Fulfillment of the law, and coming of Christ.

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“Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John, and led them up on a high mountain apart by themselves; and He was transfigured before them. His clothes became shining, exceedingly white, like snow, such as no launderer on earth can whiten them. And Elijah appeared to them with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus. Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, “Rabbi, it is good for us to be here; and let us make three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah”—”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭9:2-5‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

One this mountain. Jesus was seen in his full glory by John, Peter, and James. Seeing a vision of his glory and also Moses and Elijah beside him. This is a picture and type of Jesus going to fulfill the Law of Moses completely, and also the fulfillment of the Son of Man, being the last and greatest prophet of all.

Did you know that? It was a picture and type of how they were then to now look fully towards Jesus as being the righteous one who makes a person right with God.

This is not a fleshly righteousness but the righteousness of Jesus making you right with God to be able to go God freely now who desires for you to be faithful to the Lord Jesus Christ in everything he had done completely. Dying, on the cross fulfilling the law of Moses completely, and the prophecy of those in the Old Testament, being buried and resurrected by God.

Also He was going to come and get his church before the wrath of God was poured out on to the nation of Israel. To be saved from this people needed to believe and follow the instructions of the Apostles.
 

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“Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John, and led them up on a high mountain apart by themselves; and He was transfigured before them. His clothes became shining, exceedingly white, like snow, such as no launderer on earth can whiten them. And Elijah appeared to them with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus. Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, “Rabbi, it is good for us to be here; and let us make three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah”—”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭9:2-5‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

One this mountain. Jesus was seen in his full glory by John, Peter, and James. Seeing a vision of his glory and also Moses and Elijah beside him. This is a picture and type of Jesus going to fulfill the Law of Moses completely, and also the fulfillment of the Son of Man, being the last and greatest prophet of all.

Did you know that? It was a picture and type of how they were then to now look fully towards Jesus as being the righteous one who makes a person right with God.

This is not a fleshly righteousness but the righteousness of Jesus making you right with God to be able to go God freely now who desires for you to be faithful to the Lord Jesus Christ in everything he had done completely. Dying, on the cross fulfilling the law of Moses completely, and the prophecy of those in the Old Testament, being buried and resurrected by God.

Also He was going to come and get his church before the wrath of God was poured out on to the nation of Israel. To be saved from this people needed to believe and follow the instructions of the Apostles.
@MatthewG Reminds me of 2 Peter 1.16: "For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty."
 
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“Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John, and led them up on a high mountain apart by themselves; and He was transfigured before them. His clothes became shining, exceedingly white, like snow, such as no launderer on earth can whiten them. And Elijah appeared to them with Moses, and they were talking with Jesus. Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, “Rabbi, it is good for us to be here; and let us make three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah”—”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭9:2-5‬ ‭NKJV‬‬

One this mountain. Jesus was seen in his full glory by John, Peter, and James. Seeing a vision of his glory and also Moses and Elijah beside him. This is a picture and type of Jesus going to fulfill the Law of Moses completely, and also the fulfillment of the Son of Man, being the last and greatest prophet of all.

Did you know that? It was a picture and type of how they were then to now look fully towards Jesus as being the righteous one who makes a person right with God.

This is not a fleshly righteousness but the righteousness of Jesus making you right with God to be able to go God freely now who desires for you to be faithful to the Lord Jesus Christ in everything he had done completely. Dying, on the cross fulfilling the law of Moses completely, and the prophecy of those in the Old Testament, being buried and resurrected by God.

Also He was going to come and get his church before the wrath of God was poured out on to the nation of Israel. To be saved from this people needed to believe and follow the instructions of the Apostles.

Jesus death actually fulfilled the law covenant, on Pentecost of 33 the new covenant went into effect, but the law covenant also was kept in force until 36 CE: (Daniel 9:27) . . .“And he will keep the covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.. . .
 

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If Lord Jesus fulfilled all... of God's law upon His cross, then why... did Apostle Paul teach the following...

