All Israel Will Be Saved

Keraz said:

What I posted was a refutation of your unbiblical beliefs. It is wrong beliefs that are unacceptable.

BTW, I have walked up the Mount of Olives, to the top where the Chapel of the Ascension is.
There is no huge valley, as described by Zechariah 14:4

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It isn't important to me to be physical.

I do note this:

Valley of Decision - Wikipedia

Joel prophesied the sign of the Last Days. They were to be marked by a all kinds of ordinary people prophesying. Peter, in Acts 2, says that Pentecost was that very sign, proving beyond any reasonable doubt that the Last Days (of the Old Covenant, not the Universe) were the first century:

[Hebrews 1:2 NASB20] (2) in these last days has spoken to us in [His] Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom He also made the world.

[James 5:3 NASB20] (3) Your gold and your silver have corroded, and their corrosion will serve as a testimony against you and will consume your flesh like fire. It is in the last days that you have stored up your treasure!

[1 John 2:18 NASB20] (18) Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour.

[Luke 21:20-22 NKJV] (20) "But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then know that its desolation is near. (21) "Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those who are in the midst of her depart, and let not those who are in the country enter her. (22) "For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

[Luke 21:23-32 NKJV] (23) "But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people. (24) "And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. (25) "And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; (26) "men's hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. (27) "Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. (28) "Now when these things begin to happen, look up and lift up your heads, because your redemption draws near." (29) Then He spoke to them a parable: "Look at the fig tree, and all the trees. (30) "When they are already budding, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. (31) "So you also, when you see these things happening, know that the kingdom of God is near. (32) "Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all things take place.

Ruminator said:

It isn't important to me to be physical.

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Zechariah 14:3 irrfutably states the Mount of Olives will be split in half.....
A real mount and a real valley to be made thru it. NOT happened yet.

Spiritualizing any of the Bible prophesies is wrong.

Truth7t7 said:

Thanks for your honesty

I disagree with the teachings of (Charles Taze Russell) founder of the Jehovahs Witnesses, and the "Little Flock" of 144,000, also the many other teachings of Russell

Once again thanks for your honesty, Jesus Is The Lord God Jehovah

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Charles Taze Russell (1851-1916 C.E.) was not the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses, but was one whom Jehovah used to reestablish true worship "in the final part of the days", though crude in the beginning, for some teachings were in error, but which Proverbs 4:18 states: "But the path (or spiritual condition) of the righteous is like the bright morning light that grows brighter and brighter (in accurately understanding what the Bible teaches and applying it) until full daylight (which is now being approached, as mankind enters the last days of "the final part of the days")."

At Isaiah 60, it says of the refinements of "truth" that will be made: "Instead of the copper I will bring in gold, and instead of the iron I will bring in silver, instead of the wood, copper, and instead of the stones, iron; And I will appoint peace as your overseers and righteousness as your task assigners. No more will violence be heard in your land or destruction and ruin within your boundaries. And you will call your walls Salvation and your gates Praise. For you the sun will no longer be a light by day, nor will the shining of the moon give you light, for Jehovah will become to you an eternal light, and your God will be your beauty (see Rev 21:22-25). No more will your sun set, nor will your moon wane, for Jehovah will become for you an eternal light, and the days of your mourning will have ended. And all your people will be righteous; They will possess the (symbolic) land (of spiritual Israel) forever. They are the sprout that I planted (that was started by Jesus and was effectively replanted during "the final part of the days"), the work of my hands, for me to be beautified."(Isa 60:17-21)

At Isaiah 2, it says: "In the final part of the days (that began in 1914 with Jesus being crowned king of God's Kingdom [Dan 7:13, 14], when the Kingdom was "set up", see Dan 2:44), the mountain of the house of Jehovah (or true worship) will become firmly established above the top of the mountains (or human political governments), and it will be raised up above the hills (or human institutions that people look to for support), and to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, nor will they learn war anymore."(Isa 2:2-4)

