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50 What I am saying, dear brothers and sisters, is that our physical bodies cannot inherit the Kingdom of God. These dying bodies cannot inherit what will last forever.

The actual language is that flesh and blood bodies can’t inherit the kingdom:

1Co 15:50 Now this is what I am saying, brothers and sisters: Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Jesus rose in a body of flesh and bone - no blood - and Paul makes clear that we will be like Him.
In fact the apostles thought Jesus’ risen body was a spirit, but He set them straight:

Luk 24:36 While they were saying these things, Jesus himself stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.”

Luk 24:37 But they were startled and terrified, thinking they saw a ghost.

Luk 24:38 Then he said to them, “Why are you frightened, and why do doubts arise in your hearts?

Luk 24:39 Look at my hands and my feet; it’s me! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones like you see I have.”

His body is now flesh and bone, not flesh and BLOOD.

Paul makes clear we shall be like the resurrected Jesus is now:

1Jn 3:2 Dear friends, we are God’s children now, and what we will be has not yet been revealed. We know that whenever it is revealed we will be like him

Philippians 3:21 (NET)

21 who will transform these humble bodies of ours into the likeness of his glorious body by means of that power by which he is able to subject all things to himself.

1 Corinthians 15 thus is NOT saying that our new bodies will be nebulous and non-corporeal spirits, like a ghost - but that our new bodies won’t be mortal bodies that need to breathe, or that needs blood in them.

1. Jesus is not a ghostly spirit, but has a body of flesh and bone.

2. Our resurrected bodies will be just like His - flesh and bone.
 

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You know the serpent on the pole symbolizes Jesus on the cross, who was made to be sin for us, right?
Satan, the serpent throughout scripture, is not only the deceiver, but also the great imitator who disguises himself as an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:14-15 and just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, WE need to lift Jesus higher in worship and praise.
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Satan, the serpent throughout scripture, is not only the deceiver, but also the great imitator who disguises himself as an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:14-15 and just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, WE need to lift Jesus higher in worship and praise.
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Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
 

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Num 21:8 And the LORD said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

Num 21:9 And Moses made a serpent of brass, and put it upon a pole, and it came to pass, that if a serpent had bitten any man, when he beheld the serpent of brass, he lived.

Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:

Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
The making of graven images is against the law. Neither can graven images save. So who is the Saviour, the bronze serpent or the Son of Man, and who should we worship?
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2. Neither Ryrie, nor Scofield, nor Darby originated the distinction between the Church and Israel.
I posted a transcribred TV interview with Dr Charles Ryrie of Dallas Theological Seminary in post #892 above that I am reposting here for you. Ryrie DOES say that there IS a distinction between the church and Israel...(I will highlight that portion in red)

I have deleted irrelevant chit-chat to save space here.

The Interview:
DR. CHARLES RYRIE ON THE BIBLE AND DISPENSATIONALISM

Dr. Reagan: I agree, well I appreciate you mentioning that to us. You know, Dr. Ryrie, in 1909, the very first study Bible was produced. And as I understand it, that’s the very first one in history, one where they had notes at the bottom of the page. And that was by a Dallas pastor, C.I. Scofield.

Dr. Reagan: Now, to get back to the Scofield Study Bible. One thing that sort of intrigued me about that, Dr. Ryrie, is that the Scofield Study Bible is still in print. In fact, I think it has a revision committee that revises it every so often. And it is written from what is called a dispensational view point. You also have a dispensational view point so why was it you felt led to put out another study Bible when that one was already there?

Dr. Ryrie:. And my approach is different from the Scofield [Bible]. Not my theology but my approach because the Scofield, the notes are more synthesis, putting things together. So I don’t think while our theology is the same, our approach is different.

Dr. Reagan: I mentioned that Scofield wrote his study Bible from a dispensational viewpoint and you did the same thing. What in the world is a dispensational viewpoint, what does it mean?

Dr. Ryrie: It just recognizes a very simple truth. And that is God has dispensed, dispensational, dispensed the way the rules by which He’s governed the world differently at different times.

Dr. Reagan: So give us an example of two different dispensations.

Dr. Ryrie: Well, I think the clearest example is the set of rules that we call the Law, the Mosaic Law. There are 613 commandments. They govern almost every area of a Jewish person’s life, not only how he worshipped but the things he gave, what he ate. Just everything was governed that way. For example, you and I are probably violating the Mosaic Law. I’m not sure about you but I know about me, because I’m wearing a shirt of mixed material.

