99.9999% of all professing Christian's aren't saved

Helen · Dec 8, 2021

friend of said:
Can I get an Amen?!

(Is anyone else tired of reading posts like this?)

(Satire)

well obviously I am one who read your subject line and took it seriously ….but , I have left my last post up, and not deleted it…for those who DO really believe that they know who is in and who is out.

Personally for me, God Wins…He never intended to pay such a high price of redemption just to save a handful.

amigo de christo · Dec 8, 2021

amadeus said:
Yes, the fruits do tell the story about anyone. The problem, of course, is a lot of people are poor when it comes to separating the good fruit from the evil fruit. We require God's help even in the sorting. I guess that falls under having the discernment which comes from God.

"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!" Isaiah 5:20

Well , THEN we need to put it like paul did . IF we want to help folks , we need to say the truth about this , just like paul did .
YE ARE THE SERVANTS OF WHOM YE OBEY , WHETHER OF SIN unto death or of obediance unto righteousness .
The problem with most folks is , they are not being serious enough about this deadly error .

amadeus · Dec 8, 2021

friend of said:
Yes I did say satire. I am not being serious with this thread. I'm amazed so many people haven't picked up on that.

You know it is just possible that some people have not a clue as to what satire is! Then what would your O/P be saying?

amigo de christo · Dec 8, 2021

Grailhunter said:
@amigo de christo @amadeus
Good morning! Happy Holidays. God bless.
Regarding the question---> 99.9999 percent of Christians are not saved?????
No way to estimate....but how do you feel on the matter?

amadeus---> The problem, of course, is a lot of people are poor when it comes to separating the good fruit from the evil fruit.

amigo--->All I know is most all who profess to know Christ , not ALL , but most all, are not even following the biblical Christ and many are even embracing sin .

Now I am not disagreeing but, for those that read this forum.....internationally. Do you care to elaborate?

We know there are a lot and many sinful and evil people in the world....

But if we are going to use words like "a lot or most" in regard to Christians what are you talking about? How many Christians do you know? If I am playing the odds I am going to say you guys do not go to church much. And a church does not necessarily mean a building with a sign out front. Gathering with Christians to discuss the scriptures and sing praises to the Lord.....and eat fried chicken, and fix'ins.

So what I am going to ask....of the Christians you know....not what you see on TV or the media....the ones you know....what would you think are the sins that an "average Christian" would commit?

Cheat on their taxes?
Drive over the speed limit?
Lust over another man's wife?
Look at naked women on their smart phone or computer?
Are they fishermen....master_baiters? LOL
Lie about the 100 pound catfish they caught?
Carousing at night?
Cuss on a occasion?
Sell a car to someone and not tell them what is wrong with it?
Gossip?
Lie about their age?

I know "a lot and many Christians"....I go to several churches....hang with Christians and I do not see them as dirty filthy rags and full of sin. So am I missing something? Am I going to the right churches and hanging with the right people?

We are all going to sin and as Christians in good standing with Christ, we are privileged to ask forgiveness for our sins and the faith to know that Christ will forgive us and forget our offenses. So when the average Christian shows up on Judgment Day, I am thinking there is not going to be a lot or many sins to account for.

The Bible says every bad deed will be accounted for.....every idol word. But does that mean we cannot get our sins truly forgiven? And forgotten? Is Christ going to hold forgiven sins against us? I know Christians that believe that after baptism, you cannot get forgiveness for your sins. Not my belief.

So it is a good discussion....what do you guys think about it? So what do you think are the sins of the average Christian?

I will elaborate . but is gonna sound just like paul did .
Shall we sin .............GOD FORBID
dont you know that to whom you yield your members servants to OBEY , HIS SERVANTS YOU ARE .
whether of sin unto death or of obediance unto righteousness .
HOW COME every pastor i know DONT SOUND A THING like that anymore . At best they just make lame excuses for sin
Paul said dont let it even be named once , but today they feed the church things like , WELL ya cant stop , God understands
Try better . Sin is deadly and folks better understand that .
The thing about any sin is , THAT IT SURE CAN HARDEN THE HEART .
SIN is what will and can TURN the heart FROM GOD . But folks wont talk like this today . I say OPEN BIBLES
and flee the pulpits . cause they aint gonna be direct about squat anymore .
Not a one of them is grave . They blending stuff and toning down warnings . I WONT be FOLLOWING THOSE . NOR should you
nor should any .

amigo de christo · Dec 8, 2021

amadeus said:
You know it is just possible that some people have not a clue as to what satire is! Then what would your O/P be saying?

I got tickled at this . cause i myself have no idea what that word means . Try not to laugh my friend . But i have no idea what it means .
What does it mean .

