Divinity Verses Deity of Jesus Christ.

Aunty Jane said:

But when we examine these texts carefully, we find that those arguing for “the divinity of Christ” view these verses as saying more than they really do.

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You got that right! I have found that over and over and over again. So sad.

Aunty Jane said:

Paul also said: “You belong to Christ; Christ, in turn, belongs to God.” (1 Corinthians 3:23)"

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Profound! I'll have to add that to my collection.

Aunty Jane said:

So Jesus was divine....but he was not God.

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Trinitarians argue being divine means he is God. Major mistake. I do like the clarification to John 1:1. It annoys trinitarians to know end as they have so little support for their doctrine to begin with.

The writings that came earlier, were less figurative and make it clearer that Jesus was the fulfillment of the word God put in the people at Deuteronomy 18:15-18. And Luke re-stated this emphatically. Obviously, John 1:1 has to be looked at in this light. Jesus was Sent by God, Chosen by God, who will raise up from among the people a prophet.

20 Then God may send Jesus the Anointed, whom God has chosen for you. 21 He is in heaven now and must remain there until the day of universal restoration comes—the restoration which in ancient times God announced through the holy prophets. 22 Moses, for example, said, “The Eternal One your God will raise up from among your people a prophet who will be like me. You must listen to Him. 23 And whoever does not listen to His words will be completely uprooted from among the people.”
Acts 3:20-23 (Voice)

Aunty Jane said:

He did not accept worship but said all worship was to go to his God and Father. (Luke 4:5-8) Quoting Deuteronomy 6:14 Jesus said "It is written ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’"

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The idea that only God can be worshipped is a trinitarian construct to support Jesus being a deity. Scripture has other men who were worshipped - David, Daniel & Darius - and, of course, trinitarian biased translations abuse the language to suit their doctrine. 1 Kings 1:16 DRA, JUB & WYC. Daniel 2:46, 6:6.

How could a mere human serve as "Lamb of God" ?
Or be completely without sin?

And how could a mere human forgive sins? (Something only God can do)

Isaiah 9:6-7
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.
KJV


Matt 1:23
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
KJV

Problem solved! Jesus Christ is GOD, having come in the flesh!

Aunty Jane said:

Only if you dismiss a whole lot of scripture....
The designations in Isaiah 9:6-7 are prophetic of the Messiah, so they have to coincide with what the Messiah would accomplish in these roles mentioned there....in the Jewish understanding of Jewish scripture.

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NOPE! God did NOT promise only JEWS would understand that, which is basically what you just said in the part above I underlined.

As a matter of FACT, the orthodox Jews STILL TODAY do not understand that Isaiah 9 Scripture being about Jesus of Nazareth, The Messiah! They do not believe Jesus of Nazareth is "The everlasting Father", nor "The mighty God", just like what you believe, which shows you align with unbelieving Jews.

John 10:30
30 I and My Father are one.
KJV

Aunty Jane said:

@Wrangler

Jesus testified that he had a prehuman existence. He said: “No man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man.” (John 3:13)

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AJ: Well I knew I would have to respond to when you might expose your religious doctrine of the JWs one day. And here it is....
There is a lot you have said in your OP. I reject most of it based on scripture. I will just start with my first objection, John 3:13.
This verse says nothing of a pre-human existence!

You are familiar with local idioms then and even today. They cannot be taken literally as you know. They mask the identities of the literal facts hidden within them. They compact or condense its literal meaning. There's one embedded in John 3:13, 'descended (came down) from heaven.' It should not be taken literally.

Christ did not descent from heaven, literally. His Father, his own Spirit descended from heaven to beget his Son, Yahshua.

The Judeans/Pharisees and John who wrote down these words, would never mean that the Christ was incarnated at all. It would never enter their minds. It was Greek pagan mythology to them.

This common idiom then was 'came down for heaven.' They used it only to speak of God being the source, period!

So this verse in an expanded more understandable form writes like this:

"No man has ever gone into heaven, except the the one who was begotten by God - the Son of Man."

Compare it with the idiom:
"No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man."(NIV)

Another example is from James 1:17:

It says that every good gift is “from above” and “comes down” from God.

It is very clear that James meant literally, God is the AUTHOR and SOURCE of the good things in our lives. God is the one who really provides.

The verse does not mean literally that the good things in our lives come directly and physically down from heaven.

Most Christians experience the Lord blessing them via other people and events, but realize that the ultimate source of the blessings was the LORD.

