Don’t fool yourself into believing that one party or ideology represents Jesus more than another.

amadeus · Nov 18, 2021

McFearless said:
I’m a Danish Christian telling Christians in democratic countries not to worship their democracy or their political leaders. If you had taken the time to read the main post, you’d know that I am Danish. The post is also not for Americans it’s for Christians. Did you think Christianityboard is only for Americans. Sorry buddy.

I am with you on this, but not many are hearing what you are saying. The confusion we spoke about before does, I believe, exist.

People are too often more interested in saving this society and/or this government and/or their personal comfort zones that they are is accomplishing God's will.

amadeus · Nov 18, 2021

FluffyYellowDuck said:
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I am not a gun person. Haven't shot a gun since I was a teenager and that was because I was out in the country and that's what you did. But I believe people have the right to.

Similarly I have never owned a gun, myself. When I was in the army they taught me to use one and in Viet Nam even a machine gun, but I have never had a desire to own one. Is there a need? Not to fight God's battles, I do not believe. However, I would not push my way on others. They must follow what is in their own hearts. I sincerely pray that their hearts hold what God would desire for them.

But I will say that if they stopped talking so much about that and focused more on Christ, I believe they would be healed faster.

Amen!

amadeus · Nov 18, 2021

FluffyYellowDuck said:
@Truth7t7 I'm not sure if you don't feel uncomfortable or if I'm antsy because I had too much coffee, but I will tell you that I strongly believe it was rigged.

Which means no matter your vote, we can't fully depend on it, we have to fully depend on God.

Proverbs 16:33
"We may throw the dice, but the Lord determines how they fall."

Vote Jesus Christ first. Always. And if it doesn't turn out as we had hoped, we can trust that God will use it for His good.

"And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." Rom 8:28

Aunty Jane · Nov 18, 2021

1 John 5:19....
"We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one."
Do we see any exceptions here....? Is there any part of this world that is not under the control of the evil one?

That means that there is a reason why Jesus told us to be "no part of the world".....his Kingdom is not from this world. (John 18:36)
It never will be....it is from heaven...from God....free from the corruption of sinful man and the evil one controlling him.

kcnalp · Nov 19, 2021

Romans 13:1 (NKJV)
1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

Stalin? Hitler? Saddam? Yes indeed!

Curtis · Nov 19, 2021

No born again believer would vote Democrat today. This isn’t the sixties.

Today the democrat party is pro abortion, anti family values, and anti American, pro socialist.

Curtis · Nov 19, 2021

Aunty Jane said:
1 John 5:19....
"We know that we are from God, and the whole world lies in the power of the evil one."
Do we see any exceptions here....? Is there any part of this world that is not under the control of the evil one?

That means that there is a reason why Jesus told us to be "no part of the world".....his Kingdom is not from this world. (John 18:36)
It never will be....it is from heaven...from God....free from the corruption of sinful man and the evil one controlling him.

Nazi germany, the Holocaust with 14 million deaths, and WW2 with 50 million deaths is the perfect example of the church and Christians in Germany doing nothing.

Truth7t7 · Nov 19, 2021

kcnalp said:
Romans 13:1 (NKJV)
1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

Stalin? Hitler? Saddam? Yes indeed!

It appears that the three below defied the orders of the King, when it was against the words of God?

Daniel 3:16-18KJV
16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.
17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.

Sorta like Chinas mandate to abort all children over a determined number?

Genesis 1:28KJV
28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Women 'tied like pigs,' forced abortions part of China's 'one-child policy,' doc shows
Published August 8, 2019 FoxNews

Enoch111 · Nov 19, 2021

Curtis said:
Today the democrat party is pro abortion, anti family values, and anti American, pro socialist.

That is putting it mildly. So what is the true nature of the demon-controlled Democrat party in America? It is Communist/Fascist/Racist/Anarchist/Satanist. If you do not believe this, take a good hard look and what they have been up to since 2008.

Aunty Jane · Nov 19, 2021

Curtis said:
Nazi germany, the Holocaust with 14 million deaths, and WW2 with 50 million deaths is the perfect example of the church and Christians in Germany doing nothing.