Marvelloustime · Dec 8, 2021

amigo de christo said:
I got tickled at this . cause i myself have no idea what that word means . Try not to laugh my friend . But i have no idea what it means .
What does it mean .

Satire:
the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
"the crude satire seems to be directed at the fashionable protest singers of the time"

amigo de christo · Dec 8, 2021

Marvelloustime said:
Satire:
the use of humour, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues.
"the crude satire seems to be directed at the fashionable protest singers of the time"

The true lambs have always been criticised for exposing false beliefs , In this day and age it will only get worse .
Let that wicked man of belial Francis and his protestant daughters call me as they wish . ONLY i wont stop warning and exopsing the lies .

Grailhunter · Dec 8, 2021

amigo de christo said:
I will elaborate . but is gonna sound just like paul did .
Shall we sin .............GOD FORBID
dont you know that to whom you yield your members servants to OBEY , HIS SERVANTS YOU ARE .
whether of sin unto death or of obediance unto righteousness .
HOW COME every pastor i know DONT SOUND A THING like that anymore . At best they just make lame excuses for sin
Paul said dont let it even be named once , but today they feed the church things like , WELL ya cant stop , God understands
Try better . Sin is deadly and folks better understand that .
The thing about any sin is , THAT IT SURE CAN HARDEN THE HEART .
SIN is what will and can TURN the heart FROM GOD . But folks wont talk like this today . I say OPEN BIBLES
and flee the pulpits . cause they aint gonna be direct about squat anymore .
Not a one of them is grave . They blending stuff and toning down warnings . I WONT be FOLLOWING THOSE . NOR should you
nor should any .

I have noticed your posts and it appears you have had some bad experiences with churches and preachers and I do not know where you live or where you have been....but they do not sound like any of the churches or preacher I know.

Christianity has had quite the history. Do you think Christianity is best practiced alone? Early Christians did not have church buildings. They risked their lives to sneak around in the dark to meet in woods, cemeteries, catacombs then house churches.

Then there were the hermits that thought Christianity was best practiced alone, so they lived out in the desert, in caves, and trees.

I see Christianity as a community and I have more fun at churches that I aught to. The kids in Sunday school and Bible camp have played tackle the giant more than once.

I think that fellowship is a very important application of Christianity. Us old folks can set the example for young'ins. We can learn from each other.

But the question I posed was....what kind of sins do you see your average Christian committing?

Desire Of All Nations · Dec 8, 2021

Helen said:
last time I looked God was the only God, and ONLY He knows.
Beware …you may well find that many that you ‘throw out’ go in before you …if indeed you make it in, …being such a judger of God children.

ONLY He knows , and we will know who is who …AT THE END.

The Bible was explicitly written and recorded so true followers of God can and should know who is who. The "only God should make those judgements" arguments are nothing more than smokescreens deceivers put up so no one would expose them or look at them.

Look at Christ's compliments to the Ephesians in Rev. 2. He commended those people for exposing false Christians for who they were and not tolerating their false doctrines. The Bible is consistent in the OT and NT that the responsibility is completely on God's followers to know who is or isn't following Him so they can avoid being deceived into practicing a false religion.

Jesus warned that many deceivers would claim to be a follower in the last days, so what does that tell you? That true Christians should just take somebody's word for it when they claim to follow Christ? Of course not, especially when their beliefs and customs are completely different from what He taught and practiced! If true Christians are incapable of making those judgements now, they won't be in the Kingdom. Why should God put them in a position to judge angels when they can't even tell the difference between a true and false Christian now?

Grailhunter said:
I see Christianity as a community and I have more fun at churches that I aught to. The kids in Sunday school and Bible camp have played tackle the giant more than once.

I think that fellowship is a very important application of Christianity. Us old folks can set the example for young'ins. We can learn from each other.

This is a perfect example of why Orthodox Christianity is a total joke. Christianity is not a social club, nor is it for people who want to treat God's religion as a joke. The tragedy of it all is that even Satan understands how serious a matter this is because he knows humans were created to replace him as ruler of this world.

If Satan is treating this seriously enough to do whatever he can to keep human beings from reaching their potential as future God Beings and rulers of the universe, true Christians should be treating it even more seriously than he is since God didn't create angels to have such a potential. This is literally a matter of living forever and being dead forever.

amadeus · Dec 8, 2021

Grailhunter said:
@amadeus
Good morning! Happy Holidays. God bless.
Regarding the question---> 99.9999 percent of Christians are not saved?????
No way to estimate....but how do you feel on the matter?

