Is this a prophetic fulfillment? Fig tree prophecy

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Randy Kluth

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Classic "replacement theology" as taught traditionally in the Roman Catholic Church and some Protestant denominations is not biblically accurate. But neither is the view of their main opponents who advocate Messianic Judaism. The good figs of Judah -namely, the Apostles and those Jewish Christians who followed Jesus; were the ‘branches’ of the "tree", that were not cut off. Romans 11:17a

This fig tree producing good fruits, following Jesus the King of Judah, retained the right to be called by the tribal name of Judah. They are the "true Jews," as it were. Those who rejected Jesus and still continue to reject Him today, are rejected by God, Matthew 21:32, Revelation 2:9


Jeremiah 24:1-10 shows that God sees the nation of Judah as a fig tree and the nation was actually divided into two groups of people-those whose fruits were very good, and those whose fruits were very bad. This is really no different from any other nation, for there is not a nation in the world that has all righteous people or all unrighteous people. But in the case of Judah it is a matter of divine separation into two distinct fig trees, because God intended to treat them differently. He intended to give Judah’s dominion mandate to those who produced good fruit, and at the same time He intended to disinherit those who produced bad fruit.

Jesus Himself produced good fruit. He was born of a Judahite mother, as proven in the genealogies of Matthew 1 and Luke 3. But as the King of Judah, He was more than just a fig branch that was producing good fruit. He was, is, the root of the tree, to which were attached various branches that bore good fruit. Jesus said as much when He used a slightly different motif of the vine and branches:

John 15:1-6 I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it, that it may bear more fruit... I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me, and I in him, he bears much fruit; for apart from Me you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

It is clear from this that only those who abide in Christ will bear the type of fruit that God is seeking. If one claims to be in Christ, but does not produce these fruits of the Kingdom, he is cut off. And " if anyone does not abide in Me," Jesus says, " he is thrown away as a branch and dries up. " Surely He had in mind those Jews who had rejected Him as Messiah. Only a few days earlier, Jesus had cursed the fig tree, and the disciples had marveled that it had dried up by the following morning. He was saying, then, that the people who produced no fruit: or, as Jeremiah put it, those who produced only inedible figs would be cut off and burned.

This is precisely what happened. Judah split into two factions, or two "trees." Those who accepted Jesus as Messiah became the branches of the good fig tree. These were the inheritors of the dominion mandate given to Judah. Of these, Jesus said He would prune them in order that they would bring forth even more fruit.

Those who refused to accept Jesus as Messiah were cut off and are no longer inheritors of the dominion mandate. Jesus clearly said that there is no way that anyone can bear the proper fruit apart from being attached to Christ. Ref: Stephen Jones

There's a lot of truth in that, though I can't agree, necessarily, with how the metaphor is being used. If a "tree" represents a nation, then the failure of the tree to produce good fruit is the failure of the nation. It does not become "two trees." The one tree is ruined.

I agree that Jesus is the root of the tree, the founder of Israel, as well as its ultimate success. For now, Israel is a failure, and only a small remnant maintains its hope.

If we are to use the metaphor of "trees" consistently, we would say that the fig tree failed with Israel's fall, and that new trees sprang up, still with Christ as the root. These are other nations that, like Israel, entered into covenant with God. But they also can fail and have failed. Christian nations today are following the same path that Israel followed.

I do believe Christ will come back to restore all of these trees, including Israel. We can only hope! And I do think the implication of God's promises is that He will do this.
 

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There's a lot of truth in that, though I can't agree, necessarily, with how the metaphor is being used. If a "tree" represents a nation, then the failure of the tree to produce good fruit is the failure of the nation. It does not become "two trees." The one tree is ruined.
'Nations', are just a generalization. It is individuals who choose to accept or reject Christ.
During the end times the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-12, in all of the holy Land, will be made up from every faithful Christian. John see them all there in Revelation 7:1-14
 

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It's really more simple than that. Jesus showed in His parable of the fig tree the generation that sees all those signs would not die out before His return. Doesn't matter how long one thinks that will be after the fig shoot is set out and sprouting leaves (i.e., 1948 with Israel becoming a nation again). It simply means that generation born in that time won't die out before Jesus' return.

And another thing His parable of the fig tree reveals. He said that final generation of the day of His coming will see all... those signs He gave there in His Olivet discourse. That includes the Matthew 24:1-3 sign of the not one stone atop another at the temple mount. But men's leaven doctrines of Preterism and Historicism tries to assign that destruction event to 70 A.D. by the Romans. When today's orthodox Jews in Jerusalem get the go ahead to build their temple again in today's Jerusalem, and then start laying its cornerstones (which they already have cut), I'm going to be laughing at the shock the Preterists and Historicists are gonna' have on their faces.

