Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth as a human?

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Was Jesus a spirit being before coming to earth?


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keithr

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Why does the LORD say the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's and YET HE says if you do not keep His words you do not love Him?
Psalms 40:7-8 (WEB):
(7) Then I said, “Behold, I have come. It is written about me in the book in the scroll.
(8) I delight to do your will, my God. Yes, your law is within my heart.”​

Jesus spoke the words that God told him to speak, but nevertheless God's law was written in his heart - he was in total harmony with God and delighted to do His will. John 17 (WEB):

(6) I revealed your name to the people whom you have given me out of the world. They were yours, and you have given them to me. They have kept your word.
(7) Now they have known that all things whatever you have given me are from you,
(8) for the words which you have given me I have given to them, and they received them, and knew for sure that I came from you, and they have believed that you sent me.
(9) I pray for them. I don’t pray for the world, but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.
(10) All things that are mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them.
(11) I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them through your name which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are.​

(22) The glory which you have given me, I have given to them; that they may be one, even as we are one;
(23) I in them, and you in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that you sent me, and loved them, even as you loved me.
(24) Father, I desire that they also whom you have given me be with me where I am, that they may see my glory, which you have given me, for you loved me before the foundation of the world.
(25) Righteous Father, the world hasn’t known you, but I knew you; and these knew that you sent me.
(26) I made known to them your name, and will make it known; that the love with which you loved me may be in them, and I in them.”​

Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God,
That translation gives the opposite meaning to the true meaning! For example, the WEB translates Philippians 2:6-7 as:

(6) who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,
(7) but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men.​

The context shows that Jesus didn't consider being, becoming or remaining equal with God, but instead willingly surrendered to God's will and became a servant of God (and men). It goes on to say:

(9) Therefore God also highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name;
(10) that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth,
(11) and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.​

Everyone should acknowledge that Jesus is Lord, not God, which will give the glory to God. Jesus is Lord (or Master), for God has given him all authority over mankind and the angels. But there is ony one true God, our Father, and Jesus's Father, YHVH.

1 Corinthians 15:27-28 (WEB):
(27) For, “He put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when he says, “All things are put in subjection”, it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him.
(28) When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.​

I concur with Paul in Ephesians 1:17 (WEB), who prayed:
(17) that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him;​
 

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Immanuel does not mean God came to be with us here, as a matter of fact He spoke from heaven at His son's baptism, rather it means He was with humans by providing the means for our redemption as Jn 3:16 which I am sure you can quote states.

Immanuel means "God with us"
It comes from Isaiah where in the same breath by the Holy Spirit it is written that Jesus's name is ALMIGHTY GOD and ETERNAL FATHER.

But a veil remains over their heart, to this day
 

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It comes from Isaiah where in the same breath by the Holy Spirit it is written that Jesus's name is ALMIGHTY GOD and ETERNAL FATHER.
You are misquoting. It does not say 'almighty God', it says, Isaiah 9:6 (KJV):

(6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.​
 
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Psalms 40:7-8 (WEB):
(7) Then I said, “Behold, I have come. It is written about me in the book in the scroll.
(8) I delight to do your will, my God. Yes, your law is within my heart.”​

Jesus spoke the words that God told him to speak, but nevertheless God's law was written in his heart - he was in total harmony with God and delighted to do His will. John 17 (WEB):

(6) I revealed your name to the people whom you have given me out of the world. They were yours, and you have given them to me. They have kept your word.
(7) Now they have known that all things whatever you have given me are from you,
(8) for the words which you have given me I have given to them, and they received them, and knew for sure that I came from you, and they have believed that you sent me.
(9) I pray for them. I don’t pray for the world, but for those whom you have given me, for they are yours.
(10) All things that are mine are yours, and yours are mine, and I am glorified in them.
(11) I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, keep them through your name which you have given me, that they may be one, even as we are.​

(22) The glory which you have given me, I have given to them; that they may be one, even as we are one;
(23) I in them, and you in me, that they may be perfected into one; that the world may know that you sent me, and loved them, even as you loved me.
(24) Father, I desire that they also whom you have given me be with me where I am, that they may see my glory, which you have given me, for you loved me before the foundation of the world.
(25) Righteous Father, the world hasn’t known you, but I knew you; and these knew that you sent me.
(26) I made known to them your name, and will make it known; that the love with which you loved me may be in them, and I in them.”​