We should apply John’s words the same way we understand James’ words—that God is the source of Jesus Christ, which He was. Christ was part of God’s plan, and therefore God directly fathered Jesus, and in turn became the voice of his Father.

-------------John 6:51 is similar..no incarnation here for the same reason....
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John 1:6; 3:31, 34; 6:33, 38, 51, 62; 8:23, 42b, 16:28 reveal similar idioms that really do not say Yahshua came from heaven or pre-existed before his birth.

Aunty Jane said:

That scripture says that no one went to heaven before Jesus, but that Jesus was returning to heaven, is the point. He cannot return to somewhere he has never been.

THE apostle John opened up his account, saying: “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God.” By that he did not mean the beginning of Jesus’ public ministry on earth nineteen centuries ago. He meant that the Word had a prehuman existence, long before he “became flesh” on earth. John makes that point clear all through his account. More than a month after Jesus was baptized in the Jordan River, John the Baptist called attention to Jesus and to his previous life, saying: “See, the Lamb of God that takes away the sin of the world! This is the one about whom I said, Behind me there comes a man who has advanced in front of me, because he existed before me. Even I did not know him, but the reason why I came baptizing in water was that he might be made manifest to Israel.”—John 1:29-31.


Any notions they had about Jesus would have been allayed by Jesus himself. He was their constant companion for three and a half years, so what is in the Bible is by no means all he said and did. (John 21:25)

Jesus spoke of himself as symbolical manna from heaven and said to the Jews: “Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but my Father does give you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is the one who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” “I have come down from heaven to do, not my will, but the will of him that sent me.” “I am the living bread that came down from heaven; if anyone eats of this bread he will live forever; and, for a fact, the bread that I shall give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world.” “He also that feeds on me, even that one will live because of me. This is the bread that came down from heaven.” Many Jews murmured at such sayings of Jesus, and so he surprised them still more when he said: “Does this stumble you? What, therefore, if you should behold the Son of man ascending to where he was before?”—John 6:32, 33,38, 51, 57, 58, 61, 62.
Giving Jesus’ words symbolic meaning is an assumption, not given anywhere in the Christian scriptures. When Jesus said that he came down from heaven.....I believe that is exactly what he meant....and the fact that he said he was going to return there is confirmation of that. His mission completed, he returned “to where he was before”.


So this is gospel to you, no ifs or buts?
Not even the words of Jesus himself referring to him returning to where he was before, can be literal to your understanding. That is a big wave of the hand my friend.

“Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was. Also, I am no longer in the world, but they are in the world and I am coming to you. Holy Father, watch over them on account of your own name which you have given me, in order that they may be one just as we are. . . . I wish that, where I am, they also may be with me, in order to behold my glory that you have given me, because you loved me before the founding of the world. “—John 17:5, 11, 24.


You mean Yahweh? Is there a reluctance on your part to even use his name? Those who cannot call on the name of Yahweh (Jehovah or whatever way his illustrious name is translated in other languages) cannot come to his son for salvation.
Romans 10:13-14....
“For “everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved.” 14 However, how will they call on him if they have not put faith in him? How, in turn, will they put faith in him about whom they have not heard? How, in turn, will they hear without someone to preach?“

Paul was quoting Joel 2:32, where the divine name is clearly in the text.....did the apostles know the name of their God? Jesus made sure of it....
John 17:25-26...
“Righteous Father, the world has, indeed, not come to know you, but I know you, and these have come to know that you sent me. 26 I have made your name known to them and will make it known, so that the love with which you loved me may be in them and I in union with them.”


We will all account to God for the way we approach scripture.....some of us will be dead wrong and God will not correct us if our heart is set to accept what is not truth. (2 Thessalonians 2:9-12)
No one comes to the son without an invitation from the Father. (John 6:65)
No one who is happy with what is not truth, will get this invitation. It’s like Jesus said...”you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free”.......that is freedom from what is not truth....but that which shackles those who don’t want to know it.....not willing to make an adjustment in their thinking....justifying their beliefs. As long as God knows who is one of his own is really all that matters.

When the day of judgment comes, then we will all know for sure if we have put our trust in the right place.

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AJ, your response seems very confusing to me. Are you actually responding to my post? If you do not want to comment on what I actually wrote then I guess I'm done, or I can go on and response to all this one and/or the rest of the last post you made.

For example, John 1:1-2 does not reveal any pre-existence of Christ either. Do you want me to make a quick commentary of it as I did in my previous post on the same theme?