Dr. Reagan: Actually, to some degree I guess all Christians are dispensationalists in the sense that they would at least recognize two dispensations, the old and the new. Dispensationalists tend to recognize some seven different dispensations, correct?

Dr. Ryrie: That’s the usual. But I think if you recognize now today the new church grace and the one previous to that, Moses’ law, and if you, as we are, pre-millennialist then you recognize the future one, the millennium, so you’ve got three. Going backwards, the millennium and today and the previous law and the law began at a certain point in time, so there’s a pre-law time. So you’ve got four without trouble, you don’t have to try.

Dr. Reagan: Well it seems to me that another distinguishing characteristic of dispensationalism is that dispensationalists are the only ones that I know of who clearly differentiate between the Church and Israel.

Dr. Ryrie: Absolutely.

Dr. Reagan: Explain that.

Dr. Reagan: Well it seems to me like this is one of the greatest errors that’s made in the interpretation of the Bible today is the idea that the Church has replaced Israel. And as I mentioned earlier you go to some versions of the Bible and you find that here’s a whole chapter in the Old Testament about Israel. And they say, no it’s a chapter about the Church and they argue that God washed his hands of the Jewish people in the First Century, has no purpose left for them whatsoever and I wonder what they do with Romans 9-11.

Dr. Ryrie: Well there are other passages that distinguish Israel and the Church since the day of Pentecost, at which time the Church was supposed to have begun to replace Israel. The first mention of Church in the book of Acts is in chapter 5. And also in chapter 5, Gamaliel said, “you men of Israel”, same chapter. And of course that’s in 30’s, you get to the 50s, and Paul wrote, “give no offense either to the Jews, Gentiles are the Church of God”, and there’s Jews distinguished from the Church. (My note added here on 12/1321: Ryrie completely twist the writing of Paul where he says..."and there's Jews distinguised from the church!" Not one of over 40 Bibles translates it that way! He deliberately alters the wording to fit a dispensational doctrine because there is NO separation from Israel and the body of Christ; the church.)

Dr. Reagan: Do you know of any place in the Bible where Israel is used to refer to the Church?

Dr. Ryrie: No, there’s one passage that people use but that’s only an optional interpretation of the passage.

(Note 2: This is another portion of another transcripted interview with Dr. Ryries where he continues to state that the "church and Israel" are separate.)

Dr. Reagan: I would think that you would also mention another argument being a Dispensationalist and that is that the great Tribulation is a period where God is dealing with Israel, not with the Church, and again we’re keeping Israel and the Church separate here.

Dr. Ryrie: I was going to make that with Daniel 9 because the seven, sevens are for Israel upon your people and your holy city and we are not, the Church is not his people in that day. We are his people now.

Note: Ryrie here again reveals his meaning of the separation of the "church" and "Israel" and his revernce for the Scofield Bible.​
 

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More on the roots on the heresy of "dispensationalism" from....

Book review:
Dispensationalism: Essential Beliefs and Common Myths,
by Michael J. Vlach​

Quote: "Vlach deals first with the history of dispensationalism, beginning with J. N. Darby's recognition in the 1800s of Israel's distinction from the church, a position Darby said was fully formed for him by 1833. Vlach goes on to discuss three key periods of dominance in the development of dispensationalism: Classical (1802-1940s), Revised or Modified (1950-1985), and Progressive (mid-1980s)."

Folks, this is not my personal views of the doctrine of Dispensationalism; this is merely stating what theologians from Dalla Theological Seminary are teaching. It is clearly heresy to say that God intended to have the Jews separated from the Gentiles EVER! Any reading of Ephesians 2 blows the separation of Jews and Gentiles from the "body of Christ" apart.​
 

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Perhaps this will help you.

Jhn 1:41 - He first found his brother Simon, and said to him, "We have found the Messiah" (which means Christ).
Jhn 4:25 - The woman said to him, "I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ); when he comes, he will show us all things."​

Once again these two words are the same and are the same individual:

Hebrew: Messiah
Greek: Christ​

Messiah was the Hebrew name for the NT Christ. Jesus and was his name before the crucifixion. After the cross his name was Christ. Savior, King, Lord, Son of God and many other titles are among others attributed to him.

Isa 9:6-7...a)For to us a child is born, b)to us a son is given; c)and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called "d)Wonderful Counselor, e)Mighty God, f)Everlasting Father, g)Prince of Peace." 7h-Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end, i)upon the throne of David, and over his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and for evermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will do this."