The churches of Christendom have not ' beaten their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears ', so that so-called Christian ' nation has lifted up sword against nation ' in war after war, being massively blood guilty.(see Rev 18:24)

Through an illustration, Jesus pointed out that the "one faith" (Eph 4:5) that he established and came into operation on Pentecost 33 C.E. with the outpouring of holy spirit (Acts 2:4), would be "oversown" with counterfeit Christians, saying: "The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man (Jesus Christ, see Matt 13:37) who sowed fine seed (or Kingdom truth) in his field. While men were sleeping (or especially after the death of the apostles who kept apostasy at bay, see 2 Thess 2:7), his enemy (Satan the Devil) came and oversowed weeds (or counterfeit Christians) in among the wheat (or true Christians) and left. When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit (or when true Christianity was fully functioning), then the weeds (or fake Christians) also appeared (who began to teach false ideas, twisting Scripture, eventually teaching the Trinity, hellfire, immortality of the soul, a clergy-laity class, the cross, involvement in politics, etc)."

"So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field ? How, then, does it have weeds ?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them ?’ (saying this at the end of the 1st century when counterfeit Christians were starting to take a foot-hold and the apostle John, as the last of the apostles, had just died)."

"He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them (for the teaching or false ideas of the "weeds" was not clear enough yet to distinguish effectively them from "the wheat"). Let both grow together until the harvest (that started in 1914 and when there would be a clear "distinction between a righteous person and a wicked person, between one serving God and one not serving him", Mal 3:18), and in the harvest season (or during the 1st phase of the great tribulation, Matt 24:21; Rev 7:14), I will tell the reapers (or angels, Matt 13:39): First collect the weeds (or fake Christians) and bind them in bundles to burn them up (or be destroyed, see Rev 17:16, 17); then gather the wheat (or true Christians that are the "little flock" of 144,000) into my storehouse (or receiving their heavenly reward of being adopted as "sons of God", see Rom 8:14-17).’”(Matt 13:24-30)

"In the final part of the days", "a great crowd" (Rev 7:9-14) or "other sheep" (John 10:16), are the ones who are seen at Zechariah 8:23, that says: "This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men (or the complete number, for ten means earthly completeness, see Ex chapters 7-11 about "the ten plagues" that totally decimated Egypt) out of all the languages of the nations (or those who have the hope of living on the paradise earth forever, Ps 37:11, 29; Matt 5:5) will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a (spiritual) Jew (or those of the 144,000, who have been anointed with holy spirit for "the heavenly calling", see Rom 2:29; Eph 1:13, 14; Heb 3:1), saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that (Jehovah) God is with you people.”

And Jesus is not "the Lord Jehovah" for Jesus said at John 14:28, that "the Father is greater than I am", and that at John 12:49, 50, he says: "For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak. And I know that his commandment (not mine) means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.”

And at Revelation 3:14, Jesus tells us that he is "the beginning of the creation by God", and the apostle Paul wrote at Colossians 1:15, that Jesus is "the firstborn of all creation". At Luke 1, the angel Gabriel told Mary, that "look ! you will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus (that means "Jehovah is Salvation", being the same as Joshua in Hebrew). This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom.”(Luke 1:31-33)

And at John 4, Jesus tells the Samaritan woman: "Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship (Jesus includes himself in worshipping Jehovah) what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father (not Jesus as the Son) with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. God is a Spirit (not a man of flesh and blood), and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”(John 4:21-24)

Guestman said:

Charles Taze Russell (1851-1916 C.E.) was not the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses, but was one whom Jehovah used to reestablish true worship "in the final part of the days", though crude in the beginning, for some teachings were in error, but which Proverbs 4:18 states: "But the path (or spiritual condition) of the righteous is like the bright morning light that grows brighter and brighter (in accurately understanding what the Bible teaches and applying it) until full daylight (which is now being approached, as mankind enters the last days of "the final part of the days")."