1 Tim 1:6-11
6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;


9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

KJV


The part of God's law that Lord Jesus nailed to His cross involves the blood ordinances that were in the law, which includes animal sacrifices, blood rituals, ceremonial washings, etc. He did not nail the Ten Commandments to His cross, nor many of God's laws that are still enforced in Christian society today.

The above sins Paul points to, are still against God's laws today.

Wake up! brethren, it's the devil that wants to change the times and the laws among God's people, even as that was written of for the end in the Book of Daniel...

Dan 7:24-25
24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.

KJV
 
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He did not nail the Ten Commandments to His cross
Justification involves having the debt of law you owe, because you did not keep that law, being nailed to the cross and marked 'paid in full'.
That means some laws you continue to literally keep, because that debt of law never ends (i.e. 'love your neighbor as yourself'), and some laws you don't have to literally keep anymore because that debt of law got paid one time for all time and continues to be paid (i.e. sacrifice for sin).
 

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Jesus death actually fulfilled the law covenant, on Pentecost of 33 the new covenant went into effect, but the law covenant also was kept in force until 36 CE: (Daniel 9:27) . . .“And he will keep the covenant in force for the many for one week; and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.. . .
That's interesting, but could you break down the math on that one?
 

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Justification involves having the debt of law you owe, because you did not keep that law, being nailed to the cross and marked 'paid in full'.
That means some laws you continue to literally keep, because that debt of law never ends (i.e. 'love your neighbor as yourself'), and some laws you don't have to literally keep anymore because that debt of law got paid one time for all time and continues to be paid (i.e. sacrifice for sin).

Maybe you don't realize that the Christian Commandment to love thy neighbor as thyself comes from... God's law in The Old Testament!

OLD TESTAMENT

Lev 19:18
18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

KJV

NEW TESTAMENT

Gal 5:14
14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

KJV

Rom 13:9-10
9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
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Apostle Paul's meaning is that IF... we don't do those sins like he listed there in Romans 13:9, which are sins against our fellow brethren (and strangers), then we will be fulfilling the law, because doing good works, there is NO law against.

Paul NEVER taught that all of God's law went dead by Christ's cross. As a matter of fact, Paul showed in 1 Timothy 1 that many of God's laws are STILL IN EFFECT for Christian society upon the WICKED, the sinner and the ungodly.


So as a Christian people, what do we want?

Do we want to be free of any and all authority over us, not being subject to laws against sin? That is definitely what the children of darkness and criminals want! They want to rape, and steal, and murder, and lie, and riot in the streets, with NO LAW to control them. And that is called ANARCHY. Heck, their Communist buddies that want to destroy Christian America even put out evil TV shows like Sons of Anarchy to push ideas of being your 'own' law, just to put those rebellious ideas in the heads of the deceived! And city mayors and governors allow rioters in the streets and push that criminal behavior off as if they are only misunderstood!

The criminal behavior increasing today in Western society is because of the changing... of God's laws that He gave His people to keep the peace with.

So this matter is not about some spiritual philosophy involving Christ's death on the cross. If Lord Jesus had meant that all of God's laws are now removed and dead, then He would have never allowed Apostle Paul to teach what he did in 1 Timothy 1, and Galatians 5, and...

Rom 7:25
25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
KJV
 

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People are able to fulfil the law by letting Jesus into their heart who completed it already. Jesus is the righteousness of all mankind. The commandments are simple. Faith and love.
 

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People are able to fulfil the law by letting Jesus into their heart who completed it already. Jesus is th

What would you do if you were a policeman and could arrest and a criminal in the very act of rape?

If the law is fulfilled, then what is it that applies over that criminal? Just a wish to love Jesus?
 

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Jesus is the standard we can never achieve that is why faith is needed. We received forgiveness of sins, already. It’s up for one to accept it and follow Jesus dying daily putting him as our king and master or not.
 

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Here's a Scripture by Lord Jesus that the Communists here no doubt hate...

