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The Christian Church is a Church that is led by Jesus/Holy Spirit. All people who have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit make up the Christian Church. Jesus will put his laws into their minds, and they will not need anyone to teach them.



Christians are all those people whom God knows, and who know God. These are the people who make up the Christian Church.



One cannot come to know God unless the Holy Spirit/Jesus teaches and guides him or her.



Jesus said he would call his own out by name, and then lead and guide them.



A Christian does not deliberately commit sin.



A Christian is not of the world.



A Christian does not kill. A Christian conquers evil with love.



 

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Is a church any place where Christians are gathered together? So in that sense is this group also a church?

The world wide web has allowed so many people to meet who would otherwise never have known each other in any way. There's good and bad to that. We can take the good and use it to reach out to others and share together.
 

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Is a church any place where Christians are gathered together? So in that sense is this group also a church?

The world wide web has allowed so many people to meet who would otherwise never have known each other in any way. There's good and bad to that. We can take the good and use it to reach out to others and share together.


My OP is referring to the #3 description: a body or organization of religious believers: as a : the whole body of Christians

Definition of Church:
: A building for public and especially Christian worship

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: the clergy or officialdom of a religious body

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often capitalized : a body or organization of religious believers: as a : the whole body of Christians b : denomination <the Presbyterian church> c : congregation





 

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The Christian Church is a Church that is led by Jesus/Holy Spirit. All people who have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit make up the Christian Church. Jesus will put his laws into their minds, and they will not need anyone to teach them.



Christians are all those people whom God knows, and who know God. These are the people who make up the Christian Church.



One cannot come to know God unless the Holy Spirit/Jesus teaches and guides him or her.



Jesus said he would call his own out by name, and then lead and guide them.



A Christian does not deliberately commit sin.



A Christian is not of the world.



A Christian does not kill. A Christian conquers evil with love.

You know Thankful, it is this type of subjective, private interpretation, masquerading as reliance 'only on God' that produces people like Harold Camping.
 
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Aspen, we don't always see eye to eye, but 100% agree on that statement.

Thankful, I actually have an appreciation for your focus on a relationship with Jesus. And your statements sound nice of the surface and something that most Christians would agree with. However, the tone underneath is one of a solely personal life with Jesus with disregard for what anyone else says or does or is around to teach us.

That's not sound doctrine.

quote]Proverbs 19:20
Listen to advice and accept instruction, that you may gain wisdom in the future. [/quote]

See God is the ultimate source of everything - on that we agree. However, God, in his infinite wisdom did not give us a religion that we have to blindly feel our way along with. We don't have faith in a vacuum. The New Testament (and the Old Testament for that matter) is full of groups of people with teachers, preachers, evangelizers, etc. whom God uses to spread His word. Life is not all about us, it's all about Him and our commission as Christians is to take that to other people.

Christianity is an extremely social religion. God gives us this because we can be taught by others from God. Different experiences, hardships, victories, etc will shape each person differently. No person knows the entire Bible no matter how much they read and pray for understanding because God doesn't only work 1 on 1 with people. He works in all things, teaching and other Christians withstanding.
 

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Hammerstone,
You quote scripture to justify what you have been taught. The verse you quote is from the Old Testament. You need to understand that the people back then did not have the Holy Spirit to teach him or her. They also did not have God make his home in them. Our relationship with God is far and beyond anything they hoped to have.




You say I am wrong, but I quote New Testament verses that tell us I am right.



My witness is that Jesus has been teaching me for over thirty years, and he has given me his Holy Spirit to teach and guide me also. What I witness is written in the Word of God.



Jesus told me the Bible is his written Word, and he has told me he is God. Now I am following God, and my teachings have come from him.





(John 10:1-5)"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."



(1 John 2:27) “But you have not lost the anointing that he gave you, and you do not need anyone to teach you, the anointing he gave teaches you everything; you are anointed with truth, not a lie, and as it has taught you, so you must stay in him.”



(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”

 

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You know Thankful, it is this type of subjective, private interpretation, masquerading as reliance 'only on God' that produces people like Harold Camping.


By the way do you see what you and Hammerstone did? You both attacked me and totally ignored what I had posted.



You have an opinion, and don’t even try to back up your opinion with scripture.

 

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By the way do you see what you and Hammerstone did? You both attacked me and totally ignored what I had posted.