You are right. A lot of people miss that part. the Generation THAT SEES ALL these things, will not pass away. Not just one or two of them. I THINK that would put it in the 70, 80, 90 , or even 120 yr range from 1948. But, only God knows.
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You guys trying to make Israel represented by a fig tree, have yet to produce such language from the bible. The Jeremiah 24 passage is not about trees. It's a couple baskets of figs, one basket good and one bad, and in that chapter God explicitly tells us what the representation of the good and bad figs meant.

You have gone WAY beyond what is written.

But now, I will produce a passage from the bible that completely contradicts ALL of your assessments. Everybody on this thread has attempted to make a Fig Tree a representation of Israel, and have failed to produce any bible language.

This contradicts the fig tree being Israel:


Israel and Judah, both, were once called by God "a green Olive tree." And this is from Jeremiah chapter 11. Read the whole chapter.

But here's the key verse:

Jeremiah 11:16 The LORD once called you 'a green olive tree, beautiful with good fruit.' But with the roar of a great tempest he will set fire to it, and its branches will be consumed.

This contradicts your belief about Israel being represented by a fig tree.

Nowhere has God ever referred to Israel as a Fig tree. And the passage in Matthew 24 about a fig tree, is interpreted to us by Christ Jesus Himself. It has nothing to do with a political or military event of the Jews becoming a nation again.

If the Jews becoming a nation again is important to bible prophecy, which I agree it is, it's not being spoken about in the passage from Matthew 24. We see prophecy about Israel, the physical nation, elsewhere in the bible. But Matthew 24 is not it. And fig tree is not it, either.

Read the whole chapter of Jeremiah 11, and learn your mistakes.
 

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You guys trying to make Israel represented by a fig tree, have yet to produce such language from the bible. The Jeremiah 24 passage is not about trees. It's a couple baskets of figs, one basket good and one bad, and in that chapter God explicitly tells us what the representation of the good and bad figs meant.

You have gone WAY beyond what is written.

But now, I will produce a passage from the bible that completely contradicts ALL of your assessments. Everybody on this thread has attempted to make a Fig Tree a representation of Israel, and have failed to produce any bible language.

This contradicts the fig tree being Israel:


Israel and Judah, both, were once called by God "a green Olive tree." And this is from Jeremiah chapter 11. Read the whole chapter.

But here's the key verse:

Jeremiah 11:16 The LORD once called you 'a green olive tree, beautiful with good fruit.' But with the roar of a great tempest he will set fire to it, and its branches will be consumed.

This contradicts your belief about Israel being represented by a fig tree.

Nowhere has God ever referred to Israel as a Fig tree. And the passage in Matthew 24 about a fig tree, is interpreted to us by Christ Jesus Himself. It has nothing to do with a political or military event of the Jews becoming a nation again.

If the Jews becoming a nation again is important to bible prophecy, which I agree it is, it's not being spoken about in the passage from Matthew 24. We see prophecy about Israel, the physical nation, elsewhere in the bible. But Matthew 24 is not it. And fig tree is not it, either.

Read the whole chapter of Jeremiah 11, and learn your mistakes.

The fig tree has represented Israel for Millennia, and is found on Judean coinage from the time of Christ. When Jesus cursed the fig tree it was representative of Israel rejecting their Messiah. OT Prophecy speaks of this rejection of the Messiah, and the fig tree not bearing fruit. (see Jeremiah 8:13, Hosea 2:12, Joel 1:12) In fact Hosea 9:10 compares Israel to the fig tree directly.


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Jer 8:13 When I would gather them, declares the LORD, there are no grapes on the vine, nor figs on the fig tree; even the leaves are withered, and what I gave them has passed away from them."

An analogy about how Israel is not producing righteousness unto God, that also incorporates grapes on the vine.

Close, but no cigar.


Hos 2:12 And I will lay waste her vines and her fig trees, of which she said, 'These are my wages, which my lovers have given me.' I will make them a forest, and the beasts of the field shall devour them.

Same as above, but worse. In Hosea 2:12 God is not identifying Israel as the fig trees nor the vines, but saying He will lay waste the commodities that she produces. A judgment.

You cannot assume the very thing your are trying to prove!

You have not proven that the fig tree is Israel itself. Jeremiah 8:13 is close, but you then have to account for God using grapes and vines, too!



Joel 1:12 The vine dries up; the fig tree languishes. Pomegranate, palm, and apple, all the trees of the field are dried up, and gladness dries up from the children of man.


