Aspen
I appreciate your position is one of status quo, but I feel you are yet to consider the eternal riches stored in the nature of Christ...I understand you accept Christian thought as revealed by Church Forefathers who for the most learnt from Plato and his cronies.
I am asking you to speak to the verses “themselves” and not to fall back “continually” on those things you have been taught as a child.
The Bible clearly states that Jesus was born of a woman being in the condemned line of Adam (man) for a reason, however you have failed thus far to communicate that reason as the Bible reveals him (Son of Man)
You don’t believe there was enmity in his flesh, a mind that warred against his spirit mind desiring to work within him. Jesus himself often expressed this internal battle “not
my will but thine”
Until you accept Jesus was like you and I in “every” way in his physical state and form, the very foundation of how you are atoned for is without basis.
You declare Jesus was victorious – but over what?
If he couldn’t be tempted to sin
If he couldn’t really die
Then what was he victorious over?
Answer:
God in sending His son with this nature of “flesh and blood” spent 33 years operating (spiritually) on his character, perfecting a pure sound mind through suffering. This produced a morally sinless son by allowing His Father to operate even second of every day; together they put to death the “law in his members”, every day they crucified his lusts in the flesh Gal 5:23 and God (His Father) was able to hold captive every single rebellious thought and remove its power “sin”.
While his body was an offence to God because that’s where sin “reigns” or has its dominion, it was here God confronted sin with righteousness making sin powerless in a “body of sin” God destroyed its power first of Jesus and then over us by faith.
Our victory over the illness of death was cured because Jesus
“came in the flesh” and overcame its propensity to sin. While his flesh was tainted with hereditary death, this was something totally outside his control in every way, for it was his Fathers will that he be born of a woman
Gal 4:4.
If you say he didn’t have sinful flesh then you must also say he didn’t fight the battle that you and I fight every day, he wasn’t tempted to sin in all points like us, he was make like his brethren and him being born of a woman was a facade, a show and in my view lacks substance.
My God is powerful that he allowed his son to dwell in the body of sin and made him strong in overcoming sins power. That’s what Heb 2:14,15 is all about.
Jesus and us fear death we are under slavery to death, we pray for deliverance form death, now Jesus never and I repeat never needed to be reconciled to God, absolutely not! BUT he needed redeeming from his body of death and tasted death for all that through him we may have everlasting life.