Would it surprise you to know that Daniel foretold that the dictators of this world would not succeed?
When “Christians” on one side of the conflict were killing “Christians” on the other side....whose side was God taking?
Since Jesus taught us to love our enemies, (Matthew 5:43-44) NO genuine Christian would have even been part of the military, let alone partaking in the bloodshed. We cannot fight and kill our own brethren. (1 John 4:20-21)

Jesus leaves us in no doubt that we should have NO involvement in politics. He himself did not meddle in the political situation of his day even though his people were oppressed by the Roman Empire. He did not encourage his disciples to be politically minded either because he knew who the ruler of this world was. (Luke 4:5-7)

Since all things concerning the end times are foretold, God is in control...he does not need us to shed blood in order for his will to be done. (Isaiah 1:15)

Truth7t7 · Nov 19, 2021

Aunty Jane said:
Would it surprise you to know that Daniel foretold that the dictators of this world would not succeed?
When “Christians” on one side of the conflict were killing “Christians” on the other side....whose side was God taking?
Since Jesus taught us to love our enemies, (Matthew 5:43-44) NO genuine Christian would have even been part of the military, let alone partaking in the bloodshed. We cannot fight and kill our own brethren. (1 John 4:20-21)

Jesus leaves us in no doubt that we should have NO involvement in politics. He himself did not meddle in the political situation of his day even though his people were oppressed by the Roman Empire. He did not encourage his disciples to be politically minded either because he knew who the ruler of this world was. (Luke 4:5-7)

Since all things concerning the end times are foretold, God is in control...he does not need us to shed blood in order for his will to be done. (Isaiah 1:15)

Sounds like teachings found in the Jehovahs Witness, no blood transfusion to save a childs life, no military, no voting,

kcnalp · Nov 19, 2021

Aunty Jane said:
Would it surprise you to know that Daniel foretold that the dictators of this world would not succeed?
When “Christians” on one side of the conflict were killing “Christians” on the other side....whose side was God taking?
Since Jesus taught us to love our enemies, (Matthew 5:43-44) NO genuine Christian would have even been part of the military, let alone partaking in the bloodshed. We cannot fight and kill our own brethren. (1 John 4:20-21)

Jesus leaves us in no doubt that we should have NO involvement in politics. He himself did not meddle in the political situation of his day even though his people were oppressed by the Roman Empire. He did not encourage his disciples to be politically minded either because he knew who the ruler of this world was. (Luke 4:5-7)

Since all things concerning the end times are foretold, God is in control...he does not need us to shed blood in order for his will to be done. (Isaiah 1:15)

Satan is clearly in charge of governments. Government is filled with lawyers/liars and professional thieves, stealing BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars.

Luke 4:5-6 (NKJV)
5 Then the devil, taking Him up on a high mountain, showed Him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time.
6 And the devil said to Him, "All this authority I will give You, and their glory; for this has been delivered to me, and I give it to whomever I wish.

Curtis · Nov 19, 2021

Aunty Jane said:
Since Jesus taught us to love our enemies, (Matthew 5:43-44) NO genuine Christian would have even been part of the military, let alone partaking in the bloodshed. We cannot fight and kill our own brethren. (1 John 4:20-21)

Jesus leaves us in no doubt that we should have NO involvement in politics. He himself did not meddle in the political situation of his day even though his people were oppressed by the Roman Empire. He did not encourage his disciples to be politically minded either because he knew who the ruler of this world was. (Luke 4:5-7)

You are completely unlearned in this area.

In the old covenant, which has a command that says thou shalt not kill, God sent out Israel to wipe out entire evil cities, and kill every man, woman, and child, plus had the death penalty for breaking the law, of being stoned to death by the Israelis.

That is not a contradiction- the individual had no authority to decide who to kill, But the governing bodies of judges had that authority.

God ha# always authorized human governments to enforce laws, and deal with evil doers and law breakers, and to fight wars against evil, and that is still true in the new covenant.

1Pe 2:13 Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme;

1Pe 2:14 Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

1Pe 2:15
that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:

1Pe 2:16 As free, and not using your liberty for a cloke of maliciousness, but as the servants of God.

1Pe 2:17 Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the king.

Also Jesus commended two Roman soldiers for their faith - missing from what Jesus told them, is His telling them they were doing wrong by being centurions and that they had to stop being in the military, and become pacifists.

Ecclesiastes, which JWs love to quote about soul sleep, is ignored by them where it says there’s a season and time for everything under heaven, A TIME FOR WAR and a time for peace, a time to heal and A TIME TO KILL.

