:
You are right in that what I believe has no bearing on you, just as what you believe has no bearing on me. I do not dispute that the the Holy Spirit included the book of Hebrews in the bible, but I do disagree that just because it is in the New Testament, that it automatically makes it a word to Christians.

Also I would like for you to show where I stated that I did not like what the book of Hebrews said. I love the entire bible, and I believe that the whole bible is useful for us, even if some of it does not doctrinally apply to us. I do not pick and choose what to follow, but base what I believe on a careful study of the word. The Holy Spirit had the Old Testament included in the bible as well. That does not mean that the Old Testament applies to us.

Now I may be wrong.. and I can admit this. Something that I feel you would be hard pressed to do as well. But as a student of the word, I am constantly learning, constantly studying, and if necessary changing my view of how I see the bible.

Another reason that I disagree with your interpretation is quite frankly, your attitude. You want to sit there and judge me, like I am less of a Christian just because I have reached a different interpretation than you. If I am wrong, then I pray that God will show me my error, but that is His Job, not yours.

Joshua David

Wow! I judged you by disagreeing with you?

I will share something with you. Jesus personally told me the Bible was his written Word. Jesus has sat next to me and had me open the bible to teach me.

I am not a student of the written Word. My teachings come from the Holy Spirit, and Jesus.

I read the Word every day, and listen to it while I drive anywhere. I know the Word, but let Jesus teach me what the Word means.

Man has twisted the Word to mean just what pleases him or her.

Duckybill · May 14, 2011

Thankful 1 said:
I am not a student of the written Word.

That's why Satan deceived you. You are being taught by Satan, not the Jesus of the Bible.

Thankful 1 · May 14, 2011

Duckybill said:
That's why Satan deceived you. You are being taught by Satan, not the Jesus of the Bible.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”

goodshepard55 · May 14, 2011

Mercy...Thankful 1 ....If the Lord Jesus were teaching you, honey....You would have turned the other cheek, and not come back with a scripture, that IMHO you use to call someone names, because they did not agree with you...Lord Jesus, I bind that Spirit of Pride, and ask that You destroy it and send it back to hell.....Amen.....

Thankful 1 · May 14, 2011

Shep said:
Mercy...Thankful 1 ....If the Lord Jesus were teaching you, honey....You would have turned the other cheek, and not come back with a scripture, that IMHO you use to call someone names, because they did not agree with you...Lord Jesus, I bind that Spirit of Pride, and ask that You destroy it and send it back to hell.....Amen.....

You dare judge me? Do you know what motivated me to quote that verse? Of course you don’t, but you can assume what you please, can’t you?

That verse was to show everyone that those who sin would not enter the Kingdom of God. People use their misunderstanding of scripture, Paul especially, to justify and make themselves righteous. I want people to see that Paul did not agree that one who sins will get to Heaven.

Duckybill · May 14, 2011

Thankful 1 said:
(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”

This is referring to those who live sinful lives. Not someone who commits a sin.

goodshepard55 · May 14, 2011

What you don't understand is WE ALL sin daily...even you..even Paul wrestled with his flesh....We die to the flesh a little more each day...we sin less each day...we are not perfect, nor will we be until we are glorified with Christ in Heaven.....Darling it is okay, if you are having difficulty understanding we all sin...I sin ...you sin....The thing is my Father, will forgive me if I truly repent and ask Him to change me...But it is okay to disagree also...Love to you Thankful 1....May the blessings of the Lord flow over you....

Thankful 1 · May 14, 2011

Duckybill said:
This is referring to those who live sinful lives. Not someone who commits a sin.

Now that is interesting, who told you that? Show me in Scripture where it explain what you believe? Do you know Jesus said: (Matthew 5:27-30) “You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

You notice Jesus said: “If your right eye causes you to sin” Jesus did not say sins. One sin can lose one a place in the Kingdom of God.

Hebrews tells us the same thing. (Hebrews 10:26) “If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them. There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies.

Notice it says any sins?

Duckybill · May 15, 2011

Thankful 1 said:
You notice Jesus said: “If your right eye causes you to sin” Jesus did not say sins. One sin can lose one a place in the Kingdom of God.

Matthew 7:2-3 (ESV) 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

You reckon all the 12 Apostles are in Hell for forsaking Jesus?

goodshepard55 · May 15, 2011

LOL...Duckybill...I think they might be at the right side of the Father....right along side the Lord Jesus...Good point...

Duckybill · May 15, 2011

Shep said:
LOL...Duckybill...I think they might be at the right side of the Father....right along side the Lord Jesus...Good point...

Hi Shep. Hope you and yours are doing well!

Thankful 1 · May 15, 2011

Duckybill said:
Matthew 7:2-3 (ESV) 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

You reckon all the 12 Apostles are in Hell for forsaking Jesus?

Now that is a good point. A point that I can use to explain what a difference an indwelling of the Holy Spirit gives one.

Before the apostles received the Holy Spirit, they did not have the ability to fight Satan/sin/fear. After receiving the Holy Spirit the apostles walked in power. Power over Satan/sin/fear.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”

lastsecman · May 26, 2011

Currently following the just believing way without fear of not following all of God's commandments, feels good, so I guess the whole post I posted above would be wrong. So! If anyone had read it just ignore it, apologies!

lastsecman · Aug 28, 2011

I suppose that as we love God more only then are we able and willing to obey his commandments, so we must love God more everyday.

Jake · Aug 28, 2011

Shep said:
What you don't understand is WE ALL sin daily...even you..even Paul wrestled with his flesh....We die to the flesh a little more each day...we sin less each day...we are not perfect, nor will we be until we are glorified with Christ in Heaven.....Darling it is okay, if you are having difficulty understanding we all sin...I sin ...you sin....The thing is my Father, will forgive me if I truly repent and ask Him to change me...But it is okay to disagree also...Love to you Thankful 1....May the blessings of the Lord flow over you....

When Paul is speaking of wrestling with his flesh, if you read further he asks what the answer is and he says - Jesus! We do not have to sin! God has told us that He gives us a way out of temptation, and if we DO sin, when we ask for forgiveness, He is faithful and will forgive us. We can only have one master, either sin rules us or He rules us. He is sanctifying us and as we mature, our sin becomes less and less, Jesus is our perfector! The Bible tells us to be Holy as He is Holy, be perfect as our Father in heaven is holy. We are called Saints, not sinners. We are conforming to His image. It is no longer I, but Christ living in us and as we abide in Christ, He is the overcomer, we are overcomers in Christ!

The Lord bless you Shep.

Prentis · Aug 28, 2011

Good word, brother.

I think we must be carefull not to deny the power of Christ. When the word says 'With God, nothing is impossible' and 'I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me', do we believe it?

The Gospel has power. We should not simply rely on our experience, but rather believe that what the Lord says is possible. Otherwise how is our faith any greater than the world, if we only believe what we can see, feel, smell, etc, as they do?

We are saved by God's grace, and by our faith towards God, but REMEMBER...

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