Anti-Christ/Beast...Man Or Angelic Prince?

Trumpeter said:

Therefore, thus says The Lord your God, of whom you have forsaken and not known, choosing rather to strike Me from all remembrance, that your consciences may be free: There is another king, and he have I appointed over you; and him you shall serve, until the time be changed. He shall be fierce, and his countenance shall be like no other man. Yet to you he will be like a savior, full of kind and smooth words, hissing softly as a serpent which hypnotizes its prey into submission... A serpent, a man understanding dark sentences, a man who serves the prince and the power of the air. He shall reign in all the earth for a short season, and you shall flock to him and bow down; and you shall bear in your foreheads, and upon your right hands, the mark and the number of his name.



For you have all become as goats fatted for the slaughter!...

You have chosen vanities
And do always revel in your uncleanness,
Pursuing all the lusts thereof...


And so I give to you a king,
One who shall woo you and bring in the slaughter...

And you, together with him,
Shall drink of the wine of the wrath of My fury...

Then you will know, I am The Lord!

Excerpt from:

Repent, For The Time is at Hand... And Judgment Must Now Reign

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[email protected] said:

IMO:
the coming anti-Christ is a man.

Mohammad al-Mahdi, the 12th Imam of the restored caliphate of Islam.

Do your homework on this figure and you'll uncover some incredibly shocking parallels between Islamic preditions of the end times, Christian predictions of the end times and what is happening in the news right in front of our eyes.

According to Islam, al-Mahdi will be their messiah and he will have a prophet who speaks for him, one called Isa. These two will together seduce the Muslim world and lead other Muslim nations in the region to unite against Israel. In the Qur'an Isa means Jesus.

But if one examines the life and prophecies of Jesus of the Bible one sees a stark contrast between the Muslim Jesus and the King of the Jews. One is gentle and kind and healing and the other breaths words of murder and threats and death.

Together al-Mahdi and Isa will lead the Muslim world in a battle against one called Al-Masih ad-Dajjal - he who is a false prophet in the eyes of Islam. But Dajjal, the Muslim type, fits the description of Jesus of Nazareth.

But the Bible makes a startling claim about al-Mahdi. At some point before the great assault against ad-Dajjal al-Mahdi will make the claim that he is god. This is no great shock to Christians, we've seen this sort of rubbish before many times. In Islam, however, it is forbidden for any man to claim to be god. This is why they deny Christ is the son of God. At some point, the Muslim world will have accepted al-Mahdi as their great leader and he will suddenly say the forbidden thing - that he is god. The shock and surprise that will come as a result will be enormous. (and Christians will be saying, "I told you so")

The parallels between the character of al-Mahdi as the Muslims portray it and the word picture given by the Bible are chilling. I encourage everyone to look very closely at recent books which make this parallel clearer and which use documentation I don't have the space to list here. Start with THE ISLAMIC ANTI-CHRIST by Joel Richardson.

We are very very close to the end cycle of things.

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

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veteran said:

Now then, are there other Biblical pointers in God's Word to show the coming final Antichrist-beast will be Satan himself, and none other?

This is Big Picture stuff, a view that many brethren hardly ever hear preached in any of today's pulpits.

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This is one more Biblical pointer that Satan is who will come as the final Antichrist and set himself up as king over all the earth prior to our Lord Jesus' return.

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[email protected] said:

The identification of the anti-Christ in the Bible occurs in two places. In each it is indicated that he is a man. One Biblical reference is to the man God, chief prince of Rosch, Meschech and Tubal. The definition goes on to list political alliances.

The second reference is to Gog leading a second rebellion against the Lord following the thousand year reign of Christ. In both instances the Bible clearly indicates that the anti-Christ is a man.

Satan cannot create life as God can, so it is impossible for him to create himself in the flesh. But as the chief liar on the earth, satan can indeed warp a man so completely that it can seem that satan has appeared in the flesh.