@Aunty Jane I decided to continue for a bit and keep responding to your posts even though you have thus far all but dismissed my first one.

So you believe that the point of John 3:13 is that Christ is RETURNING to heaven from where he was before. This conclusion is baseless. If you attempted to read my post and understand it more, God (YHWH) of heaven is the source of Christ's creation, and Christ is telling his audience he is going to heaven for the FIRST time and those who believe in him shall not die. This is the POINT.

Look at the context of the verse and this POINT is answered clearly in the next two verses.

Verse 14-15 says, He must be raised to heaven to provide us eternal life for the first time. It would be his FIRST time, his first time on the Cross, his first and one time he would die and be resurrected for atonement and provide the way to salvation, as reflected in Moses symbolism with the snake on the pole in the desert (wilderness)

The POINT of his FIRST ascension as the man Jesus is all wrapped around his one sacrifice and death and resurrection and his new founded power after his ascension into heaven...powered by God, his Father.

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Aunty Jane said:

What am I missing APAK? I showed you scripture that proved Jesus came from heaven and returned there after his mission was complete. You have a completely different view of Jesus than I do, and the scripture in John 3:1-15 doesn't say what you think it does IMO.

You seem to assume that idioms are more important than direct statements......I'll go with the direct statement because they do not contradict what the rest of the scriptures say.

You believe that Jesus the man was God's creation, but Revelation 3:14 shows that he was creation's very beginning.
Paul too called Jesus "the firstborn al ALL creation" (Colossians 1:15) which places him before all created things, since he had a hand in bringing them into existence. Jesus prayed to have the glory that he had alongside his Father "before the world was"....

Clear statements cannot be ignored.....your assertions are groundless to me.

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As you said:" You seem to assume that idioms are more important than direct statements......I'll go with the direct statement because they do not contradict what the rest of the scriptures say."

What are DIRECT statements? Are they the ones you want them to mean? And then you say these do not contradict scripture. Then you are being intentionally vague I see...and you won't even take the time to really show this...I would think you would be delighted to provide this information.

And if you did actually find a contradiction is the way I interpreted John 3:13 by pointing out the use of a common idiom, you most definitely would have been specific and pointed it out to me. You didn't, because 1. it does not contradict in any way because it fits the context of Christ having to be raised for our sake, by the same God that birthed him would also raise him, and 2., you are really not that interested whether I brought up the use of context with you as your primary goal is already predetermined with only one specific and odd meaning and outcome for John 3:13 to fit your doctrine you narrative.

Anyway, your rendition and interpretation of John 3:13 is clearly a sore thumb and completely ruins the context of Christ in what he was attempting to say. Don't you think his audience would have dropped their jaws and stood motionless if Christ ever said nonchalantly, 'well I'm returning back up to heaven where I came from in the beginning. You must be kidding me...so he was conscious of a pre-existence you believed he had? He would have shouted about it to everyone and everywhere, and used it in all his preaching..again are you kidding me....he never does say of a pre-existing life because he never was in heaven before he was physically born.

To Rev 3:14....

Rev 3:14 'To the angel of the church in Laodicea, write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.' (NIV)

This is your version of this verse:

“To the angel of the congregation in Laodicea write: These are the things that the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation by God,” (Revelation 3:14, New World Translation).

You have used the Greek word 'arche' to mean exclusively 'beginning' to give the impression that Christ is the first created of God from the beginning of creation. Again you have ignored the context as you did in John 3.- deliberately!

The context of this verse is that Christ is currently ruling over his body of people, TODAY. Verse 15-19 say: He is reprimanding, reproving and disciplining his church TODAY(v. 19) and providing places beside him with the Father, TODAY (v. 21).

Thus, the translation of 'arche' as “ruler” is the best fit for the context. No one can really argue the fact that Christ is TODAY the ruler over all of God’s (his Father's) creation especially over his own Body?! This is the POINT here in verse Rev 3:14....and it is IN CONTEXT..

And even if we substituted back in 'beginning' instead of 'ruler,' for the Greek transliterated word ‘arche’ in verse 14, it still would indicate that Christ is the ‘beginning’ of the firstborn from the dead, of the (new) creation; and that he rules over it TODAY.

When you use the word 'beginning' as the 'first' or ‘beginning’ of the 'old' creation in verse 14 it really ruins the flow, and the context of what Christ is saying to his Body (Churches). Do the verses surrounding verse 14 speak to the 'old' creation.'? Of course not. You have just found another verse that supports your doctrine and narrative. Another standout.