At Isaiah 60, it says of the refinements of "truth" that will be made: "Instead of the copper I will bring in gold, and instead of the iron I will bring in silver, instead of the wood, copper, and instead of the stones, iron; And I will appoint peace as your overseers and righteousness as your task assigners. No more will violence be heard in your land or destruction and ruin within your boundaries. And you will call your walls Salvation and your gates Praise. For you the sun will no longer be a light by day, nor will the shining of the moon give you light, for Jehovah will become to you an eternal light, and your God will be your beauty (see Rev 21:22-25). No more will your sun set, nor will your moon wane, for Jehovah will become for you an eternal light, and the days of your mourning will have ended. And all your people will be righteous; They will possess the (symbolic) land (of spiritual Israel) forever. They are the sprout that I planted (that was started by Jesus and was effectively replanted during "the final part of the days"), the work of my hands, for me to be beautified."(Isa 60:17-21)

At Isaiah 2, it says: "In the final part of the days (that began in 1914 with Jesus being crowned king of God's Kingdom [Dan 7:13, 14], when the Kingdom was "set up", see Dan 2:44), the mountain of the house of Jehovah (or true worship) will become firmly established above the top of the mountains (or human political governments), and it will be raised up above the hills (or human institutions that people look to for support), and to it all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah, to the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem. He will render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, nor will they learn war anymore."(Isa 2:2-4)

The churches of Christendom have not ' beaten their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears ', so that so-called Christian ' nation has lifted up sword against nation ' in war after war, being massively blood guilty.(see Rev 18:24)

Through an illustration, Jesus pointed out that the "one faith" (Eph 4:5) that he established and came into operation on Pentecost 33 C.E. with the outpouring of holy spirit (Acts 2:4), would be "oversown" with counterfeit Christians, saying: "The Kingdom of the heavens may be likened to a man (Jesus Christ, see Matt 13:37) who sowed fine seed (or Kingdom truth) in his field. While men were sleeping (or especially after the death of the apostles who kept apostasy at bay, see 2 Thess 2:7), his enemy (Satan the Devil) came and oversowed weeds (or counterfeit Christians) in among the wheat (or true Christians) and left. When the stalk sprouted and produced fruit (or when true Christianity was fully functioning), then the weeds (or fake Christians) also appeared (who began to teach false ideas, twisting Scripture, eventually teaching the Trinity, hellfire, immortality of the soul, a clergy-laity class, the cross, involvement in politics, etc)."

"So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ‘Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field ? How, then, does it have weeds ?’ He said to them, ‘An enemy, a man, did this.’ The slaves said to him, ‘Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them ?’ (saying this at the end of the 1st century when counterfeit Christians were starting to take a foot-hold and the apostle John, as the last of the apostles, had just died)."

"He said, ‘No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them (for the teaching or false ideas of the "weeds" was not clear enough yet to distinguish effectively them from "the wheat"). Let both grow together until the harvest (that started in 1914 and when there would be a clear "distinction between a righteous person and a wicked person, between one serving God and one not serving him", Mal 3:18), and in the harvest season (or during the 1st phase of the great tribulation, Matt 24:21; Rev 7:14), I will tell the reapers (or angels, Matt 13:39): First collect the weeds (or fake Christians) and bind them in bundles to burn them up (or be destroyed, see Rev 17:16, 17); then gather the wheat (or true Christians that are the "little flock" of 144,000) into my storehouse (or receiving their heavenly reward of being adopted as "sons of God", see Rom 8:14-17).’”(Matt 13:24-30)

"In the final part of the days", "a great crowd" (Rev 7:9-14) or "other sheep" (John 10:16), are the ones who are seen at Zechariah 8:23, that says: "This is what Jehovah of armies says, ‘In those days ten men (or the complete number, for ten means earthly completeness, see Ex chapters 7-11 about "the ten plagues" that totally decimated Egypt) out of all the languages of the nations (or those who have the hope of living on the paradise earth forever, Ps 37:11, 29; Matt 5:5) will take hold, yes, they will take firm hold of the robe of a (spiritual) Jew (or those of the 144,000, who have been anointed with holy spirit for "the heavenly calling", see Rom 2:29; Eph 1:13, 14; Heb 3:1), saying: “We want to go with you, for we have heard that (Jehovah) God is with you people.”