Below is the OT and then the NT fulfillment of Isaiah 9:6&7.

OT- Is 9:6a..."Unto us a child is born..."
NT - Luke 2:11..."...for to you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, who is Christ the Lord."

OT- Is 9:6b... "to us a son is given;"
NT- Jhn 3:16 - "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son"

OT- Is 9:6c..." and the government will be upon his shoulder"
NT- Mat 28:18 - And Jesus said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me."
1 Cor 15:24-25..."Then comes the end, when [Christ] delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power. Then comes the end, when he delivers the kingdom to God the Father after destroying every rule and every authority and power."

OT- Is 9:6d..."Wonderful Counselor,
NT- Jhn 14:16...And I will pray the Father, and he will give you another Counselor, to be with you for ever,

OT- Is 9:6e..."Mighty God"
NT- Rev 4:8... "Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!"

OT- Is 9:6f...Everlasting Father,
NT- Rom 9:6..."...according to the command of the Eternal God,"

OT- Is 9:6g... "Prince of Peace."
NT- Eph 2:14..."For he is our peace, who has made us [both: Jews &Gentiles] one..."​

OT- Is 9:7h... Of the increase of his government and of peace there will be no end,
NT- Mat 28:19..."Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

OT- Is 9:7i... "...upon the throne of David
NT- Is 9:7... "He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David,"

OT- Is 9:7 j..."...and over his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from this time forth and for evermore.
NT- Luke 1:32..."... and he will reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there will be no end."​

Luk 24:44 - Then he said to them, "These are my words which I spoke to you, while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the law of Moses and the prophets and the psalms must be fulfilled."
Why is it you find it so hard to answer simple questions?

I know who the christ is.

I also know what the OT said about the christ. Which I just tried to show you. But you seem to have missed the mark.

Why did the disciples not believe Jesus woudl die? BECAUSE THE MESSIAH WAS NOT SUPPOSED TO DIE.

Its the hidden mystery. If Satan KNEW the messiah would die and that would be his defeat. SATAN WOULD HAVE PREVENTED IT, NOT INITIATED IT

Once again.

Please go back and answer my question. Because you did not do that.
 

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More on the roots on the heresy of "dispensationalism" from....

Book review:
Dispensationalism: Essential Beliefs and Common Myths,
by Michael J. Vlach​

Quote: "Vlach deals first with the history of dispensationalism, beginning with J. N. Darby's recognition in the 1800s of Israel's distinction from the church, a position Darby said was fully formed for him by 1833. Vlach goes on to discuss three key periods of dominance in the development of dispensationalism: Classical (1802-1940s), Revised or Modified (1950-1985), and Progressive (mid-1980s)."

Folks, this is not my personal views of the doctrine of Dispensationalism; this is merely stating what theologians from Dalla Theological Seminary are teaching. It is clearly heresy to say that God intended to have the Jews separated from the Gentiles EVER! Any reading of Ephesians 2 blows the separation of Jews and Gentiles from the "body of Christ" apart.​
Once again, This just shows you have no understanding of the OT.

God seperates the jew from the gentile

he gave the jew land

He also gave them a purpose and a Mission, Which they failed to fulfill

He also promised that through them (not the gentiles) would come the savior who would be a blessing to ALL NATIONS.

I do not know what you have against the college in Dallas. But it does not help your case. Until you look at the word. And actually listen to peole and ask THEM what they believe, you will continue to be lost in what you are told. Not in reality.
 

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Again, Christianity was not to emulate the Jewish faith which provided the symbolisms foreshadowing many heavenly things....with the introduction of the new covenant, those symbols were done away with because the worship of Christians no longer required them.

Although the Jews had a Scriptural basis for regarding Jerusalem as the center for worshiping their God, Jesus’ comments to the Samaritan woman at the well, showed that this arrangement for worship was not to continue.
John 2:20-22....
"Our ancestors worshiped on this mountain, but you say that the place where people must worship is in Jerusalem.” 21 Jesus told her, “Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when you will worship the Father neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem.
22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we do know, for salvation is from the Jews."


So as God's Temple for worship had only one location (in Jerusalem) and only at the Temple could sacrifices be offered.
Jesus returned to offer the value of his sacrifice to God in heaven...not on earth.
Hebrews 9:24-26....
"For Christ did not enter a sanctuary made by human hands, a mere copy of the true one, but he entered into heaven itself, so that he now appears in the presence of God on our behalf."