While the spirit of Anti-Christ was identified at work in the letters of the apostles, but the specific appearance of a man of terror is predicted as well. Two different manifestations of evil.

but that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

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Funny thing is that there is no way these things can possibly concern anyone that has never had "the prince of the power of the air" cast out of himself to begin with. And the same "prince of the power of the air" is that "spirit that now works in the children of disobedience" which is likewise the "spirit of the world" which is the "old man" that is contrary to the Spirit which we have now received in Messiah. Thus the Luke passage above can only apply to those claiming to be disciples of Yeshua because anyone outside of the faith has never had the unclean spirit of himself cast out of himself to begin with and remains dead. Hope you are all watching for the supernal signs as commanded in Matthew 24 and Mark 13! But that's just me, hollering from Olam Haba!

BLACK SHEEP said:

My response to the last comment that I bolded by Veteran is...

Thank God that it is hardly ever preached in any of today's pulpits! Pulpits should be used to declare God's truth!

How is Satan, or an angelic prince, gong to rule over the word? (Actually ten nations?)

So the man of sin isn't a man but somehow Satan rules every country on earth?

How did you ever come up with that?

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iamlamad said:

I believe the man of sin is certainly a man, but he does something very stupid, when he goes into the temple and says "I am God." Satan is cast down from heaven immediately after this, and I am convinced possesses this man of sin, who then becomes the BEAST of Rev. 13. He is a copy of Judas, a man possessed by Satan Himself.

AS for the two witnesses:

They show up exactly in time where John shows them, 11:3. That will be exactly 3 1/2 days before the abomination, which happens on earth when the 7th trumpet sounds in heaven. Then, they testify for 1260 days, and are put to death 3 1/2 days before the 7th vial that ends the week. they lay dead for 3 1/2 days, and then are resurrected at the 7th vial. The earthquake at the 7th vial is the SAME earthquake as shown in chapter 11, when they are resurrected. It is the same time all the Old Testament saints are resurrected; the "last day" of the 70th week and the last day of the Old Covenant.

Lamad

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veteran said:

God's Word is very clear the final pseudo-Christ to come to work great signs and miracles on earth in the sight of men will be the devil, Satan himself.

Would he claim to be this Mahdi you speak of? Yes. He will be the expected one that all the world's major religions are expecting, so different labels by different peoples won't prevent him from claiming to be The God when he comes. When he comes, and if you're still here on earth, you will begin to understand, maybe, unless you go bowing to him actually thinking he is our Lord Jesus Christ having returned.

The picture Apostle Paul painted in 2 Thess.2 of the false one coming to sit in God's temple, and exalting himself over ALL that is worshiped would include exalting himself over which others? Over ALL flesh prophets of history, including our Lord Jesus, all the pagans gods of history, and even above The Father Himself. To Orthodox Jews he will be the Messiah they expect. To our deceived brethren he will be to them our Lord Jesus Christ. Same for all other religions that are expecting the coming of a great prophet for the last days, which includes Islam's Mahdi.

There is only one entity that has ever existed... that could try to do that and actually come near to pulling it off causing the whole world to worship him in place of GOD.

Rev 13:4
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
(KJV)

They worship who there? The dragon. Who's the dragon per God's Word? It's another title for the devil himself, Satan, as per Rev.12:9 and Rev.20:2.

Does Satan have the image of a man? YES! Just as ALL... the angels do too, even The Father Himself where the image of man originates (Gen.1:26-27).




Rev 13:11-14
11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
(KJV)

Rev 14:11
11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
(KJV)


If you had understood what Satan's original first rebellion against God was about, then you should have understood this. And... if you truly believed what God's Word teaches, you should have known how it is possible for angels to appear and walk upon this earth and even eat man's food. But it's apparent you do NOT believe much of what God's Word actually says, but have defaulted to what fleshy minded men say instead. So far then, you're deserving of the deceptions that are getting ready to come upon you because of that, unless you repent and get back into God's Word for yourself with His help, instead of heeding men's stupid doctrines.


The one that will go into the temple and claim to be The GOD will be Satan himself. He will be setup as king of the whole earth.

You are just another one who doesn't really believe God's Word about the manifesting of angels on earth with the image of men (like Gen.18-19 for one of several Bible examples).

Why in the world should anyone listen to your suppositions on the identity of the coming final Antichrist, since you clearly don't believe God's Word about angelic presences directly here on earth??? You're just trapped in a fleshy mind and can't get out of it, which means misinterpreting much of God's Word, and thus not to be trusted with God's Truth.

