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T1 has greatly confused 'committing a sin' and 'living in sin'. Anyone who professes to have lived for 30 years without committing a sin is too busy looking at others' sins to see his own. That's self-righteousness, which is a sin.

(1Corinthians 2:15-16)”[sup] [/sup]The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment”





(Matthew 7:1-5) Stop judging, that you may not be judged. For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you. Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye? You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye.”



(1 Corinthians 4:1-5) “ So then, men ought to regard us as servants of Christ and as those entrusted with the secret things of God. Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait till the Lord comes. He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of men's hearts. At that time each will receive his praise from God.”



(Romans 8: 5-8) “Your stubborn refusal to repent is only adding to the anger God will have towards you on that day of anger when his just judgments will be made known. He will repay each one as his works deserve. For those who sought renown and honour and immortality by always doing good there will be eternal life; for the unsubmissive who refused to take truth for their guide and took depravity instead, there will be anger and fury.”
 

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[Do you really think that our spirits and bodies are separate from one another? Don’t you realize that we will get a new body after this one dies? How else could the apostles drink the new wine with Jesus in Heaven?[/font][/b]

You want to believe that one’s body is to take all the blame for sin?

What a cop out, that thinking is.

I did not do any thing wrong that was just my body; it did not belong to my spirit. I really feel sorry for those who have to face God with that excuse.

You really need to study Romans 7.

Romans 7:14-25
14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.
16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good.

17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.

19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.

20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.

22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

25 I thank God — through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
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You really need to study Romans 7.

Romans 7:14-25
14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.
15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do.
16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good.

17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find.

19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.

20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me.
21 I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good.

22 For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man.

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?

25 I thank God — through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
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I don’t need to study Romans seven or eight, because Jesus taught them to me.



You should understand what Paul was telling us. Paul was explaining in Romans seven just how impossible it is for one not to sin.



Paul goes one to tell us in Romans eight just how easy it is to defeat Satan/sin. Paul told us if one is led by the Holy Spirit he or she will be in no danger from Satan.



(Galatians 5:16) “Let me put it like this if you are guided by the Spirit you will be in no danger of yielding to self-indulgence....”.
 

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Like all that teach works, you mis-use the scriptures because you are wanting to support your own idea. The Sheep and Goat judgement is a judgement on the Gentile world concerning how they, the Gentiles, treated the Jews during the 7 year tribulation. Those that teach otherwise want to use this as a judgement on Christians under grace. They fail to acknowledge that those "IN CHRIST" were judged as sinless when the were born again and placed "IN CHRIST" by the Holy Spirit.

-- Matt. 25:41-46 (the sheep and the goats) has absolutely NOTHING to do with what you claim. No Thing.

A simple perusal of the chapter, taking it in context proves that.

I would ask you to support that claim with scripture (or any other form of proof) but I know that you can not.

You are currently writing fiction.






Are you jealous that someone who sins in the flesh and does not work can go to heaven while you think you must work? I think Jesus told a story about those who were dissatified because those that came late got the same pay as they did.

-- Some have lived their whole lives with Jesus while others sincerely repent on their deathbed after a life of incredible sin and are literally Christians for just a few minutes before they die. Both are saved joint-heirs of Jesus Christ.
The same "pay" you are talking about is eternal Salvation.

However:
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works." - Matt 16:27

Jesus has called us as Christians to do specific things. Preaching the Gospel to all nations, for example. He called us to care for widows and orphans.

Translation: Jesus expects you to do more than sit and mark off the days of the calendar until His return.
He is going to ask you what you have done to help bring people to the Salvation you yourself have been given.

God's says this, not me. You can of course continue to ignore what God says...






When a person places ALL their faith, trust, and confidence in the blood of Jesus Christ to cover their sins it is obvious to me they are doing it for a reason, and that reason is that they know they sin everyday. Repentance is not a ritual.

-- Repentence is not a ritual? Funny, Jesus thought it was important to ask for forgiveness of our sins every time we pray.

When asked how we should pray he said, "Pray this way" and then gave us what is known today as the Lord's prayer.

Just a samplin' for ya: "And forgive us our sins as we have forgiven those who have sinned against us."


But according to you, Jesus was wrong. You feel we only have to say that and mean it ONCE and we are golden.
 