That translation gives the opposite meaning to the true meaning! For example, the WEB translates Philippians 2:6-7 as:

(6) who, existing in the form of God, didn’t consider equality with God a thing to be grasped,
(7) but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men.​

The context shows that Jesus didn't consider being, becoming or remaining equal with God, but instead willingly surrendered to God's will and became a servant of God (and men). It goes on to say:

(9) Therefore God also highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name;
(10) that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, those on earth, and those under the earth,
(11) and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.​

Everyone should acknowledge that Jesus is Lord, not God, which will give the glory to God. Jesus is Lord (or Master), for God has given him all authority over mankind and the angels. But there is ony one true God, our Father, and Jesus's Father, YHVH.

1 Corinthians 15:27-28 (WEB):
(27) For, “He put all things in subjection under his feet.” But when he says, “All things are put in subjection”, it is evident that he is excepted who subjected all things to him.
(28) When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.​

I concur with Paul in Ephesians 1:17 (WEB), who prayed:
(17) that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him;​

Kiethr, i have to go now - will speak with later - PEACE

PEACE in CHRIST
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Wow man.
What was the charge made against Jesus when He let them crucified Him?
He was accused of claiming to be the king of the Jews.

Why were the pharisees always trying to stone Him to death?
Because they didn't understand what he was saying.
 

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Wow man.
What was the charge made against Jesus when He let them crucified Him?
Why were the pharisees always trying to stone Him to death?

And we must understand who the Pharisees/Saduccees/Jews were at that time - they were the keepers of Torah and the Scripture.
YET , they were blind to their own Messiah doing miracles in their midst (HELLO) as their own Prophets declared.

So, as then, so it is today - my Friend. PEACE

Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.
 

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And we must understand who the Pharisees/Saduccees/Jews were at that time - they were the keepers of Torah and the Scripture.
YET , they were blind to their own Messiah doing miracles in their midst (HELLO) as their own Prophets declared.

So, as then, so it is today - my Friend. PEACE

Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise. But, as he who was born according to the flesh then persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, even so it is now.
@David in NJ This is also the message of Galatians, right? :) It's by the Spirit through faith; even religious tradition -vehemently pursued - is really an act of the flesh...
 
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@David in NJ This is also the message of Galatians, right? :) It's by the Spirit through faith; even religious tradition -vehemently pursued - is really an act of the flesh...

Yes Brother - Galatians ch4

Yes, religious tradition that opposes the Word and the Sprirt can be an act of the flesh and even worse masquerading in Sheep clothing.
 
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@David in NJ This is also the message of Galatians, right? :) It's by the Spirit through faith; even religious tradition -vehemently pursued - is really an act of the flesh...

Dear Brother, i know i may have offended you in the past and please forgive me ( the Hockey Player in me can be too quick to the puck and run you into the boards).

Today, if you hear His Voice...........Amen

Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
 

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Dear Brother, i know i may have offended you in the past and please forgive me ( the Hockey Player in me can be too quick to the puck and run you into the boards).

Today, if you hear His Voice...........Amen

Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.
@David in NJ Great verse there! (No worries; I hope I don't have a short fuse...)
 

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Wow what are you a Mormon?

Talk about polytheism!

There is only one God!
He is manifest in the flesh, in Jesus Christ!
Note: even “Mormons “ believe there’s only 1 God. The Father, Son, and Spirit are three different divine persons in that one God.
 

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How is God with us sir, physically? Or since the Bible reveals that no man can see God and live, was He with us by way of providing the means for life? John 3:16

The English language is a strange language Bob, as there are so many meanings and usages of words.
No mortal man can live in the presence of the Father, who dwells in unapproachable light.

Jesus, however, emptied Himself of the manifestation of His power, to become a man. Philippians 2:6-7.

As God in the flesh, He WAS seen, and the above facts is why Jesus said that whoever has seen HIM, has seen the father.

It’s not a hard concept. The Father is God, and Jesus is God but is not the father.
 
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How is God with us sir, physically? Or since the Bible reveals that no man can see God and live, was He with us by way of providing the means for life? John 3:16

The English language is a strange language Bob, as there are so many meanings and usages of words.

No mortal man can live in the presence of the Father, who dwells in unapproachable light.

Jesus, however, emptied Himself of the manifestation of His power, to become a man. Philippians 2:6-7.