And Jesus is not "the Lord Jehovah" for Jesus said at John 14:28, that "the Father is greater than I am", and that at John 12:49, 50, he says: "For I have not spoken of my own initiative, but the Father who sent me has himself given me a commandment about what to say and what to speak. And I know that his commandment (not mine) means everlasting life. So whatever I speak, I speak just as the Father has told me.”

And at Revelation 3:14, Jesus tells us that he is "the beginning of the creation by God", and the apostle Paul wrote at Colossians 1:15, that Jesus is "the firstborn of all creation". At Luke 1, the angel Gabriel told Mary, that "look ! you will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and you are to name him Jesus (that means "Jehovah is Salvation", being the same as Joshua in Hebrew). This one will be great and will be called Son of the Most High, and Jehovah God will give him the throne of David his father, and he will rule as King over the house of Jacob forever, and there will be no end to his Kingdom.”(Luke 1:31-33)

And at John 4, Jesus tells the Samaritan woman: "Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship (Jesus includes himself in worshipping Jehovah) what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews. Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father (not Jesus as the Son) with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. God is a Spirit (not a man of flesh and blood), and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth.”(John 4:21-24)

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The Mormon's claim (Joseph Smith,1805 -1844) was used by Jehovah to reestablish true worship, it appears your wrong in your claim

Truth7t7 said:

Who is this "Israel" you talk about?

Jewish People around the world, if so what percentage of bloodline qualifies to be Jewish?

100%, 50%, 25%, 10%, 5%, 1%,??????????

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Most today, over 95% have 0 %....they are of the Khazarian tribes

@Truth7t7 , by "final part of the days," do you mean "the last hour"? Because the scriptures are quite clear that that was c. 70 AD/CE:

[1 John 2:18-19 NASB20] (18) Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. (19) They went out from us, but they were not [really] of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but [they went out,] so that it would be evident that they all are not of us.

JWs are completely in the weeds as far as eschatology goes. Their predictions did not come true in the past and they are wrong about the present and future, as are all futurists.

Ruminator said:

@Truth7t7 , by "final part of the days," do you mean "the last hour"? Because the scriptures are quite clear that that was c. 70 AD/CE:

[1 John 2:18-19 NASB20] (18) Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have appeared; from this we know that it is the last hour. (19) They went out from us, but they were not [really] of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but [they went out,] so that it would be evident that they all are not of us.

JWs are completely in the weeds as far as eschatology goes. Their predictions did not come true in the past and they are wrong about the present and future, as are all futurists.

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Many would consider your views as heretical, and I wouldn't argue against their opinion

The future second coming of Jesus Christ that you deny, is a doctrinal pillar of the christian faith

Romans 16:17KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Truth7t7 said:

Many would consider your views as heretical, and I wouldn't argue against their opinion

The future second coming of Jesus Christ that you deny, is a doctrinal pillar of the christian faith

Romans 16:17KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

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So do you feel that way about JWs not being Trinitarians?

Ruminator said:

So do you feel that way about JWs not being Trinitarians?

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Many would consider your views as heretical, and I wouldn't argue against their opinion

The future second coming of Jesus Christ that you deny, is a doctrinal pillar of the christian faith

Romans 16:17KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.

Davy said:

Yeah he was its founder. He developed independent Bible study lessons for his followers, and even said that if they followed those lessons in study, they wouldn't even need a Bible. Many of the doctrines of JW are devised by him, personally, and are not supported by God's Word (manuscripts).

One particular JW false doctrine is the false idea that Lord Jesus is the Archangel Michael. That is a doctrine of devils, because angels CANNOT SAVE US, nor forgive our sins! ONLY God can forgive our sins and save us, as He said He only is The Savior, and no one else (Isaiah 44:5-9). That includes Lord Jesus Christ because He is part of The Godhead of The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.

