Did Jesus really mean that Muslims or Hindus would go to hell?

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Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by Me." Most people consider this literally: people from other faiths are wrong (and they will go to hell). Now, would it be in contradiction with Jesus' teachings to consider that Jesus is God descended in the flesh and that God is Love hence Jesus is Love made human? Jesus words could then be understood as: “Love is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to God but by loving”.

This doesn't seem that irrelevant to me since Jesus' main commandments are to love God and to love our neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40 and Mark 12:30-31). So how one calls God and the way one chooses to love Them is maybe not that important.

I like that point of view because I just don't feel that a very loving Muslim or Hindu behaving like a saint will go to hell just because they don't believe in Jesus in his human form or because they don't conceive God the way we do.

As a matter of fact, this is how I understand John 10:16. Love would be the shepherd and people loving God in different ways would be the sheep from another sheep pen.

Where do you stand? Do you believe a very loving Muslim or Hindu behaving like a saint should go to hell?
 
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Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by Me." Most people consider this literally: people from other faiths are wrong (and they will go to hell). Now, would it be in contradiction with Jesus' teachings to consider that Jesus is God descended in the flesh and that God is Love hence Jesus is Love made human? Jesus words could then be understood as: “Love is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to God but by loving”.

This doesn't seem that irrelevant to me since Jesus' main commandments are to love God and to love our neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40 and Mark 12:30-31). So how one calls God and the way one chooses to love Them is maybe not that important.

I like that point of view because I just don't feel that a very loving Muslim or Hindu behaving like a saint will go to hell just because they don't believe in Jesus in his human form or because they don't conceive God the way we do.

As a matter of fact, this is how I understand John 10:16. Love would be the shepherd and people loving God in different ways would be the sheep from another sheep pen.

Where do you stand? Do you believe a very loving Muslim or Hindu behaving like a saint should go to hell?

What about humans born before Judaism was invented?

If you do the math, it's like 99.9999% of all humans ever lived go to hell...
 

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Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by Me." Most people consider this literally: people from other faiths are wrong (and they will go to hell). Now, would it be in contradiction with Jesus' teachings to consider that Jesus is God descended in the flesh and that God is Love hence Jesus is Love made human? Jesus words could then be understood as: “Love is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to God but by loving”.

This doesn't seem that irrelevant to me since Jesus' main commandments are to love God and to love our neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40 and Mark 12:30-31). So how one calls God and the way one chooses to love Them is maybe not that important.

I like that point of view because I just don't feel that a very loving Muslim or Hindu behaving like a saint will go to hell just because they don't believe in Jesus in his human form or because they don't conceive God the way we do.

As a matter of fact, this is how I understand John 10:16. Love would be the shepherd and people loving God in different ways would be the sheep from another sheep pen.

Where do you stand? Do you believe a very loving Muslim or Hindu behaving like a saint should go to hell?
How can they go to heaven if they reject the provision of Gods salvation?

Its not about how much we love, We can;t love enough no matter what religion or nationality or faith we follow.

Its about the sin problem and the sin debt.
 

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Where do you stand? Do you believe a very loving Muslim or Hindu behaving like a saint should go to hell?

OF COURSE THEY SHOULD!!

They're nothing but SIN-laden humans, who've fallen short of the glory of God, and HAVEN'T been cleansed of their SIN by FAITH in the Sin Offering of Jesus on the Cross (Isa 53).

The same goes for YOU, me, and everybody else.
 

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Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by Me." Most people consider this literally: people from other faiths are wrong (and they will go to hell). Now, would it be in contradiction with Jesus' teachings to consider that Jesus is God descended in the flesh and that God is Love hence Jesus is Love made human? Jesus words could then be understood as: “Love is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to God but by loving”.

This doesn't seem that irrelevant to me since Jesus' main commandments are to love God and to love our neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40 and Mark 12:30-31). So how one calls God and the way one chooses to love Them is maybe not that important.