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You keep on believing that works will not get one to the Kingdom of God,but you better know the evil deeds/sin will never allow one to enter theKingdom of God.



(Matthew 25:31-46)"Whenthe Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit onhis throne in heavenly glory. All the nations will be gathered before him, andhe will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheepfrom the goats. He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

"Then the Kingwill say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; takeyour inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gaveme something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothesand you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and youcame to visit me.' "Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did wesee you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? Whendid we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see yousick or in prison and go to visit you?'

"The King willreply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of thesebrothers of mine, you did for me.'"Then he will say to those on his left,'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for thedevil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I wasthirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did notinvite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and inprison and you did not look after me.'

"They also willanswer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needingclothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?'

"He will reply, 'Itell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, youdid not do for me.'

"Then they will goaway to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."






Mercy darling....Works will not get you to heaven..if you are doing them with the sole purpose to get there...We do works in a servants heart, we are appointed by the Lord God Almighty to do things for Him, in His strength, for His purpose...When we do works in the appointment from God, they are not works but pure joy and peace, we do them with a joyous heart...When we do works to get to heaven they are a burden, unfruitful, and choke the life out of us....Anyway....those that do no works will get in to heaven....For once we accept Christ as our Lord and Savior, we get there....We repent for the daily sins we commit, we ask Him to change us....However...we are righteous, for He is righteous, we are Holy for He is Holy....

Hebrew 10:10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrew 10:
17 Then he adds: "Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more."
18 And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin.
19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus,

Eph.1:
4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love
5 he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will--
6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.
7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace
8 that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding.

Be blessed and love to you
 

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-- Matt. 25:41-46 (the sheep and the goats) has absolutely NOTHING to do with what you claim. No Thing.

A simple perusal of the chapter, taking it in context proves that.

I would ask you to support that claim with scripture (or any other form of proof) but I know that you can not.

You are currently writing fiction.








-- Some have lived their whole lives with Jesus while others sincerely repent on their deathbed after a life of incredible sin and are literally Christians for just a few minutes before they die. Both are saved joint-heirs of Jesus Christ.
The same "pay" you are talking about is eternal Salvation.

However:
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works." - Matt 16:27

Jesus has called us as Christians to do specific things. Preaching the Gospel to all nations, for example. He called us to care for widows and orphans.

Translation: Jesus expects you to do more than sit and mark off the days of the calendar until His return.
He is going to ask you what you have done to help bring people to the Salvation you yourself have been given.

God's says this, not me. You can of course continue to ignore what God says...








-- Repentence is not a ritual? Funny, Jesus thought it was important to ask for forgiveness of our sins every time we pray.

When asked how we should pray he said, "Pray this way" and then gave us what is known today as the Lord's prayer.

Just a samplin' for ya: "And forgive us our sins as we have forgiven those who have sinned against us."


But according to you, Jesus was wrong. You feel we only have to say that and mean it ONCE and we are golden.

It seems to me that you would make a good Jew. To bad God took the Temple away, right?
 

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Mercy darling....Works will not get you to heaven..if you are doing them with the sole purpose to get there...We do works in a servants heart, we are appointed by the Lord God Almighty to do things for Him, in His strength, for His purpose...When we do works in the appointment from God, they are not works but pure joy and peace, we do them with a joyous heart...When we do works to get to heaven they are a burden, unfruitful, and choke the life out of us....Anyway....those that do no works will get in to heaven....For once we accept Christ as our Lord and Savior, we get there....We repent for the daily sins we commit, we ask Him to change us....However...we are righteous, for He is righteous, we are Holy for He is Holy....

Hebrew 10:10 And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrew 10:
17 Then he adds: "Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more."
18 And where these have been forgiven, there is no longer any sacrifice for sin.
19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus,

Eph.1:
4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love
5 he predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will--
6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves.
7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God's grace
8 that he lavished on us with all wisdom and understanding.

Be blessed and love to you


Sinners of course are willing to believe that Jesus came to ignore all man’s sin from his death on. Sinners are scared to understand that Jesus forgave all sins a person did before receiving the Holy Spirit, and coming to know God.



(1 John 3:9) “No one, who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.”



(1 John 3:8) “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work”
 

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-- Matt. 25:41-46 (the sheep and the goats) has absolutely NOTHING to do with what you claim. No Thing.