And JW continually pointing to God's name 'Jehovah' like it is a word of power in name-worship, is the show of a Cult also. The name "Jehovah" is just a TRANSLITERATION, which is a swapping of characters in one language to another language. It isn't the actual name in the Hebrew! There's a certain Christian denomination that likes to think they only have the correct teachings of Jesus Christ, just because they call themselves 'The Church of Christ'. That's all that the JW's do with proclaiming God's transliterated name Jehovah, which is actually more correctly YaHaVeH from the Hebrew YHVH.

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No, Charles Taze Russell was not the founder of Jehovah's Witnesses, but one whom Jehovah God used to reestablish true worship in these "last days" (2 Tim 3:1), having been effectively dormant for some 1,800 years, with Abel being the first loyal servant of Jehovah God, some 6,000 years ago, being among a long list of faithful ones to Jehovah.(Heb 11)

Have you not read Isaiah 2, that shows how true worship was restarted again after a long period of being latent, saying: "In the final part of the days (that began in 1914 with Jesus being crowned king of God's Kingdom [Rev 6:1, 2], and that also was the beginning of his invisible "presence" [Matt 24:3]), the mountain of the house of Jehovah (or Jehovah's sovereignty that is being exercised through God's heavenly Kingdom) will become firmly established above the top of the mountains, and it will be raised up above the hills, and to it (people of) all the nations will stream. And many peoples will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah (or true worship), to the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways, and we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of Zion, and the word of Jehovah out of Jerusalem (or through his channel of communication, the "faithful and discreet slave", Matt 24:45). He (Jehovah) will render judgment among the nations and set matters straight respecting many peoples. They will beat their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning shears. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, nor will they learn war anymore."(Isa 2:2-4)

Who among the churches of Christendom have ' beaten their swords into plowshares and spears into pruning shears" ? None, for the churches have been in the forefront of wars, of mass murder, as being a significant member of Babylon the Great (Rev 17:5) or false religions of the world, and are guilty of shedding massive amounts of blood in "the name of God".(Rev 18:24)

That Jesus is "Michael the archangel" (Rev 12:7), is seen by the fact that the apostle Paul wrote to the Thessalonians, that "the Lord (Jesus) himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call (during his invisible presence), with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first" (1 Thess 4:16), there is only one archangel or chief or principal angel, for at Galatians 4:14, Jesus is called an angel by the apostle Paul, who wrote: "And though my physical condition was a trial for you, you did not treat me with contempt or disgust; but you received me like an angel of God, like Christ Jesus."(Note: the word angel means "messenger", so that Jesus is called "the Word" or Jehovah's chief messenger at John 1:1)

And at 1 Corinthians 10, Paul said this about Jesus: "Now I want you to know, brothers, that our forefathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea and all got baptized into Moses by means of the cloud and of the sea, and all ate the same spiritual food and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they used to drink from the spiritual rock (or angel) that followed them (Ex 14:19), and that rock meant the Christ."(1 Cor 10:1-4)

And though the name Jehovah is a transliteration, from the Tetragrammaton (Greek meaning "four letters") of which these four letters (written from right to left) are יהוה and may be transliterated into English as YHWH (or Latinized JHVH), it is still his rightful name.

So is also Yahweh a transliteration, but no one complains about it. Jehovah is transliterated or vowel pointed in five different ways in Hebrew as (1) Yahweh at Ex 6:3, (2) Yehowah at Gen 3:14, (3) Yehwih at Gen 15:2, (4) Yehwah at Gen 2:4, (5) Yehowih at Judges 16:28. So which do you suppose is the proper pronunciation ? Even Hebrew scholars are divided as to which is more accurate.

If the name Jehovah is a mistake, then so is the name Jesus, for both are Latin (in which English uses all 23 letters of Latin [of which 21 Latin letters came from Etruscan], plus three additional ones of J, U and W) and both have the first two letters of Je, for the name Jesus means "Jehovah is Salvation". If God's name of Jehovah is wrong then so is the name Jesus. Are you then going to remove it because of your bias toward the name Jehovah ?