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iamlamad said:

Veteran, you are as far from the truth here as night is from day.

It's you that there is NO TRUTH in. We'll find out how that is even more here no doubt...



Rev 19
20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

That is quite plain, isn't it? The beast is cast into the lake of fire. Do you imagine then that somehow this beast (being Satan as you say) somehow gets back OUT of the lake of fire and is bound?

Guess you forgot to read ALL of the Rev.13 chapter. There's more than one 'beast' mentioned there. And... they are two separate subjects.

You also forgot to read Rev.20 which reveals how Satan is locked in his pit prison for the "thousand years" of Christ's future reign!

Does that mean Satan is NOT destroyed in the "lake of fire" in Rev.19? You bet it does!

So just what 'beast' is that then in Rev.19 that goes into the "lake of fire" and is no more??? Hmm....?


Rev 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

As usual, your theories just don't agree with written scripture. You cannot find the lake of fire here anywhere.

Statements like that is what makes you a 'deceiver', and not just someone who hasn't actually studied The Bible and doesn't know any better.

You forgot Rev.20:10 where Satan is cast into the "lake of fire" at the END of Christ's future "thousand years" reign.

And if you haven't figured out what 'beast' back at Rev.19 is cast into the "lake of fire" with the false prophet, it's the 1st beast. "Well, I wonder who that is?", you must be saying to yourself. If that tidbit isn't enough for you to figure out, then you really are lost and confused. But I don't think you are, I think you've come to try and deceive ON PURPOSE, just as some others try to do.


The truth is, the man of sin is a MAN, and at the midpoint of the week becomes the "Son of Perdition" when Satan possesses Him. Just as Satan entered into Judas, he will enter into the man of sin. But when the "Beast" is taken,. OF COURSE Satan will slip out. It will be the MAN thrown into the lake of fire. Then later Satan will be bound a thousand years.

Absolutely NO Biblical basis for what you're saying.

Satan has the image of a 'man', as The LORD even showed in Isaiah 14. Even the meaning of the name of the Archangel Gabriel is 'man of God'. ALL... the angels have the image of 'man'.

So your Hollywood ghoul zombie possession theories about that 'man of sin' of 2 Thess.2 are just that, Hollywood show with no substance at all in God's Word.


Finally:

Rev 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Your sarcastic remarks aside, it will be YOU left behind at the pretrib rapture. I doubt with your knowledge you will be deceived by the Beast, but you will be OVERCOME by Him. If you take the mark you will be doomed, but if you lose your head, you could make it to heaven.

But WHY go through that when Jesus has made a way of escape?

I'm going to wait for the True Christ to come like He commanded His Church. But you, well, you're already well fit to fly away to the devil when he comes to Jerusalem claiming to be God. That will be your recompense for wanting to listen to those men you worship instead of The LORD GOD in His Word of Truth.

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veteran said:

Veteran, you are as far from the truth here as night is from day.

It's you that there is NO TRUTH in. We'll find out how that is even more here no doubt...



Rev 19
20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

That is quite plain, isn't it? The beast is cast into the lake of fire. Do you imagine then that somehow this beast (being Satan as you say) somehow gets back OUT of the lake of fire and is bound?

Guess you forgot to read ALL of the Rev.13 chapter. There's more than one 'beast' mentioned there. And... they are two separate subjects.

You also forgot to read Rev.20 which reveals how Satan is locked in his pit prison for the "thousand years" of Christ's future reign!

Does that mean Satan is NOT destroyed in the "lake of fire" in Rev.19? You bet it does!

So just what 'beast' is that then in Rev.19 that goes into the "lake of fire" and is no more??? Hmm....?

Rev. 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Posttribbers notice, John expects the reader to KNOW which beast. It is the FIRST beast mentioned in Rev. 13 - the one posttribbers say is Satan. How the imagination does run wild! This beast, according to John, is cast into the lake of fire. HE NEVER GETS OUT. There is no EXIT sign in the Lake of fire. It is one way in, no way out. It is very clear, this beast, who we call the Antichrist is NOT SATAN. This verse proves it. It is a MAN, not a kingdom, that is cast in. And He NEVER gets out. It is NOT Satan that is cast in.