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matt 7:13-14

How many are few? Could it be only 8 [like Noah's family]a long with a bunch of clean and unclean animals? Or could it be just 2 out of 600,000 who came out of Egypt?

But those are the ones who found the strait and narrow gate. Your question relates to the OP, which seemingly relates to the ones, who among Christians, do not... Hmmm?

amadeus---> The problem, of course, is a lot of people are poor when it comes to separating the good fruit from the evil fruit...

My wife does a very good job of picking out the good fruit at the market... me, not so good!

How good is anyone at sorting through the general labeled Christian population as fruit inspectors? Not good at all... if they are people, we have never meet nor interacted with at all!

...Now I am not disagreeing but, for those that read this forum.....internationally. Do you care to elaborate?

We know there are a lot and many sinful and evil people in the world....

There are a whole lot of people walking around that Jesus would name as dead people. Those would not really be followers of Christ, would they?

Many people, I believe, fail to recognize zombies when they see them. God recognizes who is and who is not a zombie!

But if we are going to use words like "a lot or most" in regard to Christians what are you talking about? How many Christians do you know? If I am playing the odds I am going to say you guys do not go to church much. And a church does not necessarily mean a building with a sign out front. Gathering with Christians to discuss the scriptures and sing praises to the Lord.....and eat fried chicken, and fix'ins.

Most all of my life I was attending places called church. I stopped doing that, three times, since leaving active Catholicism [1) 11 years, 2) 10 years] and 3) beginning in October of 2018.

Aside from those stoppages how often was I gathering with others in "Jesus Name"? How often are the socializers actually in His Name? Are some of them really zombies? If they never are "in Jesus Name", one might seriously consider whether or not they are really "Christians". I guess that would depend on your definition of that word, Christian.

So what I am going to ask....of the Christians you know....not what you see on TV or the media....the ones you know....what would you think are the sins that an "average Christian" would commit?

Cheat on their taxes?
Drive over the speed limit?
Lust over another man's wife?
Look at naked women on their smart phone or computer?
Are they fishermen....master_baiters? LOL
Lie about the 100 pound catfish they caught?
Carousing at night?
Cuss on a occasion?
Sell a car to someone and not tell them what is wrong with it?
Gossip?
Lie about their age?

Tares among the wheat... but who is a harvester given the eyes to know them when he sees them? Does anyone ever effectively treat a grain of wheat like a tare? God makes no mistakes, but do not children of God still make some mistakes?

I know "a lot and many Christians"....I go to several churches....hang with Christians and I do not see them as dirty filthy rags and full of sin. So am I missing something? Am I going to the right churches and hanging with the right people?

How many of the other 11 disciples of Jesus recognized Judas as that one before he met them in the garden to give Jesus a kiss of betrayal? Who needed to recognize him then?

We are all going to sin and as Christians in good standing with Christ, we are privileged to ask forgiveness for our sins and the faith to know that Christ will forgive us and forget our offenses. So when the average Christian shows up on Judgment Day, I am thinking there is not going to be a lot or many sins to account for.

Fortunately for all of us, neither you nor I get to make that final judgement on all of them. Are we qualified? I am not!

The Bible says every bad deed will be accounted for.....every idol word. But does that mean we cannot get our sins truly forgiven? And forgotten? Is Christ going to hold forgiven sins against us? I know Christians that believe that after baptism, you cannot get forgiveness for your sins. Not my belief.

Again... the judgement only belongs to God because He alone knows all of the facts about everybody and is able to judge everybody fairly.

Jesus, I believe, described how it is to be done here:

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

What will we have done at the end of our cource with all that has been given to us? Time, intelligence, charity, faith, material goods or abject poverty, secular or religious education, skills, opportunities, etc.?

Eternally Grateful · Dec 8, 2021

sat·ire
/ˈsaˌtī(ə)r/
noun

1. the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues:

Grailhunter · Dec 8, 2021

amadeus said:
"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." Matt 7:13-14

How many are few? Could it be only 8 [like Noah's family]a long with a bunch of clean and unclean animals? Or could it be just 2 out of 600,000 who came out of Egypt?

But those are the ones who found the strait and narrow gate. Your question relates to the OP, which seemingly relates to the ones, who among Christians, do not... Hmmm?

My wife does a very good job of picking out the good fruit at the market... me, not so good!

How good is anyone at sorting through the general labeled Christian population as fruit inspectors? Not good at all... if they are people, we have never meet nor interacted with at all!

There are a whole lot of people walking around that Jesus would name as dead people. Those would not really be followers of Christ, would they?

Many people, I believe, fail to recognize zombies when they see them. God recognizes who is and who is not a zombie!