Are you going to continue to try to erase all the names in the Hebrew Scriptures that contain Jeho, such as Jehoaddad (meaning "Jehovah Has Decked Himself "), Jehoiakim (meaning "Jehovah Raises Up"), Jehoiachin (meaning "Jehovah Has Firmly Established"), Jehoahaz (meaning "Jehovah Has Taken Hold"), and even Jeremiah (meaning "Jehovah Exalts"), to name just few in which part of God's name is incorporated within a person's name ?

Are you going to erase the site of Jehovah-nissi that means "Jehovah is My Signal Pole", as seen at Exodus 17:15 ? Or what about Jehovah-jireh that means "Jehovah Will Provide" at Genesis 22:14 ? Or what about Jehovah-shammah that means "Jehovah Himself Is There" at Ezekiel 48:35 ?

Are you going to rewrite the Bible just because of your prejudice toward God's name of Jehovah ? The Hebrew YHWH is rendered as Ihova in the language Aneityum, as Jehovah in Arawak, as Yehoa' in Awabakal, as Yawe in Bangi, as Jehova' in Benga, Yehovah in Bube, as Jehovah in Chippewa, as Jehova in Croatian, as Jehovah in German, as Iehova in Hawaiian, as Yehova in Logo, as Yehovah in Mohawk, as Jehova in Nandi, to name just a few.

Since there is no consistency among scholars as to how God’s name is to be pronounced, the name Jehovah, though not necessarily accurate, has, for centuries been established as his name. It is used in many Bibles, and has been since William Tyndale used it in his English Bible in 1530. He made this comment: “Iehovah is God’s name . . . Moreover, as oft as thou seist LORD in great letters (except there be any error in the printing) it is in Hebrew Iehovah.”(Note: William Tyndale used the letter "i" in capital form since the latter J would not be incorporated into the English language till the late 16th century, so that when the King James Bible was published in 1611, God's name was spelled as Jehovah at Ex 6:3; Ps 83:18, Isa 12:2 and 26:4)

Davy said:

Many of those ideas are the reasonings of a Cult begun by one man; many of those ideas are not supported in God's written Word. It is the JW founders and its pundits that have RE-WRITTEN God's Word for themselves, as the JW have their OWN Bible version according to their false doctrines.

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You shove aside weighty evidence that Jehovah God would reestablish true worship in these "last days".(Isa 2:2-4) For example, when the apostles and older men met as a governing body in Jerusalem in 49 C.E. to discuss the issue of circumcision that some so-called Jewish Christians were clamoring for once again (trying to keep alive the Mosaic Law that had been fulfilled by Jesus in 33 C.E. and was now obsolete, Matt 5:17; Heb 8:13), James, the half-brother of Jesus, said this regarding the reestablishment of true worship in the first century after centuries of apostasy by the Jews: "Men, brothers, hear me. Symʹe·on (or Peter) has related thoroughly how God for the first time turned his attention to the nations (or Gentiles) to take out of them a people for his name. And with this the words of the Prophets agree, just as it is written (at Amos 9:11, 12): ‘ After these things I will return and raise up again the tent of David that is fallen down (or true worship that had been in decay for centuries); I will rebuild its ruins and restore it, so that the men who remain may earnestly seek Jehovah, together with people of all the nations, people who are called by my name, says Jehovah, who is doing these things, known from of old."(Acts 15:14-18)

As Micah 4 says, who was a contemporary with Isaiah the prophet during the 8th century B.C.E., that "in the final part of the days (that began in 1914 with Jesus being crowned king of God's Kingdom, Rev 6:1, 2), the mountain of the house of Jehovah (or true worship) will become firmly established above the top of the mountains (or human governments that people idolize), and it will be raised up above the hills (or human institutions that people look to for "support"), and to it peoples will stream. And many nations will go and say: “Come, let us go up to the mountain of Jehovah (having left the churches of Christendom as well as the rest of the world so as to "search for Jehovah", Isa 55:6) and to the house of the God of Jacob. He will instruct us about his ways (or teach us what the truth is), and we will walk in his paths.” For law will go out of (symbolic) Zion, and the word of Jehovah out of (symbolic) Jerusalem........For all the peoples will walk, each in the name of its (false) god, but we will walk in the name of Jehovah our God forever and ever."(Micah 4:1-3, 5)