Rev 20:1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3 and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.

As usual, your theories just don't agree with written scripture. You cannot find the lake of fire here anywhere.

Statements like that is what makes you a 'deceiver', and not just someone who hasn't actually studied The Bible and doesn't know any better.

You forgot Rev.20:10 where Satan is cast into the "lake of fire" at the END of Christ's future "thousand years" reign.

And if you haven't figured out what 'beast' back at Rev.19 is cast into the "lake of fire" with the false prophet, it's the 1st beast. "Well, I wonder who that is?", you must be saying to yourself. If that tidbit isn't enough for you to figure out, then you really are lost and confused. But I don't think you are, I think you've come to try and deceive ON PURPOSE, just as some others try to do.

Perhaps I misunderstood you. I was sure you said the Antichrist was Satan. Most of Christendom believes this first beast in Chapter 13 is the man of sin turned Antichrist. Are you now trying to back track and get out of saying that?

The truth is, the man of sin is a MAN, and at the midpoint of the week becomes the "Son of Perdition" when Satan possesses Him. Just as Satan entered into Judas, he will enter into the man of sin. But when the "Beast" is taken,. OF COURSE Satan will slip out. It will be the MAN thrown into the lake of fire. Then later Satan will be bound a thousand years.

Absolutely NO Biblical basis for what you're saying.

Satan has the image of a 'man', as The LORD even showed in Isaiah 14. Even the meaning of the name of the Archangel Gabriel is 'man of God'. ALL... the angels have the image of 'man'.

So your Hollywood ghoul zombie possession theories about that 'man of sin' of 2 Thess.2 are just that, Hollywood show with no substance at all in God's Word.

Satan is an ANGEL, a fallen angel, not a man. I think everyone here believes that much. You say He is John's Antichrist? Perhaps you can back this up with scripture? I do not believe He is John's antichrist. I believe the first Beast of chapter 13 is John's Antichrist. Satan very seldom possesses a human being. He leaves that up to millions of his helpers. But He DID possess Judas. He was that determined to see Jesus put to death.

Finally:

Rev 20:10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Your sarcastic remarks aside, it will be YOU left behind at the pretrib rapture. I doubt with your knowledge you will be deceived by the Beast, but you will be OVERCOME by Him. If you take the mark you will be doomed, but if you lose your head, you could make it to heaven.

But WHY go through that when Jesus has made a way of escape?

I'm going to wait for the True Christ to come like He commanded His Church. But you, well, you're already well fit to fly away to the devil when he comes to Jerusalem claiming to be God. That will be your recompense for wanting to listen to those men you worship instead of The LORD GOD in His Word of Truth.

Yes, go ahead and wait. One day you will wake up and discover the REAL rapture, Paul's rapture has taken place and you are left behind. Good luck trying to make to through the week. You will be overcome along with all those who refuse God's way of escape. If you make it to heaven minus your head, you will find me already there, with my head still intact. I will go up on the first load, and be in that crowd without number. I thank God I am very willing to accept His escape plan! The sad part is, God made this escape plan for EVERYONE. Too bad Posttribbers will not accept it. It is going to get VERY HARD to live! You are going to get HUNGRY. Either you will just give yourself up or you will caught. I don't imagine very many posttribbers live in Judea and will be able to flee with the woman. There will be NO OTHER place to hide.

By the way, I know whom I have believed and am persuaded that He is able to keep what I have committed to Him until that Day. I am taking His way of escape.

Lamad

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iamlamad said:

Your sarcastic remarks aside, it will be YOU left behind at the pretrib rapture. I doubt with your knowledge you will be deceived by the Beast, but you will be OVERCOME by Him. If you take the mark you will be doomed, but if you lose your head, you could make it to heaven.

But WHY go through that when Jesus has made a way of escape?