25 Nor was it his purpose to offer himself again and again, as the high priest enters into the sanctuary year after year with the blood that is not his own. 26 For then he would have had to suffer over and over again since the creation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once and for all at the end of the ages to abolish sin by sacrificing himself."


So....the sacrifices, festivals, priesthood and the like, forming a part of the Jewish arrangement for worship, were a shadow of greater things in heaven.
“The Law contains little more than a shadow of the good things to come and not the true image of them. These sacrifices that are offered year after year can never bring the worshipers to perfection.” (Hebrews 10:1)

So, once Jesus died and returned to heaven, emulating Jewish worship was pointless.....Christianity was a new arrangement under a new covenant. The "shadows" were no longer necessary. Anywhere Christians gathered, Christ was there in their midst (Matthew 18:20)....providing that the ones who were rendering worship to Jehovah were doing so in accord with all his commands, and not in a ritualistic manner as before.

When the Romans destroyed God's Temple in 70C.E. it was razed to the ground as Jesus had foretold...."not a stone will be left upon a stone"....But since the Temple was required for sacrifices, if the Jewish system was to continue, then God would have had the Temple rebuilt....it never has for almost 2000 years.....and they still await their Messiah.....who never comes because of failed expectations, not because he just didn't show up.


Are you trying to justify the ostentatious edifices that dot the landscape of every country in which mainstream Christianity is practiced?
Here are 22 of those cathedrals in various parts of the world....
22 of the Most Beautiful Cathedrals in the World

Now imagine who attended such edifices and how the poor could have benefited from the money spent currying favor with the rich, which is exactly what the pharisees did.
The Catholic church as well as other religious institutions are sitting on vast fortunes whilst their poor go hungry and without shelter...even in a wealthy country like the USA, thinking of itself as a "Christian" nation, the churches have the resources, but do not direct them to their own members in need.

There are many architecturally beautiful "churches" but the word in Greek means the congregated people, not the building.....so the building itself is of no consequence, once dedicated to God for worship, no matter how humble....it was what went on in those buildings that mattered....and what went on outside of them as well.


It all depends on who wrote the history.....how many of the history book could be rewritten if the truth were actually told from both sides.....? So no, I know that my brotherhood has always tried their best to follow through on the Bible's teachings without the additions that came in over the centuries and corrupted the heck out of what Jesus started.....his words at Matthew 7:21-23 say it all to me......those who offer him their excuses as to why they did not do the will of his Father as they were commanded to do, will hear "I NEVER KNEW YOU, get away from me you workers of lawlessness"......in saying that to professed Christians, Jesus is showing that what is done "in his name" means nothing if there is no obedience to his teachings. When he says "I NEVER KNEW YOU"..."NEVER" means "NOT EVER"......so not in their whole existence has Jesus set foot in their elaborate buildings or corrupt institutions.


Jesus set the example....he was fully immersed in the waters of the Jordan River...
Matthew 3:16-17....
"After Jesus had been baptized, as he came up from the water, suddenly the heavens were opened and he beheld the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice came from heaven, saying, “This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”

The word "Baptized" ("baptizō") means..."to dip repeatedly, to immerse, to submerge (of vessels sunk)" (Strongs)
So no sprinkling of water, and no infant baptism because infants cannot make a solemn decision to become disciples of Christ.... and there is no proxy arrangement.

Once I left Christendom...I left all of it.
Thank you for articulating/clarifying your opinion.

The Church teaches that immersion in water is preferred for baptism. However baptism ALSO can mean sprinkling or dipping which doesn't involve submersion. For some there are medical reasons not to be fully submerged in water. Should they be denied baptism because they can't be submerged? Also, I can walk into a river and come up out of the river without being submerged. Matthew 3 STRONGLY suggest that Jesus was submerged (and he probably was) but now where.....and this is VERY IMPORTANT....no where in scripture does it say that a person has to be submerged.

According to the Didache (written before some NT letters) the early church allowed the baptizer to "pour out water three times upon the head". Other early Christian historical art show and writings say the same thing....pouring of water, not submersion, is acceptable. I know you don't accept what your Christian forefathers (apostolic fathers) from the 1st century had to say about a lot of Christian practices/doctrine/dogma etc. You accept what your 19th century fathers have taught you. For this girl....I trust the 1st century Christians teachings/practices and NOT 19th century teachings/practices.