A simple perusal of the chapter, taking it in context proves that.

I would ask you to support that claim with scripture (or any other form of proof) but I know that you can not.

You are currently writing fiction.








-- Some have lived their whole lives with Jesus while others sincerely repent on their deathbed after a life of incredible sin and are literally Christians for just a few minutes before they die. Both are saved joint-heirs of Jesus Christ.
The same "pay" you are talking about is eternal Salvation.

However:
"For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works." - Matt 16:27

Jesus has called us as Christians to do specific things. Preaching the Gospel to all nations, for example. He called us to care for widows and orphans.

Translation: Jesus expects you to do more than sit and mark off the days of the calendar until His return.
He is going to ask you what you have done to help bring people to the Salvation you yourself have been given.

God's says this, not me. You can of course continue to ignore what God says...








-- Repentence is not a ritual? Funny, Jesus thought it was important to ask for forgiveness of our sins every time we pray.

When asked how we should pray he said, "Pray this way" and then gave us what is known today as the Lord's prayer.

Just a samplin' for ya: "And forgive us our sins as we have forgiven those who have sinned against us."


But according to you, Jesus was wrong. You feel we only have to say that and mean it ONCE and we are golden.


(Matthew 6:9-11) “So you should pray like this:’ Our Father in heaven, may your name be held holy, your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as in heaven. Give us today our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we have forgiven those who are in debt to us. And do not put us to the test, but save us from the evil one. (Jerusalem Bible)



(Matthew 6:9-13) “After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread. And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.” King James version.

 

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All people want to read and accept are the verses that refer to those who are at best baby Christians. Those people will continue to sin. Why does everyone want to find and excuse to sin instead of discovering how to become perfect as Jesus called Christians to be?


(1 Corinthians 3:1-3) “Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ. What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual. Isn’t that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people?”


(Romans 6:2-4) “How can we who died to sin yet live in it?

Or are you unaware that we who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were indeed buried with him through baptism into death, so that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might live in newness of life.”

Yeah, that's great. But you neglected to answer my questions...which I find interesting...All your dancing around and quoting verses cannot do away with these underlying claims you are making...so address them outright...you really need to, to get people to actually listen to what you are saying.

Do you sin...at all?
Do you consider yourself perfect?
 

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Thankful1....darling the word tells us we all fall short of the Glory...There was only one perfect and sin free...Jesus Christ...We sin daily with our mind, if not our mouth....As we walk with Him, we sin less, but will only be perfect when we sit with Him in Glory....

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Romans 3:
22 even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
24 being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;

We all have sinned....
 

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I don’t need to study Romans seven or eight, because Jesus taught them to me. You should understand what Paul was telling us. Paul was explaining in Romans seven just how impossible it is for one not to sin. Paul goes one to tell us in Romans eight just how easy it is to defeat Satan/sin. Paul told us if one is led by the Holy Spirit he or she will be in no danger from Satan. (Galatians 5:16) “Let me put it like this if you are guided by the Spirit you will be in no danger of yielding to self-indulgence....”.
You don't need to study the Bible? That's why you are so confused. You believe that Jesus is teaching you when it may be Satan.
 

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Yeah, that's great. But you neglected to answer my questions...which I find interesting...All your dancing around and quoting verses cannot do away with these underlying claims you are making...so address them outright...you really need to, to get people to actually listen to what you are saying.

Do you sin...at all?
Do you consider yourself perfect?

(1John 5:17) “Every kind of wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly.”



My understanding of a sin that is deadly is a sin that a person who know God deliberately commits.



A deliberate sin is a wrongdoing that a person knows is wrong, is aware that if he or she commits the act, that they are disobeying God. The person then is willing to disobey God.



I have not committed a deliberate sin in over thirty.



A person who knows God can still commit a wrongdoing that is not deadly.



My understanding of a sin that is not deadly is a sin that a person does not willingly commit. These are acts one
can do because he or she is not aware they are wrong. They may be acts that one is not even aware he or she is doing.



(Matthew5:48) “ Be perfect,therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.



Jesus called us to be perfect, and in order to be perfect one needs to live a totally sin free life, A life where one commits no wrongdoing.



The Holy Spirit has been teaching me to become perfect. Only God can judge if and when I achieve that goal.