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It is extreme parable, allegory, and hyperbole, meaning that the true disciples of Yeshua will come to the point where they will allow their own heads to be "cut off" for the sake of the Gospel of Yeshua. At the same time these are likewise in the process of "putting on" the mind of Messiah who is "the Head" of the body of the great congregation. Simply take the similar statements from the Master himself recorded in the Gospel accounts such as "If your right eye offends you pluck it out and cast it from you" or "If your hand or foot offends you cut it off and cast it from you" and apply that same logic to your own head, (because our own minds are full of the vain and wicked machinations of the imagination of the anthropon countenance which savors only the things of man). And when you see all the supernal signs beginning to come to pass; and likewise when your own branches become tender and begin to put forth their foliage, (for every man has a fig and a vine) "Then lift up your head" (and stretch out that neck) "for your purchase-buyback-redemption draweth nigh!"

Brothertom said:

"The day of Christ's coming and our gathering, will not happen unless ("except"), two conditions happen first, the apostasy of many, and the revealing of the man of sin, or the final Antichrist/pseudo-Christ that is to come and sit in a temple in Jerusalem for the very end to claim and show that he is God (i.e., Lucifer's wanna be aim."
He was right.
The Lord used me to reveal the son of Perdition, the Anti-Christ, Osama Bin Laden, last September, on a trip to North Africa....& I witnessed the false prophet travelling with him....a most powerful sorcerer...younger...probably in his early 30s. I also witnessed huge pillars of fire that he called down, 3 times.....40-50 feet high pillars of fire...like a standing tornado. I have looked into their eyes....& they hated me.......I prophesied to them that they would get the world, but not all of it,.....for there would be a remnant upon the coming of the Lord in all nations, & of the Lord-ship of Jesus of Nazareth, & His glory & victory...........& of their end in the Lake of fire.

They attempted to murder me through 4 nations.....ending in Israel....yet I escaped. Does his 7 year reign begin the day he comes out of the sea? It could be. I added 1260 days to the day I met them...[ for the false prophet/sorcerer can only do his miracles in the prescence of the Beast.]..Bin Laden, on September 26th, 2012. This comes to the middle point of 7 Jewish years of 360 days...March 9th.....2019...the day of a great Solar Eclipse...that some believed that the Anti-Christ might be revealed with power.

http://www.fivedoves...1/luisv1217.htm


I think that this might happen, & I believe that this will be the exact same time that the Two-Witnesses will be anointed for their 42 month anointing, along with the total defeat of America, and her impending invasion & occupation....though I am not prophesying it as "thus says God"....but for a short time....every nation will be under his power. America will be the uncorking of all opposition...& the entire world will fall under Sharia Law & their worship of Bin Laden as Mohammed/Allah/Jahweh.

Excerpt from http://brideinthewilderness.blogspot.com/2013/06/the-anti-christ-has-come-7-years-has.html#comment-form

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veteran said:

iamlamad said:

"Rev. 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Posttribbers notice, John expects the reader to KNOW which beast. It is the FIRST beast mentioned in Rev. 13 - the one posttribbers say is Satan. How the imagination does run wild! This beast, according to John, is cast into the lake of fire. HE NEVER GETS OUT. There is no EXIT sign in the Lake of fire. It is one way in, no way out. It is very clear, this beast, who we call the Antichrist is NOT SATAN. This verse proves it. It is a MAN, not a kingdom, that is cast in. And He NEVER gets out. It is NOT Satan that is cast in."

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Per Rev.13:1-2 the 1st beast is a 'kingdom'. So post-tribers do NOT believe what you say they do.

I actually don't think you even understood the idea there are TWO separate 'beasts' taught in Rev.13 until... I pointed it out to you in my previous post!

All one need do is go and read your interpretation about the beasts of Revelation in your previous posts, which proves my point that you didn't know.

The 1st beast of Rev.13 is a 'kingdom' beast.
The 2nd beast of Rev.13:11 forward is an individual, one who speaks as a dragon and does miracles in the sight of men.

The 1st beast is the Rev.19:20 beast that goes into the lake of fire with the false prophet, not Satan himself.

Rev.19 into Rev.20 is in chronological order. Per Rev.20 Satan is preserved in his prison pit throughout Christ's "thousand years" reign, and then loosed one last time after the thousand years. That proves Satan is NOT the particular 'beast' of Rev.19:20!


But your mind is so corrupt from men's doctrines, it cannot keep up with that Scripture meaning.







That's not Biblical.

The coming final Antichrist will involve the building of another Jewish temple in Jerusalem for him to sit in, AS WRITTEN in God's Word (2 Thess.2:3-4).