Respectfully.....Mary
 

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Once again, This just shows you have no understanding of the OT.
I would say that it "shows that you have no understanding of the NC" since you provide no scripture to support your position. I have posted the "roots of this new heresy" as well as many verses that contradict the Darby/Schofield/Dallas founders and promoters of this doctrine that came from one man's false interpretation of scripture. Scripture does say that "Satan comes as an angel of light" and this system of thought fits the bill.
God seperates the jew from the gentile

he gave the jew land

He also gave them a purpose and a Mission, Which they failed to fulfill

He also promised that through them (not the gentiles) would come the savior who would be a blessing to ALL NATIONS.

I do not know what you have against the college in Dallas. But it does not help your case.
Evidently you did not read my post where Dallas became devoted to spreading the doctrine of Dispensationalism in their "Articles" of which other seminaries picked up on it as their doctrine as well. In it they separate the church from the Jews. If you still think their Articles don't, then provide the verses that say "the Jews ARE separate from the church."


Until you look at the word. And actually listen to peole and ask THEM what they believe, you will continue to be lost in what you are told. Not in reality.
Until you look at the history of dispensationalism by researching it for yourself then you will continue to be lost in what you are told. Not in reality.
 
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Please show me where "Mass" was celebrated ever in the first century....? Its evolution is of no consequence if it was never part of original Christianity.
Thanks for asking Jane. I love to share our Christian history. The confusing part about your question is that you reject early christian writings because that is....according to you....when Christians started moving away from the teachings of Christ. Thats when the apostasy started. Sooooooo I am not sure what good it would do to show you "where "Mass" was celebrated ever in the first century" because you are going to just reject it out of hand. But you asked so here it is: :D

During the Mass the priest says, “The Lord be with you,” and the congregation responds, “And with your spirit.” This practice comes from 2 Timothy 4:22: “The Lord be with your spirit.” The Mass...in general.... is the re-presentation of The Last Supper. The priest repeats what Jesus said: This is my body/blood, take and eat/drink,......see Matt. 26:26-28, Mark 14:22-24, Luke 22:19-20, 1 Cor. 11:24-25. We say The Lords Prayer at every mass. In Acts 2 it says they devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and the prayers .Catholics still do these things, among other things from Scripture, 2,000 years later. Does your denomination?

The Didache is a very early (written before some NT books) writing from the Christian community. Part of it instructs Christians on what to do on Sunday: “on every Lord's day gather yourselves together, break bread and give thanks after having confessed your transgressions”. The Didache, written by people who walked and talked with the Apostles, instructs us what to do with the Eucharist (bread and wine). Catholics still do these things that the Apostles taught us to do, 2000 years later.


So now we jump to around the year 152 AD where Justin Martyr wrote what Christians did when they gathered on Sunday. If you know a Catholic Mass you will recognize it in his writings: On the day called Sunday there is a gathering together in the same place of all who live in a given city or rural district. The memoirs of the apostles or the writings of the prophets are read (scripture), as long as time permits. Then when the reader ceases, the president (priest) in a discourse admonishes and urges the imitation of these good things. Next we all rise together and send up prayers. When we cease from our prayer, bread is presented and wine and water. The president in the same manner sends up prayers and thanksgivings, according to his ability, and the people sing out their assent, saying the 'Amen.' A distribution and participation of the elements (Eucharist) for which thanks have been given is made to each person, and to those who are not present they are sent by the deacons. Those who have means and are willing, each according to his own choice, gives what he wills, and what is collected is deposited with the president. He provides for the orphans and widows, those who are in need on account of sickness or some other cause, those who are in bonds, strangers who are sojourning, and in a word he becomes the protector of all who are in need. And this food is called among us the Eucharist….it is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh."

So there you go Jane. I took you all the way from NT to the 2nd century and showed you how Catholics, since the beginning, still practice what our Christians forefathers have practiced. Grant it I know I wasted my time but I hope that you now have a better understanding of the history of the Mass.

Mary
 
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The things that disturb me most are the mindless repetitions of what are apparently called prayers.....
Thanks for your opinion Jane. You may have a problem with repetitive prayer but God doesn't. I will stick with what the bible tells me, not you:

•In Daniel 3:57 onwards, the words: “Bless the Lord, praise and exalt Him above all forever” are repeated multiple times.

•In Psalms 136, “God’s love endures forever” is repeated over and over and over.

•In Matthew 20:31, Jesus answers the prayer of the blind man because of his repetitive prayers.