Most all of my life I was attending places called church. I stopped doing that, three times, since leaving active Catholicism [1) 11 years, 2) 10 years] and 3) beginning in October of 2018.

Aside from those stoppages how often was I gathering with others in "Jesus Name"? How often are the socializers actually in His Name? Are some of them really zombies? If they never are "in Jesus Name", one might seriously consider whether or not they are really "Christians". I guess that would depend on your definition of that word, Christian.

Tares among the wheat... but who is a harvester given the eyes to know them when he sees them? Does anyone ever effectively treat a grain of wheat like a tare? God makes no mistakes, but do not children of God still make some mistakes?

How many of the other 11 disciples of Jesus recognized Judas as that one before he met them in the garden to give Jesus a kiss of betrayal? Who needed to recognize him then?

Fortunately for all of us, neither you nor I get to make that final judgement on all of them. Are we qualified? I am not!

Again... the judgement only belongs to God because He alone knows all of the facts about everybody and is able to judge everybody fairly.

Jesus, I believe, described how it is to be done here:

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

What will we have done at the end of our cource with all that has been given to us? Time, intelligence, charity, faith, material goods or abject poverty, secular or religious education, skills, opportunities, etc.?

Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. Luke 7:47

So the question is....what kind of sins do you think the average Christian commits?

amadeus · Dec 8, 2021

amigo de christo said:
Well , THEN we need to put it like paul did . IF we want to help folks , we need to say the truth about this , just like paul did .
YE ARE THE SERVANTS OF WHOM YE OBEY , WHETHER OF SIN unto death or of obediance unto righteousness .
The problem with most folks is , they are not being serious enough about this deadly error .

If you know the answer and a person is listening or is interested in listening, go for it. Many either have no ears, or they have tuned us out.

amadeus · Dec 8, 2021

amigo de christo said:
I got tickled at this . cause i myself have no idea what that word means . Try not to laugh my friend . But i have no idea what it means .
What does it mean .

I had only a background notion in my mind as to its meaning, so I would have looked up definition before posting it if @Marvelloustime had not already given it to us. Communication again!

amadeus · Dec 8, 2021

Grailhunter said:
Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. Luke 7:47

So the question is....what kind of sins do you think the average Christian commits?

Too hard a question to answer easily if at all.
What is average?

There is a mathematical definition, but lots of people use the word with other meanings.

What is a Christian?

I won't try to define that here. There is more than one that people use for certain.

What is a sin? What different kinds of sins exist?

Even with a very definite easily understood answer to each of my questions, I might not really be able to answer your question!

GaryAnderson · Dec 8, 2021

friend of said:
Can I get an Amen?!

(Is anyone else tired of reading posts like this?)

(Satire)

Can you say me it?

Grailhunter · Dec 8, 2021

amadeus said:
Too hard a question to answer easily if at all.
What is average?

Not looking for a decimal point. The Christians you know....are they LBGTQ...are they assassins....orgy'ists.... whoremongers.....wife swappers....cannibals....child molesters....

Moms and dads....grandmas and grandpas that you know.

I don't know any Christians that do that sort of thing and I have traveled the world. So I have to assume that there are not going to be too many major sins to account for. That is why I say that most Christians are going to heaven. You can get yourself in trouble if you work at it....but salvation is stable.

amadeus · Dec 8, 2021

Grailhunter said:
Not looking for a decimal point. The Christians you know....are they LBGTQ...are they assassins....orgy'ists.... whoremongers.....wife swappers....cannibals....child molesters....

Moms and dads....grandmas and grandpas that you know.

I don't know any Christians that do that sort of thing and I have traveled the world. So I have to assume that there are not going to be too many major sins to account for. That is why I say that most Christians are going to heaven. You can get yourself in trouble if you work at it....but salvation is stable.

I have heard or read that some those you mention exist in places, but I either have not been to those places or have not recognized those people when I was there.

When you say that most Christians are going to heaven, I guess I relate that to this:

"And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:" Rom 11:26

But then look at this:

"Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:" Rom 9:6

So then, who is a Christian [a follower of Christ ] or an Israelite [One of those who shall be a prince of God]?

Who is a gentile or a heathen [people not worshipping the true God]? Does a person remain a gentile or a heathen when he becomes a true Israelite or a true follower of Christ and so forth...? Circumcision of the flesh certainly matters not at all, right?

theefaith · Dec 8, 2021

Not satire! How can anyone in this life be saved? Or claim to be saved?

Grailhunter · Dec 8, 2021

theefaith said:
Not satire! How can anyone in this life be saved? Or claim to be saved?

Christ not powerful enough?

99.9999% of all professing Christian's aren't saved

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