Just as a footnote, the Holy Spirit is always guiding me, but at times I may do or say something that is not perfect. I may find myself driving over the speed limit,and was not aware of it. I do the wrongdoing before the Holy Spirit has had time to make me aware. But you can be sure that I will be brought to task soon.
 

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For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ, and through him God reconciled everything to himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of Christ's blood on the cross. This includes you who were once far away from God. You were his enemies, separated from him by your evil thoughts and actions. Yet now he has reconciled you to himself through the death of Christ in his physical body. As a result, he has brought you into his own presence, and you are holy and blameless as you stand before him without a single fault. But you must continue to believe this truth and stand firmly in it. Don't drift away from the assurance you received when you heard the Good News. The Good News has been preached all over the world, and I, Paul, have been appointed as God's servant to proclaim it. Col.1:19-23
 

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For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ, and through him God reconciled everything to himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of Christ's blood on the cross. This includes you who were once far away from God. You were his enemies, separated from him by your evil thoughts and actions. Yet now he has reconciled you to himself through the death of Christ in his physical body. As a result, he has brought you into his own presence, and you are holy and blameless as you stand before him without a single fault. But you must continue to believe this truth and stand firmly in it. Don't drift away from the assurance you received when you heard the Good News. The Good News has been preached all over the world, and I, Paul, have been appointed as God's servant to proclaim it. Col.1:19-23

(1 Corinthians 6:9) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God:”



Sin is wrong, and one who sins will not inherit the Kingdom of God!



(Matthew 7:21-23) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”



(Matthew 5:48) “ Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.



(Matthew 5:27-30) “You have heard that it was said, 'Do not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.



(Matthew 7:20) “Any tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down and thrown on the fire.”





(Romans 6: 1-2) “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?



(Romans 6:11) “In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus



(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”



 

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You have indicated that you can make yourself holy. That is the same old "WORKS" theology. Man must complete the work of salvation by his/her works.

Accourding to the scriptures I read, I am no longer under the law of sin and death. I am free.

IMHO, those that think they can make themselves holy by their works are insulting Jesus' work on the cross.

Galatians 3:1-3
Justification by Faith (cf. Romans 4)
1 O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?
2 This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
3 Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?
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How exatly does being obedient equate to insulting Christ?
 

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-- That's the best you can do? I accept your concession.

Funny how actual scripture seems to flummox every point you try to make.


(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”



 

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Works don't gain us our salvation, but they are proof of it.

Sorry Rach....Works are works....doing for God is joy...therefore not works....maybe, we see a different meaning in works, but to me...I enjoy what I do for God daily, He provides all I need to do as He ask, as He has appointed me....I could not do what I do daily, 24/7 without God, and it would be a burden, if He had not appointed me.....The fruit is in the seeds and sowing the Truth into peoples lives....Witnessing to the love of Christ for all...no matter what their religion, or lack of religion....when people ask me why......I tell them .....God has provided this for you..I am just his hands and feet here on earth....
 

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Sorry Rach....Works are works....doing for God is joy...therefore not works....maybe, we see a different meaning in works, but to me...I enjoy what I do for God daily, He provides all I need to do as He ask, as He has appointed me....I could not do what I do daily, 24/7 without God, and it would be a burden, if He had not appointed me.....The fruit is in the seeds and sowing the Truth into peoples lives....Witnessing to the love of Christ for all...no matter what their religion, or lack of religion....when people ask me why......I tell them .....God has provided this for you..I am just his hands and feet here on earth....

Hey Shep. Not exactly sure of your point! So I'll just clarify mine, because I suspect they line up fairly well.
Works, that being anything we do, cannot gain us salvation...that comes from Jesus and Him alone. But once we are saved, once we are renewed within, there are certain evidences of that change. Like the fruit that a Christian should produce, we should also want to do things, good works, as an outpouring of our love for God. In this way it is a proof, and evidence of a new heart. Does that make sense?

We know from what Paul tells us that works will not save us, but we are also told in James that true faith will not be empty...it will come with a true change, that we will have a desire within us to help others. One can have works with no salvation, but the one who is truly saved, should have the goodness of God flowing out of them.

[17] So also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.
[18] But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works.
(James 2:17-18 ESV)


Hope that clears up my thoughts a bit!