Aunty Jane said:

@Wrangler
"Some who say that they accept Jesus’ teachings view him as God’s Son, not as the Creator himself. Others believe in “the divinity of Christ” and think that he is actually God. They hold that Jesus always existed and was more than a human when he was here on the earth. Are they right about this? What do the Scriptures say?

Jesus testified that he had a prehuman existence. He said: “No man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man.” (John 3:13) Jesus also stated: “I am the living bread that came down from heaven; if anyone eats of this bread he will live forever; and, for a fact, the bread that I shall give is my flesh in behalf of the life of the world.”—John 6:51.

Just before his death, Jesus prayed: “Father, glorify me alongside yourself with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was.”—John 17:5.

The Scriptures make it clear that Jesus was entirely human from his birth until his death. John did not say that the Word was merely clothed with flesh. He “became flesh” and was not part flesh and part God. . . .how could it could have been said that he had been “made a little lower than angels.”—Hebrews 2:9; Psalm 8:4, 5.

If Jesus had been both God and man when on the earth, why did he repeatedly pray to Jehovah? Paul wrote: “In the days of his flesh Christ offered up supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and tears, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear.”—Hebrews 5:7.

Those saying that Jesus was a God-man use various scriptures in an effort to prove that he is a member of Christendom’s Trinity, equal with God in essence, power, glory, and duration. But when we examine these texts carefully, we find that those arguing for “the divinity of Christ” view these verses as saying more than they really do.

....what did Jesus mean when he told his followers to baptize disciples “in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the holy spirit”? (Matthew 28:19, 20) Jesus did not mean or say that he, his Father, and the holy spirit were coequal. Rather, those baptized recognize Jehovah as the Life-Giver and Almighty God, to whom they dedicate their life. They accept Jesus as the Messiah and the one through whom God provided a ransom for believing mankind. And they realize that the holy spirit is God’s active force, to which they must submit.

Those who claim that God took on human existence as a God-man should note that the Bible does not even hint that Jesus viewed himself in such a way. Rather, it consistently shows that Jesus has always been inferior to his Father. When on the earth, Jesus never claimed to be more than "the Son of God". Moreover, Christ said: “The Father is greater than I am.”—John 14:28.

Paul made a distinction between Jehovah and Jesus in saying: “There is actually to us one God the Father, out of whom all things are, and we for him; and there is one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are, and we through him.” (1 Corinthians 8:6) Paul also said: “You belong to Christ; Christ, in turn, belongs to God.” (1 Corinthians 3:23)"
(excerpts from https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1992044?q=divinity&p=par)

So was Jesus divine i.e. of a divine origin, or with divine authority? Or was Jesus deity, i.e. part God and part man?

Understanding the word "theos" in Greek answers that question....."theos" is translated "god" because this term applied to all those considered divine, or of divine origin, or with divine authority.

The word applied to the true God....to false gods....to satan....and even to the human Judges in Israel. It does not always mean the one singular God of Israel (Deuteronomy 6:4)...the Almighty Creator. There was no word for him in the Greek language because at that time, he was nameless. All the Greek gods had individual names, but Yahweh's name, according to a Jewish superstition, could not be uttered.

So, if the divine name had still been in use, John 1:1 the most widely used verse to promote the deity of Christ, would have read....
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with Yahweh, and the Word was divine."
And there would never have been this confusion. (John 17:3)

God's name was divine because it had the Creator himself as its origin. Jesus was divine because he too had the father as his Creator.....but nowhere is Jesus ever called a deity.

So Jesus was divine....but he was not God. He did not accept worship but said all worship was to go to his God and Father. (Luke 4:5-8) Quoting Deuteronomy 6:14 Jesus said "It is written ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’"

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Jesus was worshipped

Jesus is worshipped!
Only God may be worshipped!

Matthew 4:10
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Matthew 2:11
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

Matthew 8:2
And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

Matthew 9:18
While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.

Matthew 14:33
Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Matthew 15:25
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

John 9:38
And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.

TLHKAJ said:

Actually, scripture does state that Jesus Christ is God and also Creator.