I like that point of view because I just don't feel that a very loving Muslim or Hindu behaving like a saint will go to hell just because they don't believe in Jesus in his human form or because they don't conceive God the way we do.

As a matter of fact, this is how I understand John 10:16. Love would be the shepherd and people loving God in different ways would be the sheep from another sheep pen.

Where do you stand? Do you believe a very loving Muslim or Hindu behaving like a saint should go to hell?

You need to ask yourself what a Christian actually is, then based on those findings ask yourself if christianity encumpasses everyone who behaves like a saint. Do these supposed saints actually know who Jesus is? that he died on the cross for the forgiveness of sin? who rose again and sits on the righthand of God...who intercedes on their behalf to the Father? The bible tells us: John 14:6
 

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Where do you stand? Do you believe a very loving Muslim or Hindu behaving like a saint should go to hell?
It is God who decides who goes to Hell and who does not. So here's the bottom line according to God: But the [1] fearful, and [2] unbelieving, and the [3] abominable, and [4] murderers, and [5] whoremongers, and [6] sorcerers, and [7] idolaters, and all [8] liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Rev 21:8)

According to this Scripture, there are eight categories of people who are destined for the Lake of Fire. Among them are the unbelieving and the idolaters.

Are Hindus and Muslims unbelieving? YES
Are Hindus and Muslims* idolaters? YES


*Note: Worshiping the Ka'aba and Mohammad are actually idolatry. And we know that Hindus are idolaters.

They all need to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ in order to be saved.
 

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Has God Called everyone, who has ever lived and given them an opportunity?
Here's your answer from Scripture: For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. (Rom 1:18-21)
 
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If one is not truly born again, you are of this world. Jesus Christ is not of this world.

They who are truly born again are Saved and are in the Kingdom of God.

If you are not in the Kingdom of God one is not saved.

This world is full of deceptions and delusions, so one must come out from them !

All religions are of Mans works regardless of what they call themselves, Only Jesus Saves !

I am talking about our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, not Religion, as every person born is Religious regardless of what they may claim. even an Atheist is religious in fact and so is a Communist, in fact a Communist is the most strict Religion and all must play to the same tune and idolise the Leader as a god in fact or you are killed.

Socialism is a Religion as well as you all have to follow this rubbish as well or else they will use spite.

Jews are Slaves as well, it was only when Jesus Christ went to Heaven that the worthy Israelites were freed.

Islam is just a con job related to the so called Jews and the idolised Talmud whore, it's a splinter group from the Talmud's creation.

The Buda is a mans works trip, one can learn from all such, as all religion has some truths, But it one wants the real foundations of Truth's one has to come to the well spring that is Christ Jesus.
 

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@Vid, I’ve already been called a heretic for suggesting that Matthew 25:31-40 MAY indicate that The King (that’s Jesus) might allow into His kingdom those from the Nations (Gentiles or those who are not of God’s people to His Jewish audience) who gave food and shelter and clothing and comfort to His brothers and sisters (that’s us Christians!) in this life. Note that I said MAY indicate. In any case, it’s Jesus’s call who He allows into His Kingdom. Not mine, not yours, not theirs. Christ’s alone.
 

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Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by Me." Most people consider this literally: people from other faiths are wrong (and they will go to hell). Now, would it be in contradiction with Jesus' teachings to consider that Jesus is God descended in the flesh and that God is Love hence Jesus is Love made human? Jesus words could then be understood as: “Love is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to God but by loving”.

This doesn't seem that irrelevant to me since Jesus' main commandments are to love God and to love our neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40 and Mark 12:30-31). So how one calls God and the way one chooses to love Them is maybe not that important.

I like that point of view because I just don't feel that a very loving Muslim or Hindu behaving like a saint will go to hell just because they don't believe in Jesus in his human form or because they don't conceive God the way we do.

As a matter of fact, this is how I understand John 10:16. Love would be the shepherd and people loving God in different ways would be the sheep from another sheep pen.