Again, same problem, but worse! In Joel God identifies several different fruit that are languished to instruct Israel of their sin. Not just fig trees, but also grape vines, pomegranates, palms, and apple trees.


Hos 9:10 Like grapes in the wilderness, I found Israel. Like the first fruit on the fig tree in its first season, I saw your fathers. But they came to Baal-peor and consecrated themselves to the thing of shame, and became detestable like the thing they loved.


Same as above. An analogy regarding the fruit of former days, and the analogy includes grapes, too.

The best one-on-one, direct analogy for Israel was the one I provided in the post above: Jeremiah 11:16, calling Israel an Olive tree.


The problem everybody is having is trying to change the meaning of what Jesus said in Matthew 24, which Jesus Himself gave the interpretation of His lesson. No need to add or subtract from His words.


Even if your thoughts about Israel being a fig tree are true, it's not true 100% all of the time. You must now, by your own admission, have to account for Grapes, Pomegranates, Palms, and Apple trees too as being Israel. Oh, and Olive Trees, too.


What a mess.
 
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As I mentioned to @Stumpmaster somewhere above you are not able to see beyond the simple P'shat meaning of these verses and texts to the deeper meanings of them. The Allegory used escapes the person who does not see the deep things of God in Scripture, which is a symptom of a reliance on human intellect over divine revelation to understand the text.

The fruit of all the trees you mention are associated with Israel's Spirituality, and when she is barren she is not producing fruit. The fig tree itself is particularly associated with the Tribe of Judah and the Kingdom of Judah, the Grapes refer to Ephraim, The Northern ten tribes. (Judges 8:2).

Nowhere in scripture does it say that Water is the Holy Spirit but When one is given Spiritual eyes to see that fact becomes evident, and adds clarity to the ever deepening stream Spoken of in Ezekiel 47 that proceeds out of the temple.

Here is the Link on the PARDES method of Scriptural interpretation I left here before for you to understand what i am saying about the P'shat meaning:

PARDES levels of Biblical interpretation (yashanet.com)
 

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I understand spiritual meaning of biblical terms, but you must not abandon certain principles in doing so.

I already showed you this verse that refers to Judah, and you yet you ignore it:

Jer 11:12 Then the cities of Judah and the inhabitants of Jerusalem will go and cry to the gods to whom they make offerings, but they cannot save them in the time of their trouble.

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Jer 11:16 The LORD once called you 'a green olive tree, beautiful with good fruit.' But with the roar of a great tempest he will set fire to it, and its branches will be consumed.

So Judah is NOT a Fig Tree, but rather an Olive Tree, according to God.

When interpreting the parables, as an example, you must use the bible's own code to decipher the meaning of the parables. Jesus taught this clearly when He took the disciples aside and explained to them the meaning of various parables.


One of the key principles of understanding the bible is what Paul and Apollos taught Christians everywhere they made disciples, which I have written on here several times already, from 1 Corinthians 4:6 "Do not go beyond what is written".

The other principle is that if the interpretation is given by Jesus, or God, in the bible for the analogy or parable or metaphor, then there's no reason to go looking for hidden stuff when God has already explained the matter, as Jesus did in Matthew 24:32-34.


And if it's important to establish that Israel be a nation again in order to fulfill the End Days prophecies, then we can find support for that elsewhere where it is written very clearly. We do not need to invent things to get there.

All in all, the truth about Israel being a nation before the return of Christ is a truth that comes from other bible passages, and you have superimposed that truth onto a teaching of Jesus with reference to a fig tree, where the teaching does not exist. So.....
 
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And yet it can be both a fig tree and an olive tree, Just like God called Israel both a Wife and Harlot.

Wife and harlot are not necessarily contradictory. They can both be true at the same time.

But you cannot be both a fig and an olive at the same time.
 
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lol Ok.

BTW, I amended my very last paragraph on post #68. It reads better now.
 

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Point being, You can be a harlot or a wife depending on your spiritual standing with the LORD.
A Nation compared to olive tree is referring to the Light it provides for the burning lamp, a nation compared to a figtree refers to the Spiritual fruit it is producing or in the case of bareness the lack of Spiritual fruit. They are different analogies of the used to describe Israel. The same applies to The church today, the wild olive branch grafted in, and what happens when we stop being a light to the world, Or when we stop producing the fruit of the Spirit.

There are numerous allegories, analogies and Metaphors like this in scripture that describe the same nation or peoples. The church itself is botha wild olive branch and the wheat of the field getting ready for harvest. Correct?
 