You have an opinion, and don’t even try to back up your opinion with scripture.

I didn't mean to make it personal, thankful. I am simply pointing out the danger of private revelation.
 

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The verse you quote is from the Old Testament. You need to understand that the people back then did not have the Holy Spirit to teach him or her. They also did not have God make his home in them.

Genesis 41:38 And Pharaoh said to his servants, "Can we find a man like this, in whom is the Spirit of God?"[sup]39[/sup]Then Pharaoh said to Joseph, "Since God has shown you all this, there is none so discerning and wise as you are.
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Judges 3:10 [/sup]The Spirit of the LORD was upon him, and he judged Israel. ...

2 Samuel 23:2 "The Spirit of the LORD speaks by me; his word is on my tongue.

Nehemiah 9:30 Many years you bore with them and warned them by your Spirit through your prophets. Yet they would not give ear. Therefore you gave them into the hand of the peoples of the lands.

Psalm 51:11 Cast me not away from your presence,and take not your Holy Spirit from me.

Psalm 143:10 Teach me to do your will, for you are my God! Let your good Spirit lead me on level ground!

Proverbs 1:23 If you turn at my reproof, behold, I will pour out my spirit to you;I will make my words known to you.

Ezekiel 2:2 And as he spoke to me, the Spirit entered into me and set me on my feet, and I heard him speaking to me.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

Micah 3:8 But as for me, I am filled with power, with the Spirit of the LORD,and with justice and might,to declare to Jacob his transgressionand to Israel his sin.




Mark 12:36
David himself, speaking by the Holy Spirit, declared: “‘The Lord said to my Lord: “Sit at my right hand until I put your enemies under your feet.”’

Acts 1:16 and said, “Brothers and sisters, the Scripture had to be fulfilled in which the Holy Spirit spoke long ago through David concerning Judas, who served as guide for those who arrested Jesus.

Acts 10:38 how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and power, and how he went around doing good and healing all who were under the power of the devil, because God was with him.

Acts 28:25 They disagreed among themselves and began to leave after Paul had made this final statement: “The Holy Spirit spoke the truth to your ancestors when he said through Isaiah the prophet:

2 Peter 1:21 For prophecy never had its origin in the human will, but prophets, though human, spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.
 

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I didn't mean to make it personal, thankful. I am simply pointing out the danger of private revelation.

Now you say dangers of personal revelation. What dangers, Paul gave us many teachings and it was all personal revelation. Did you ever wonder why Jesus gave us his Holy Spirit to teach us, if it was dangerous to have personal revelation?



Personal revelations are only dangerous to those who wish to teach false doctrine. Only people who wish to keep the truth hidden are afraid of what the Holy Spirit will tell a person.



How can Jesus lead us if it is not through personal revelation? Remember Jesus said he would call his own out by name, and lead them. How is Jesus going to lead you if not through personal revelation?



If God will place his laws in our minds, then why do we need to listen to men try and tell us?



(Hebrews 8:10) “No, this is the covenant I will make with the House of Israel when those days arrive-it is the Lord who speaks. I will put my laws into their minds and write them on their hearts. Then I will be their God and they shall be my people.”







 

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Now you say dangers of personal revelation. What dangers, Paul gave us many teachings and it was all personal revelation. Did you ever wonder why Jesus gave us his Holy Spirit to teach us, if it was dangerous to have personal revelation?



Personal revelations are only dangerous to those who wish to teach false doctrine. Only people who wish to keep the truth hidden are afraid of what the Holy Spirit will tell a person.



How can Jesus lead us if it is not through personal revelation? Remember Jesus said he would call his own out by name, and lead them. How is Jesus going to lead you if not through personal revelation?



If God will place his laws in our minds, then why do we need to listen to men try and tell us?



(Hebrews 8:10) “No, this is the covenant I will make with the House of Israel when those days arrive-it is the Lord who speaks. I will put my laws into their minds and write them on their hearts. Then I will be their God and they shall be my people.”

I think Harold Camping really believed his prophecy was from God. He was wrong. It happens all the time.
 

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I think Harold Camping really believed his prophecy was from God. He was wrong. It happens all the time.


If this Harold is the guy that predicted the end of the world, he should have read his bible. If he would have, then he would have known that his revelation was not from God.