The DECEIVED JEWS will... worship that false messiah in place of The True Messiah.


Obviously then, it's not going to be Bin Laden, for the Jews would NEVER bow in worship to any ISLAMIC leader.

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iamlamad said:

Veteran, It totally amazed me how you miss what the intent of the author is time and time again. A KINGDOM is not thrown into the lake of fire! MEN, demons and the devil are. Did you not read this?

13:14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast;

Did you catch that? The False prophet can only do his miracles when he is within EYESIGHT of the first beast. Why is that? It is because SATAN is indwelling the first beast. Now, you explain to us HOW he does these miracles IN THE SIGHT of a kingdom. This I want to see.

So now you have to teach us HOW an entire kingdom gets thrown into the lake of fire, and how this false prophet beast can only do his miracles in the sight of a kingdom.

Lamad

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veteran said:

Sorry, but you just don't have the 'right mind' at this stage in your study to rightly divide God's Word on these things. If you would get down to real Bible study asking God's help directly then you might understand, but you won't get it looking everywhere else for it.

TWO separate 'beast' concepts are taught in Rev.13. The 1st one is a kingdom beast, and parallels the kingdom beasts that were given in the Book of Daniel. That's why symbology from the Book of Daniel is taught by Christ in the Rev.13:2 verse to point that out.

At Rev.13:11 begins Bible teaching about the "another beast", which is a 2nd beast, an entity who looks like a lamb but speaks as a dragon. That is about the concept of a coming false messiah, the "another Jesus" Paul taught of in 2 Cor.11, and the man of sin of 2 Thess.2:4.

The 1st beast and false prophet of Rev.13 are manifestings to occur ONLY for the very end of this world for the great tribulation timing. When Jesus returns their manifesting will be over, done, no more. That is why they both go into the lake of fire at Rev.19:20, because that point of time is for after Jesus' coming to destroy those things that will be setup for the tribulation. The devil himself is not... destroyed at that time yet because of what we're told about him later in Rev.20. It's as simple as that.

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iamlamad said:

20 And the beast [NOT the false prophet but the KINGDOM] was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both [the kingdom and the false prophet] were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Sorry, if the KINGDOM was cast into the lake of fire, THERE IS NO REMNANT left. LAMAD

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veteran said:

The meaning is symbolic first of all. Afterall, what kingdom is actually a real "beast"? But you've got verse 20 there right, that "beast" is about the 1st beast of Rev.13:1-2, a kingdom beast. The false prophet worked miracles per the 19th verse, and thus links to the "another beast" of Rev.13:11, a 2nd beast, an entity. The idea is that both are roles for the end, and Christ's coming will destroy both of those roles, and their going into the lake of fire is symbolic of their destruction at Christ's coming by The Sword out of His Mouth.

What comes out of one's mouth anyway? Does that mean a literal sword coming out of Christ's mouth? No.

When Jesus comes on the "last trump", everyone still alive on earth will be changed at the twinkling of an eye. Zechariah 14 reveals a destruction upon some of His enemies that come upon Jerusalem on the last day. Their flesh will melt away.

So what's left after their flesh only... melts away? The spiritual body with soul that Paul taught.

This is why Rev.20 reveals the nations still existing throughout Christ's future "thousand years" reign on earth. And Rev.3 even reveals those of the "synagogue of Satan", His main enemies here on earth, present and bowing during that future "thousand years" reign with His elect. That's what the "rod of iron" is for in that time.

Afterall, God is Just in His Judgments. None born in the flesh are judged and sentenced to perish in the "lake of fire" until AFTER... Christ's "thousand years" reign. Satan and his angels have aleady been judged and sentenced to perish in the lake of fire. Does that give us a hint as to an angleic host coming here on earth in the last days to be destroyed by Christ's coming? Well, what does Rev.12:7-9 teach?

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iamlamad said:

Sorry, where there is a kingdom, there is a KING. The first beast is a MAN that is over a kingdom. It is HE the man, not the kingdom. that is thrown into the lake of fire with the False prophet. Sorry again, but these two are throne in at the battle of Armageddon.

If you imagine these two are not flesh and blood men, but angelic beings, I guess you are free to believe that.

Lamad

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