Where do you stand? Do you believe a very loving Muslim or Hindu behaving like a saint should go to hell?
Where do I stand? I come from a background as a cultural warrior contesting man's ideas to get God out of the picture. One of the common accusations leveled at Christians is you don't show the love of God in your condemnation. They say that because they do not know what love is. So here are the facts. Love is not love unless is is accompanied by the truth.

To say to a sinner ÖK that is all right because God will accept you even though you sin is not love because it is a lie. If I were to say "God will not accept you because of your constant sin and rejection of him, that is love because I am telling him the truth. Once he knows the truth he can do something about it. If he doesn't know what the truth is it is very unlikely anything will change.

God is a God of love because he tells or shows the person the truth. As in one case of a young man who lived for a life of sin. God appeared to him supernaturally and showed him how unclean he was. That was the truth. When he saw himself as God saw him, he was immediately born again and he was cleansed of all his sin.

And the key to all this is can you say that Jesus Christ is Lord. No matter how righteous a person lives, a Muslim could not say that.
 
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So much hate in the name of Love...

And the key to all this is can you say that Jesus Christ is Lord
You need to ask yourself what a Christian actually is, then based on those findings ask yourself if christianity encumpasses everyone who behaves like a saint. Do these supposed saints actually know who Jesus is?
This pretty much sums up the way all of you think. Didn't anyone read my post about Love being the Way, the Truth and the Life, not Jesus in his human expression?

Did anyone try to understand John 10:16?

Isn't there anyone to acknowledge that the way we love is more important than the way we think? Well if people like you go to Heaven, I hope I'll make it to a different mansion (John 14:2) where I get to spend Eternity with loving people, whatever their religion is.
 

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So much hate in the name of Love...



This pretty much sums up the way all of you think. Didn't anyone read my post about Love being the Way, the Truth and the Life, not Jesus in his human expression?

Did anyone try to understand John 10:16?

Isn't there anyone to acknowledge that the way we love is more important than the way we think? Well if people like you go to Heaven, I hope I'll make it to a different mansion (John 14:2) where I get to spend Eternity with loving people, whatever their religion is.
Okay, @Vid, I think I understand where your heart is. I'll soften my answer some, but there are certain things I can't compromise on. I believe Jesus will be the final judge of who He lets into His kingdom, and I can't change that without ceasing to be Christian. My primary objective is that the sheep not of our fold recognize the Shepherd and follow His voice, to use your John 10:16 reference.

That said, I was serious about my interpretation of Matthew 25:31-40. I'm already on record as saying that, if the King will so permit, I will speak up on behalf of a Muslim family in California who took me into their home, and for the Muslim family down the street who brought us food when my wife was recovering from her mastectomy. What of those who have no one to speak up for them? Some theologians expand the parable to conclude that Jesus identifies with ALL the poor and hungry and sick and imprisoned of this world. Could be. From what I know of Jesus, He is gracious, and He does stuff us religious folks don't expect Him to. So, I trust Him, and I want you to trust Him too.

So, try to convince those not of our sheepfold to follow our Shepherd. At the same time, trust the King to be gracious. I can't make any guarantees; I can only trust Jesus.

Signed,
Lambano the Heretic
 
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Isn't there anyone to acknowledge that the way we love is more important than the way we think?
God is Love, and it is God who has spoken through His Word. He commands all men everywhere to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. And it is Jesus (who is also Love) who said that the one who does not believe shall be damned (Mark 16:16).
 

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What about humans born before Judaism was invented?

If you do the math, it's like 99.9999% of all humans ever lived go to hell...

you answer you seek for is shown at the Great White Throne Judgment. Learn who the three groups are then you’ll have your answers
 

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Two things need to be made very plain because Orthodox Christianity has deceived people for centuries using that statement:

1. Jesus couldn't be more clear when He said the only way to the Father was through Him. He was not speaking in code. People subscribing to man-made religions are currently cut off from God. The Bible makes that very clear, and there is absolutely no way around that. That being said, Jesus also stated in Jhn 6 that is the Father's prerogative to choose who gets to come to Him.