I knew it was not from God because I have read the bible and I asked God. You see personal revelations can only hurt those who are not hearing from God.



There are many ways one can know for sure if it is God speaking to them or not. Remember Jesus said my people would hear my voice and follow no other. If one is of God then he or she is in no danger.



No one should have been hurt by what Harold said. Scripture alone tells us he was wrong. One did not really have to ask Jesus if he was wrong.



You see if one has a personal relationship all he or she need to do when anyone tells them anything about God, is ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.



 

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If this Harold is the guy that predicted the end of the world, he should have read his bible. If he would have, then he would have known that his revelation was not from God.



I knew it was not from God because I have read the bible and I asked God. You see personal revelations can only hurt those who are not hearing from God.



There are many ways one can know for sure if it is God speaking to them or not. Remember Jesus said my people would hear my voice and follow no other. If one is of God then he or she is in no danger.



No one should have been hurt by what Harold said. Scripture alone tells us he was wrong. One did not really have to ask Jesus if he was wrong.



You see if one has a personal relationship all he or she need to do when anyone tells them anything about God, is ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.

Well, it is good to hear that you use the Bible to discern whether or not God is actually speaking to you. I do not speak for Harold, but he claims to have determined his theory of the rapture from the Bible.

I am not sure where you got the idea that Christians forget to ask God about whatever is on their minds. What people here object to about your posts is you insistence that God needs to be asked if an idea is true no matter what the Bible says - as if God's confirmation overrides the truth of the Bible,
 

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Well, it is good to hear that you use the Bible to discern whether or not God is actually speaking to you. I do not speak for Harold, but he claims to have determined his theory of the rapture from the Bible.

I am not sure where you got the idea that Christians forget to ask God about whatever is on their minds. What people here object to about your posts is you insistence that God needs to be asked if an idea is true no matter what the Bible says - as if God's confirmation overrides the truth of the Bible,

Yes I ask God for his understanding of scripture. But much of the time Jesus teaches me and I then go to the written Word to confirm my understanding.



Jesus told me we were not to hurt/harm anyone for any reason. Now scripture says: (Matthew 5:39) “You havel earnt how it was said: ‘Eye for eye and tooth for tooth.’ But I say this toyou: offerthe wicked man no resistance.”



WhatI don’t except is any other man’s understanding of what scripture says, unless Jesus tells me it is right.
 

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Thankful, I am just posting what I am seeing. I am not claiming that my perspective is the word of God - you can disagree with it if you want to. Please stop private messaging me - I told you before that I am not meaning for you to take my post personally.
 

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Thankful, I am just posting what I am seeing. I am not claiming that my perspective is the word of God - you can disagree with it if you want to. Please stop private messaging me - I told you before that I am not meaning for you to take my post personally.




When you falsely accuse me of something that makes your post personal. I take your accusation as an insult. I also tried very hard to keep this private, but you some how do not understand.

 

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The Christian Church is a Church that is led by Jesus/Holy Spirit. All people who have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit make up the Christian Church. Jesus will put his laws into their minds, and they will not need anyone to teach them.



Christians are all those people whom God knows, and who know God. These are the people who make up the Christian Church.



One cannot come to know God unless the Holy Spirit/Jesus teaches and guides him or her.



Jesus said he would call his own out by name, and then lead and guide them.



A Christian does not deliberately commit sin.



A Christian is not of the world.



A Christian does not kill. A Christian conquers evil with love.

A Christian is one who esteems others higher than himself/herself

A Christian is taught not only directly through the Spirit but also through the other members of His Body through mutual edification unto a perfect man.

A Christian is open to correction and seeks counsel and accountabiblity from others.
 

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A Christian is one who esteems others higher than himself/herself

A Christian is taught not only directly through the Spirit but also through the other members of His Body through mutual edification unto a perfect man.

A Christian is open to correction and seeks counsel and accountabiblity from others.

I wonder, are you adding to what I said? There are other things that make for one to be Christian. Are you willing to show us scripture that says what you believe is a Christian is true?



If you ask I will show you scripture that confirms what I posted is true.

 

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I wonder, are you adding to what I said? There are other things that make for one to be Christian. Are you willing to show us scripture that says what you believe is a Christian is true?



If you ask I will show you scripture that confirms what I posted is true.

I'm not taking anything away from what you wrote...merely continuing the list. :)