As God in the flesh, He WAS seen, and the above facts is why Jesus said that whoever has seen HIM, has seen the father.

It’s not a hard concept. The Father is God, and Jesus is God but is not the father.
Robert, it would appear that Curtis has not understood what you were saying. Or is it me?

God is with us just as he was with Jesus, and just as Jesus is now with us...which is in spirit, us having been born of that same spirit of God. God is spirit. So, no, "God with us', is not physical.

I do believe that is what your were referring to, the point you were making.
 

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No mortal man can live in the presence of the Father, who dwells in unapproachable light.

Jesus, however, emptied Himself of the manifestation of His power, to become a man. Philippians 2:6-7.

As God in the flesh, He WAS seen, and the above facts is why Jesus said that whoever has seen HIM, has seen the father.

It’s not a hard concept. The Father is God, and Jesus is God but is not the father.

YES Dear Friend, how could the LORD be anything less then God from whom HE was/is One(Echad) with.

Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
Can an angel give Eternal Life? NO

When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you?
Does it offend you(anyone) that Christ is Eternal Life just as the Father is Eternal Life just as the Holy Spirit is Eternal Life.

What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before?

And where is 'Before'??? = Eternal Elohim, Echad Elohim
 

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YES Dear Friend, how could the LORD be anything less then God from whom HE was/is One(Echad) with.

Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day.
Can an angel give Eternal Life? NO

When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you?
Does it offend you(anyone) that Christ is Eternal Life just as the Father is Eternal Life just as the Holy Spirit is Eternal Life.

What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before?

And where is 'Before'??? = Eternal Elohim, Echad Elohim
Transubstantiation is bogus, so is consubstantiation, however.

Communion is a solemn remembrance of His sacrifice of His flesh and blood.

In John 6 Jesus was speaking spiritually but let the crowd who only followed Him to get fed, think otherwise, so they’d leave, and only true followers remained.

Shalom Aleichem
 
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Immanuel means "God with us"
It comes from Isaiah where in the same breath by the Holy Spirit it is written that Jesus's name is ALMIGHTY GOD and ETERNAL FATHER.

But a veil remains over their heart, to this day

The Bible never refers to Jesus as the Almighty Post. Since God sent His son, and Jesus His son is recorded in the Bible as the one who came, then God was not physically with us, rather His son was. Jehovah was with us just as the Bible states, He sent the provision for redemption. When Jehovah asked Abraham to sacrifice his only begotten son showing to His people what must take place, was Isaac Abraham? No Abraham was the father, Isaac was the son. Jehovah is not Jesus, nor has He physically ever interacted with man. The Holy Scriptures indicate otherwise, no man has seen God at any time.
 

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No mortal man can live in the presence of the Father, who dwells in unapproachable light.

Jesus, however, emptied Himself of the manifestation of His power, to become a man. Philippians 2:6-7.

As God in the flesh, He WAS seen, and the above facts is why Jesus said that whoever has seen HIM, has seen the father.

It’s not a hard concept. The Father is God, and Jesus is God but is not the father.

God resided in heaven while Jesus was on earth Curt, and actually spoke from heaven at Jesus' baptism. Jesus was perfect, in other words without sin, he lived and did everything exactly as Jehovah would have if He came personally. That is why he stated that whoever seen him seen the Father also. That is very comforting actually as many feel that Jehovah was a very vicious unloving God, and Jesus was exactly the opposite. We can discern God's love by the life of Jesus. What a wonderful King he will be in the coming Kingdom of God for us.
 

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Robert, it would appear that Curtis has not understood what you were saying. Or is it me?

God is with us just as he was with Jesus, and just as Jesus is now with us...which is in spirit, us having been born of that same spirit of God. God is spirit. So, no, "God with us', is not physical.

I do believe that is what your were referring to, the point you were making.

Hi Scott, you are in line with what I am saying. Perhaps I am not always understandable, I try to be, but of course that is an impossibility with all of us as clearly seen from so many different understandings of Jesus' words.

Curtis stated that Jesus was God in the flesh, which is not accurate, Jesus is God's son whom God sent to the earth, He did not come Himself. God's law demands equal payment for what is lost, soul for soul applies here, and what a perfect example to send. God's firstborn human son lost life for mankind, and God sent His firstborn spirit son to redeem what His firstborn human son lost. Interesting isn't it Scott?