At Revelation 18, the warning is given to remove oneself from Babylon the Great, the world empire of false religion, that has "become a dwelling place of demons and a place where every unclean spirit and every unclean and hated bird lurks ! For because of the wine of the passion of her sexual immorality (or teachings that are like sex that lures people to do as the religious leaders wishes, to do wicked deeds), all the nations have fallen victim, and the kings of the earth (or political rulers) committed sexual immorality with her, and the merchants of the earth (or commercial elements) became rich (such as "making a killing" during Christmas time) owing to the power of her shameless luxury.”(Rev 18:2, 3)

At Revelation 18:4, it states concisely: "And I heard another voice out of heaven say: “Get out of her, my people (or those who recognize the falsehoods that is being taught by the religions of the world and abandons them for Jehovah), if you do not want to share with her in her sins, and if you do not want to receive part of her plagues."

And why ? Verse 5 says: "For her sins have massed together clear up to heaven, and God has called her acts of injustice to mind", being massively blood guilty.(Rev 18:24; see John Foxe's Acts and Monuments of the Church, published in 1563, that provides details of the corruption and deadliness of the Catholic church, and that was retitled as Book of Martyrs in later revised and abridged editions)

And what should be done to the false religions of the world ? Verse 6 tells us: "Repay her in the way she treated others, yes, pay her back double for the things she has done; in the cup she has mixed, mix a double portion for her."

Because the religions of the world have taught people falsehoods, lies, such as the Trinity, hellfire, the immortality of the soul, that Jesus died on a cross, that the clergy-laity arrangement is legit, that other gods can be worshipped too (such as nationalism), involving spiritistic practices (Rev 18:23; King James Bible reads "sorceries"), because "to the extent that she glorified herself and lived in shameless luxury, to that extent give her torment and mourning. For she keeps saying in her heart: ‘I sit as queen, and I am not a widow, and I will never see mourning.’ That is why in one day her plagues will come (or being destroyed rapidly), death and mourning and famine, and she will be completely burned with fire (see Rev 17:16, 17), because Jehovah God, who judged her, is strong."(Rev 18:7, 8)

Only those who have done as Revelation 7 says, will have an everlasting future: "After this I saw, and look ! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands (making peace with Jehovah God). And they keep shouting with a loud voice, saying: “Salvation we owe to our God (Jehovah), who is seated on the throne, and to the Lamb.”(Rev 7:9, 10)

Davy said to the Guestman

Davy said:

And you like to tell a bunch of fibs about people you do not know, and about things you do not know about. But go ahead, follow your Taz Russel Cult, for that's all it is doing, just only partly using God's Word, which is no better than what Satan did in using God's Word to tempt Jesus with in Luke 4.

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Yes, you are right. That's a cult based in doctrine of demons, in the way Satan likes, and why? Because the Word is GOD, and the NAME of the Word is not Jehovah, it is a NICKNAME invented /arranged by the Devil to mock GOD - the Word - the Word is GOD.



The translation of the expression "Jehovah" (in Hebrew יהוה ) signifies lord (small letter)

The translation of the expression "Yahveh" (in Hebrew "יהוה", ) signifies Lord (capital letter)

Therefore, יהוה signifies lord (small letter), not the NICKNAME Jehovah;

and "יהוה" signifies Lord (capital letter), not the NICKNAME Yahveh;

And the NAME of the Person of the Word -after the Word be made flesh- is JESUS, whose NAME the own Word - the Word is GOD - chose for He Himself .