Romans 13 states we are to submit to the governing authorities as they fight against evil doers, for they are ministers of God who use a sword to fight evil. That includes wars when needed, like WW2.

Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

Rom 13:4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Rom 13:5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

There’s no requirement for pacifism in scripture, or to sit on the couch and let evil take over the nation, because of ignorance of all that scripture says on the topic.

McFearless · Nov 19, 2021

kcnalp said:
Romans 13:1 (NKJV)
1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God.

Stalin? Hitler? Saddam? Yes indeed!

The same goes for (baby killer) Herod and the (baby killer) Pharaoh.
If people are angry at their Christian brothers or sisters for not voting, or not voting agains abortions, it’s time to direct your anger at God.
God can handle it, he will turn your anger into joy.

Truth7t7 · Nov 19, 2021

McFearless said:
The same goes for (baby killer) Herod and the (baby killer) Pharaoh.
If people are angry at their Christian brothers or sisters for not voting, or not voting agains abortions, it’s time to direct your anger at God.
God can handle it, he will turn your anger into joy.

Simple Questions, with a simple answer of yes/no will do, thanks

1. Do you oppose (Abortion) in killing the innocent unborn?

2. Do you oppose (Same Sex Marriage)?

Naomanos · Nov 19, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Get Out And Vote Republican, Trump 2024

Yeah, no thanks! Along with DeSantis, I will be voting to vote one out and to keep the other out of office.

Before you accuse me of being a liberal, I am actually a moderate, and will vote for any candidate that I feel represents my interests.

Neither DeSantis or Trump represent my interests currently as much as other candidates have and do at this time.

McFearless · Nov 19, 2021

Truth7t7 said:
Simple Questions, with a simple answer of yes/no will do, thanks

1. Do you oppose (Abortion) in killing the innocent unborn?

2. Do you oppose (Same Sex Marriage)?

1. Yes! I oppose it, just like I oppose baby killing, war, murder, greed, selfishness, stealing, rape etc.

2. I don’t actually believe that it is possible for two men to marry, regardless of what any government says or what religion other people might practice. So I disagree with the premise of your question. If you’re asking me if I believe that it’s a sin to have gay sex,? Yes, I believe that it’s a sin to have gay sex, just like it’s a sin to call your brother a fool or an idiot (that’s murder). Everything that does not come from faith is sin.
I disagree that we in some way can maximize good or suppress sin through our democratic system. I also don’t believe that one should be convicted of murder, for calling ones brother an idiot in our justice system. I believe that’s a private matter that only concerns One, One’s brother and God.

We are happy with our freedom to practice our faith that our governments offer, it would simply be hypocritical of us to infringe on other people’s right to practice their faith. It’s certainly not a way to convince them that our God is a loving and forgiving God.

amadeus · Nov 19, 2021

McFearless said:
The same goes for (baby killer) Herod and the (baby killer) Pharaoh.
If people are angry at their Christian brothers or sisters for not voting, or not voting agains abortions, it’s time to direct your anger at God.
God can handle it, he will turn your anger into joy.

Amen! Who are we to follow and when and how far?

Paul wrote these words:

"Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." I Cor 11:1

"They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's." Matt 22:21

What really does belong to Caesar? What really does Not belong to God? Does any man own anything... or are not each of us simply stewards for the owner, who is God?

Should we follow the devil into a ditch or seeing and hearing from God should we turn aside?

"Then came his disciples, and said unto him, Knowest thou that the Pharisees were offended, after they heard this saying?
But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath not planted, shall be rooted up.
Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch" Matt 15:12-14

"And the ass saw the angel of the LORD standing in the way, and his sword drawn in his hand: and the ass turned aside out of the way, and went into the field: and Balaam smote the ass, to turn her into the way." Numbers 22:23

The ass was seeing more clearly than the man!

Wrangler · Nov 19, 2021

McFearless said:
We are happy with our freedom to practice our faith that our governments offer, it would simply be hypocritical of us to infringe on other people’s right to practice their faith.

You keep confusing faith with politics.

McFearless · Nov 19, 2021

@amadeus
Exactly!
Jesus could have cast that first stone, since he is without sin, but he didn’t. He wasn’t here to condemn the world (John 3:17), why would we think we should condemn the world?

Don’t fool yourself into believing that one party or ideology represents Jesus more than another.

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