Luke 22:35-38
35 And He said unto them, "When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing?" And they said, "Nothing."

36 Then said He unto them, "But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.


37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in Me, 'And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning Me have an end."

38 And they said, "Lord, behold, here are two swords." And He said unto them, "It is enough."
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When Lord Jesus said to offer the other cheek to our enemies, that situation was about being persecuted for preaching The Gospel, and not with a criminal persecution like someone coming at you with a knife or gun to murder you.

The above Scripture by Lord Jesus shows that we as Christians have the God-given right... to defend ourselves!
 

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Jesus is the standard we can never achieve that is why faith is needed. We received forgiveness of sins, already. It’s up for one to accept it and follow Jesus dying daily putting him as our king and master or not.

What do you think of the Luke 22 Scripture where Lord Jesus told His disciples that didn't have a sword, to go buy one? Are you saying they lacked Faith, and that's why they needed a sword?

And no, not your FUTURE SINS have already been forgiven. That is a lie and not supported by God's Word. Here is what Apostle Paul said which sins are... forgiven...

Rom 3:24-26
24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;


26 To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness: that He might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
KJV


When you first believed on Jesus Christ and baptized, all your sins PRIOR were forgiven. And NOW after that point, you are to WALK by The Holy Spirit, trying to be perfect in not sinning! But, IF... you DO commit a future sin, then you are to REPENT of it, asking Jesus forgiveness, in order to KEEP THAT WALK WITH HIM. This is exactly what Apostle John was teaching in 1 John 1 to Christians.
 
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Jesus never said a person couldn’t defend themselves. I don’t have a problem with self defense or national guard or the military.
 

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No one said you can’t defend yourself.

Oh, so there still are laws from God that exist today?

Luke 22 with Jesus' command to His disciples that didn't have a sword, to go buy one, is proof that the 2nd Amendment of the Constitution of The United States about the right of the people to bear arms is very Biblical.
 

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Paul NEVER taught that all of God's law went dead by Christ's cross.
I hope you do not think I said this in my post.
I said quite the opposite.
The law 'love your neighbor as yourself' is an ongoing debt of law - Romans 13:8.
While the law of animal sacrifice is not an ongoing debt of law. That was completely and totally satisfied one time for all time with the sacrifice of Christ - Hebrews 10:12.
 

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Jesus never said a person couldn’t defend themselves. I don’t have a problem with self defense or national guard or the military.

Then as believers on Jesus Christ, we have the 'duty' to be very careful what we say about God's law, for Satan's little workers in some pulpits today want us to think that Lord Jesus nailed all of God's laws to His cross. And if that isn't bad, their 'once saved, always saved' doctrine is even worse, because even though many claim its innocence, it is actually a doctrine to destroy any idea of checking ourselves for future sins, and repenting of it.
 

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I hope you do not think I said this in my post.
I said quite the opposite.
The law 'love your neighbor as yourself' is an ongoing debt of law - Romans 13:8.
While the law of animal sacrifice is not an ongoing debt of law. That was completely and totally satisfied one time for all time with the sacrifice of Christ - Hebrews 10:12.

All one has to say is "Fulfillment of the law", to set me off on this. A phrase like that is too often used to push anarchy and claim it is being in Christ.
 

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Then as believers on Jesus Christ, we have the 'duty' to be very careful what we say about God's law, for Satan's little workers in some pulpits today want us to think that Lord Jesus nailed all of God's laws to His cross. And if that isn't bad, their 'once saved, always saved' doctrine is even worse, because even though many claim its innocence, it is actually a doctrine to destroy any idea of checking ourselves for future sins, and repenting of it.

All I know sir is faith and love. Anything outside of that a persons freedom of choice sir. I believe God is more powerful than the Bible in conviction by the Holy Spirit to any believers.

God by the spirit can cause a person to realize they were in the wrong.

Though the Bible is highly profitable for a renewed mind and heart.