Neither is there SALVATION in any other (jehovah; yahveh): for there is none other NAME UNDER HEAVEN given among MEN, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:v.12

By the Word of GOD - the Word is GOD - there is no SALVATION in the nickNAME of jehovah or yahveh, but in the NAME of JESUS exclusively. JESUS is the LORD, the LORD of the lords, the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

Amen. Hallelujah!

Davy said:

Hope this doesn't bust your bubble.

Jesus = Iesous in the Greek (NT:2424)

The Hebrew OT equivalent of Iesous is Yehowshu'a (OT:3091)

Yehowshu'a = YHVH has saved (from OT:3068 and OT:3467)

So when we say Jesus Christ, even in English, we are still saying 'YHVH Anointed Savior'

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My point is that JEHOVAH is a nickname, not the NAME of the invisible Person the Word, I mean GOD, GOD the Father. What prevails is the OT - Hebrew language - : יהוה or "יהוה",

Just curious. With regards to your study, try Joshua.

All Israel is Saved !
Who is a true Israelite ! In the Bible we see only two people given that Title. that was Jacob by an Angel and Nathaniel by Jesus Christ him self and Jesus explained what a true Israelite was in fact in Nathaniel. but people do not have ears to hear such, as they claim wrongfully that every Jew is worthy, well one only has to read the OT to understand that they all are not worthy of such.

Now all of Jesus disciples were worthy of being loyal to Moses and worthy of Israel as they became the first Christians, not to mention they were truly born again.

Reggie Belafonte said:

All Israel is Saved !
Who is a true Israelite ! In the Bible we see only two people given that Title. that was Jacob by an Angel and Nathaniel by Jesus Christ him self and Jesus explained what a true Israelite was in fact in Nathaniel. but people do not have ears to hear such, as they claim wrongfully that every Jew is worthy, well one only has to read the OT to understand that they all are not worthy of such.

Now all of Jesus disciples were worthy of being loyal to Moses and worthy of Israel as they became the first Christians, not to mention they were truly born again.

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That's a good message from you

Dialogue between Jews and JESUS: John 8KJV

Jews said: - We be Abraham's seed,...John 8:v.33KJV
- JESUS said: - I know that ye are Abraham's seed...John 8:v.37KJV (Positive)

Jews said: - Abraham is our father.... John 8:v.39KJV
- JESUS said:- If ye were Abraham's children...John 8:v.39KJV (If???? hum!!!)

The answers of JESUS that were given above to the Jews, make it clear that although the Jews be Abraham's seed ,
they are not Abraham's children


The Jews continued:
Jews said: - We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. John 8:v.41KJV

- JESUS said: - If God were your Father...John 8:v.42KJV (If???? hum!!!)
- JESUS said to the Jews: Why do ye not understand my speech? John 8:v.43
- JESUS openly and emphaticaly said to the Jews: Ye are of your father the Devil..., John 8:v.44

Jesus said to the Jews they are not of GOD:
John 8:v. 47 - He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of GOD.


Even JESUS said to the Jews: Ye are of your father the Devil...,
Why did JESUS call the Jews of serpents? It is because they are sons of the old serpent, called the Devil and Satan, now red

Dragon. Matt.23:v.33-35: 33 -Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
What is the mystery JESUS links the Jews to the murder of Abel? That upon the Jews may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth?

Isaiah 1: 9-13KJV
9 Except the Lord of hosts had left unto us A VERY SMALL REMNANT, we should have been as Sodom, and we should have been like unto Gomorrah.
10 Hear the word of the Lord, ye rulers of SODOM; give ear unto the law of our GOD, ye people of GOMORRAH.
11 To what purpose is the multitude OF YOUR SACRIFICES unto me? saith the Lord: I am full of the burnt offerings of rams, and the fat of fed beasts; and I delight not in the blood of bullocks, or of lambs, or of he goats.
12 When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?
13 Bring no more vain oblations; incense is an abomination unto me; the new moons and SABBATHS, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity, even the solemn meeting.

Romans 3:v.5-6 and
5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew FIRST, and also of the Gentile;
10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew FIRST, and also to the Gentile:
11 For there is no respect of persons with God.