Hebrews 3:1-19
[1]Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;
[2]Who was faithful to him that appointed him, as also Moses was faithful in all his house.
[3]For this man was counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as he who hath builded the house hath more honour than the house.
[4]For every house is builded by some man; but he that built all things is God.
[5]And Moses verily was faithful in all his house, as a servant, for a testimony of those things which were to be spoken after;
[6]But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
[7]Wherefore (as the Holy Ghost saith, To day if ye will hear his voice,
[8]Harden not your hearts, as in the provocation, in the day of temptation in the wilderness:
[9]When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years.
[10]Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways.
[11]So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.)
[12]Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.
[13]But exhort one another daily, while it is called To day; lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
[14]For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
[15]While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.
[16]For some, when they had heard, did provoke: howbeit not all that came out of Egypt by Moses.
[17]But with whom was he grieved forty years? was it not with them that had sinned, whose carcases fell in the wilderness?
[18]And to whom sware he that they should not enter into his rest, but to them that believed not?
[19]So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

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Jesus Christ is referred to as the one who is worthy of more glory than Moses. Why? Because he who builds a house has more honor than the house. Verse 4 says that every house is built by some man, but he who built all things is God. Verse 6 says that Christ is a son over his own house. We are His house. Who created us? God did. And yet, the scriptures say ...Christ built the house. Which is true? Well, both are true because Jesus Christ is God the Son.

John chapter one declares it plainly that Jesus is the Word and the Word was God. It further states that "all things were made by Him and without Him was not anything made that was made."

Furthermore, we have more record in Colossians chapter one of Christ as Creator.

Colossians 1:16-17
[16]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[17]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Idk how much more clear it could be said. You have to take all the scripture together to have the whole picture. Hebrews chapter 3 and verse 4 says "he that built all things is God." Jesus is God. Those who do not believe He is God (as chapter 3 goes on to state) have hardened their hearts.

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AJ: John actually never said Jesus was the word in his opening words. John was ensuring the God, his Father was the word/ logos, the source of divinity, and most folks still missed it. People have guessed or wanted it to meant CHrist to fit their religion. He did say however (in Rev) that Christ is the word OF GOD. Two things to deduce from this: 1. the word is of God, his Father and therefore Jesus is not either God or his intrinsic and attribute word, and 2., The logos or voice/expression (word) of God, his Father was or became him, he possessed his Father's word as he walked this earth, after his baptism and anointment.

And Paul never said the Jesus was the creator as in Genesis. People have guessed or wanted this to be true. Paul was speaking to the creation and power he now and made as the firstborn from the dead, and now possessing power of his Father in heaven to maintain and grow the Body, the church on earth as it leader and Lord. The 'all' things created through/ by him in heaven and the earth, powers, rulers is 'limited' for ONLY the benefit of the Church primarily. Ii is a separate and specialized creation for/by him. This is what Christ is doing today..he is still creating things and for the benefit of his Church.

Lk 1:68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

Jesus visited and redeemed the people, Jesus is the horn of salvation!

Jesus is eternal God!

No wiggling out of this one!

Jesus is worshipped!
Only God may be worshipped!

Matthew 4:10
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

Matthew 2:11
And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him gifts; gold, and frankincense and myrrh.

Matthew 8:2
And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

Matthew 9:18
While he spake these things unto them, behold, there came a certain ruler, and worshipped him, saying, My daughter is even now dead: but come and lay thy hand upon her, and she shall live.

Matthew 14:33
Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God.

Matthew 15:25
Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.

John 9:38
And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him.





2 cor 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.

Heb 9:14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?


Only God can be all knowing and therefore the just judge!

Final judgement by Jesus Christ the eternal God!


John 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing!

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

Only God has this power!

the divinity of Christ and the holy trinity are “Christian doctrines” revealed by Christ to the church of the apostles; to deny them is to deny Christ and salvation!

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Trinity / Divinity

1 Jn 1:2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us

The Didache
“After the foregoing instructions, baptize in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living [running] water. . . . If you have neither, pour water three times on the head, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit” (Didache 7:1 [A.D. 70]).

Ignatius of Antioch
“[T]o the Church at Ephesus in Asia . . . chosen through true suffering by the will of the Father in Jesus Christ our God” (Letter to the Ephesians 1 [A.D. 110]).

“For our God, Jesus Christ, was conceived by Mary in accord with God’s plan: of the seed of David, it is true, but also of the Holy Spirit” (ibid., 18:2).

Justin Martyr
“We will prove that we worship him reasonably; for we have learned that he is the Son of the true God himself, that he holds a second place, and the Spirit of prophecy a third. For this they accuse us of madness, saying that we attribute to a crucified man a place second to the unchangeable and eternal God, the Creator of all things; but they are ignorant of the mystery which lies therein” (First Apology 13:5–6 [A.D. 151]).