2. Just because Christ said that He was the only way to the Father, it doesn't mean everybody who isn't a Christian right now is already condemned or will be condemned. The Bible shows God has called a few select people out of this world over the past 6 millennia to prepare for leadership roles in the future age. Everybody else has to wait for their chance to receive salvation at a later time.

Contrary to what Orthodox Christianity falsely teaches, God hasn't spent all of human history being locked in a cosmic struggle with Satan. Such a belief implies Satan is stronger than the God who created him, which is completely absurd.
 

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One who is a slave to Sin is condemned.
One who does not abide in Christ Jesus is a slave to Sin.
Remember that Jesus Said, That he is not of this world ? This world ? means the deceptions and delusions of such ?
There is only one way ! and that is only through Jesus Christ. No one comes to the Father but through the Son. No one !

Now as to them who deserve Hell and what of they who don't ? well Purgatory. Now no one went to Heaven until Jesus went first and their was set a place for such and some of them who were in Purgatory went up to heaven.
 

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Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by Me." Most people consider this literally: people from other faiths are wrong (and they will go to hell). Now, would it be in contradiction with Jesus' teachings to consider that Jesus is God descended in the flesh and that God is Love hence Jesus is Love made human? Jesus words could then be understood as: “Love is the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No one comes to God but by loving”.

This doesn't seem that irrelevant to me since Jesus' main commandments are to love God and to love our neighbor (Matthew 22:36-40 and Mark 12:30-31). So how one calls God and the way one chooses to love Them is maybe not that important.

I like that point of view because I just don't feel that a very loving Muslim or Hindu behaving like a saint will go to hell just because they don't believe in Jesus in his human form or because they don't conceive God the way we do.

As a matter of fact, this is how I understand John 10:16. Love would be the shepherd and people loving God in different ways would be the sheep from another sheep pen.

Where do you stand? Do you believe a very loving Muslim or Hindu behaving like a saint should go to hell?
I believe the people in hell are the ones who don't obey the Lord's commandments.
 

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I like that point of view because I just don't feel that a very loving Muslim or Hindu behaving like a saint will go to hell just because they don't believe in Jesus in his human form or because they don't conceive God the way we do.
Only if they have no knowledge of Jesus and the Bible whatsoever. Romans 2:14-16
Which is highly unlikely at this time in history. But I have heard of Muslim countries that are so closed off to the gospel that there are people in those countries who have never heard about Jesus.
 

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What about humans born before Judaism was invented?

If you do the math, it's like 99.9999% of all humans ever lived go to hell...

Ah…there’s a verse that’s maybe relevant there. It’s Romans 5:13 - Yes, people sinned even before the law was given. But it was not counted as sin because there was not yet any law to break.

Sin entered before the law because Adam and Eve disobeyed an explicit command through lack of trust in what God said, but…it wasn’t counted against people before the law was given.

Not that I like to talk about the law apart from Jesus and the Holy Spirit making us law abiding truly and inwardly.
 
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Ah…there’s a verse that’s maybe relevant there. It’s Romans 5:13 - Yes, people sinned even before the law was given. But it was not counted as sin because there was not yet any law to break.

Sin entered before the law because Adam and Eve disobeyed an explicit command through lack of trust in what God said, but…it wasn’t counted against people before the law was given.

Not that I like to talk about the law apart from Jesus and the Holy Spirit making us law abiding truly and inwardly.
''/but the law was there before it was given. If you don't think Adam and Eve were under the law(they had to be under some law to sin), Cain was. It was a sin to kill. That was in force before Moses. Even the dietary laws were in force.. Noah know the difference between clean and unclean.

The Israelites had to know what was considered unlawful because they had been away from God for so long. At the beginning, the Lord probably just told man the law.
 
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