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'Nations', are just a generalization. It is individuals who choose to accept or reject Christ.
During the end times the new nation of Beulah, Isaiah 62:1-12, in all of the holy Land, will be made up from every faithful Christian. John see them all there in Revelation 7:1-14

This is a major point of disagreement between us, and also between me and many others on these forums. You all just don't accept the word "nations" means "nations." ;)
 

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You guys trying to make Israel represented by a fig tree, have yet to produce such language from the bible. The Jeremiah 24 passage is not about trees. It's a couple baskets of figs, one basket good and one bad, and in that chapter God explicitly tells us what the representation of the good and bad figs meant.

You have gone WAY beyond what is written.

But now, I will produce a passage from the bible that completely contradicts ALL of your assessments. Everybody on this thread has attempted to make a Fig Tree a representation of Israel, and have failed to produce any bible language.

This contradicts the fig tree being Israel:


Israel and Judah, both, were once called by God "a green Olive tree." And this is from Jeremiah chapter 11. Read the whole chapter.

Simple. Israel can be represented by both an olive tree and a fig tree. Jesus clearly inferred application of the fig tree to Israel at times, such as here:

Luke 13.4 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”
6 Then he told this parable: “A man had a fig tree growing in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it but did not find any. 7 So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, ‘For three years now I’ve been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven’t found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?’
 

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Nowhere has God ever referred to Israel as a Fig tree
Isaiah 5:7 The vineyard of the Lord of Hosts, is Israel. Judah is the plant He cherished.
Israel the vine, apostate Judah the fig tree and Christian Judah , the Olive branches.

You fail to make the distinction between Israel and Judah.
This is a major point of disagreement between us, and also between me and many others on these forums. You all just don't accept the word "nations" means "nations."
Tell me then; who is the 'nation' that Jesus referred to in Matthew 21:43?
 

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Tell me then; who is the 'nation' that Jesus referred to in Matthew 21:43?

If I might step in here, even though you did not ask me on this question,

Several Greek to English translations use the word "people" rather than "nation" in that verse. And even the NAS translators went back & forth on which English word to use. In the NASB they chose to translate the word "people" while the earlier NAS77 translated it "nation".

So I go to both my Peshitta versions (Aramaic to English) and both Lamsa and Bauscher translated the Aramaic into "people" which pretty much solidifies the correct wording for me.

Therefore the correct translation, especially given the context and meaning that Jesus was referring to is:

Matt 21:43 Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits.

The people Jesus is referring to is His church.
 

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Therefore the correct translation, especially given the context and meaning that Jesus was referring to is:

Matt 21:43 Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people producing its fruits.

The people Jesus is referring to is His church.

But what you missed is who the 'vineyard' in that parable is. Isaiah 5 showed that it is the "house of Israel", i.e, the ten northern tribes of Israel that God scattered out of the holy land never to return, as a 'people'. So if the people Jesus gave His 'vineyard' to is His Church, then who is that 'vineyard' that He gave them?

Ding! It is STILL the house of Israel, the ten lost tribes. The majority of them were scattered among the Gentiles where The Gospel would be preached, to Asia Minor and Europe. And they with believing Gentiles would become the historical western Christian nations. Haven't you ever read the prophecy to Ephraim, who was the head tribe over the ten tribes, that his seed would become "a multitude of nations"?
 
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Tell me then; who is the 'nation' that Jesus referred to in Matthew 21:43?

It refers to the Roman "nation." The Kingdom of God was taken from the nation of Israel and given to the Roman nation. Both could be referred to as kingdoms, and both could be referred to as nations.

The Roman Empire may be referred to as a "kingdom," or as an "empire." But in this context, Jesus is inferring that the ability to exercise a temporal form of God's Kingdom will be taken from one nation and given to another, ie from one seat of power on earth to another seat of power. Rome would ultimately be Christianized, or obtain a temporal form of God's Kingdom, just as Israel had exercised that power in the OT era.

The word "nation" does fit the Roman Empire because like Israel it operated as a kingdom, with a central power governing over the people and the land. The Roman Empire was certainly a "nation," as well as an empire.
 

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But what you missed is who the 'vineyard' in that parable is. Isaiah 5 showed that it is the "house of Israel", i.e, the ten northern tribes of Israel that God scattered out of the holy land never to return, as a 'people'. So if the people Jesus gave His 'vineyard' to is His Church, then who is that 'vineyard' that He gave them?

Ding! It is STILL the house of Israel, the ten lost tribes. The majority of them were scattered among the Gentiles where The Gospel would be preached, to Asia Minor and Europe. And they with believing Gentiles would become the historical western Christian nations. Haven't you ever read the prophecy to Ephraim, who was the head tribe over the ten tribes, that his seed would become "a multitude of nations"?

Are those people believers in Christ?