•In Mark 11:9 the author writes, Those preceding him as well as those following him kept crying out (repeating), ‘Hosanna! Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord!’”

•In Revelation 4:8 the four living creatures, each of them with six wings, were covered with eyes inside and out. Day and night they do not stop exclaiming: “Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God almighty, who was, and who is, and who is to come.” These praises will be repeated more times than there are even numbers for.

Even Jesus prayed repetitively: Going a little farther, he fell to the ground and prayed that if possible the hour might pass from him. 36 “Abba, Father,” he said, “everything is possible for you. Take this cup from me. Yet not what I will, but what you will.” 37 Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping.......39 Once more he went away and prayed the same thing."

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o I think the word to focus on is "mindless". You are right. Mindless prayer is not true prayer.
 
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Why do you think telling people they are wrong is your job?
Ummmmmm.....Because Scripture is the Truth and if anyone speaks against the Truth it is our duty as Christians to defend the Truth......

always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,

hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it.

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anctify them in the truth; your word is truth.

And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

rightly handling the word of truth.

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ

I am put here for the defense of the gospel.

I thought you knew Scripture. Apparently you don't which explains why you say some of the things you say.....
 
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I would say that it "shows that you have no understanding of the NC" since you provide no scripture to support your position.
I have posted Roman’s 11 numerous times. Now you bear false witness

. I have posted the "roots of this new heresy" as well as many verses that contradict the Darby/Schofield/Dallas founders and promoters of this doctrine that came from one man's false interpretation of scripture. Scripture does say that "Satan comes as an angel of light" and this system of thought fits the bill. Evidently you did not read my post where Dallas became devoted to spreading the doctrine of Dispensationalism in their "Articles" of which other seminaries picked up on it as their doctrine as well. In it they separate the church from the Jews. If you still think their Articles don't, then provide the verses that say "the Jews ARE separate from the church."
and you can post it until you are blue in the fact it does not prove you right.

All you want to talk about is that not the word of God. Something is wrong with that

Until you look at the history of dispensationalism by researching it for yourself then you will continue to be lost in what you are told. Not in reality.
I have been a dispensarionalist almost my whole life. I do not need to read the history to tell me what I believe or why. That’s nonsense
 

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Telling people they are wrong is your job because it is not offensive but ‘defending the truth.’ Gotcha!
If you are offended at the Truth then that is your problem.....
 

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@Davy

I'm sorry. I want to ask for your forgiveness for getting frustrated at your responses to me and putting you on ignore. I've obviously taken you off of ignore now. Let's just both remember we are Christians and curb our conduct in our words.
 
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I cannot determine which Ironside is siding with.
I see what you are saying.

Ok, this first 2 lines tells what the following paragraph is about. It is about a critque of the book Harry Ironside wrote titled 'The Great Parenthesis: the mystery in Daniel's prophecy.'

Then the writer tell what Ironside said in that book that he disagrees with which is: “I believe it can be shown from Scripture that this Great Parenthesis is the true key to a right understanding of prophecy.” The rest of the paragraph is the writers opposing view of Ironsides claim of "the Great Parenthesis of Israel" while the church is the focus of God in this present age. The "Great Parenthesis" is just another term for "separating the church from the Jews" because the Jews turned down Jesus' "offer of a kingdom."

The last paragraph in blue is the writers opinion of "the Great Parenthesis" theory that began with Darby's promoting the newly devised doctrine in England, Scotland and then to the USA in the early 1900's or late 1800's.
 

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I see what you are saying.

Ok, this first 2 lines tells what the following paragraph is about. It is about a critque of the book Harry Ironside wrote titled 'The Great Parenthesis: the mystery in Daniel's prophecy.'

Then the writer tell what Ironside said in that book that he disagrees with which is: “I believe it can be shown from Scripture that this Great Parenthesis is the true key to a right understanding of prophecy.” The rest of the paragraph is the writers opposing view of Ironsides claim of "the Great Parenthesis of Israel" while the church is the focus of God in this present age. The "Great Parenthesis" is just another term for "separating the church from the Jews" because the Jews turned down Jesus' "offer of a kingdom."

The last paragraph in blue is the writers opinion of "the Great Parenthesis" theory that began with Darby's promoting the newly devised doctrine in England, Scotland and then to the USA in the early 1900's or late 1800's.

Is that what they call Replacement Theology? I don't believe in that. The New Covenant was for the Jews first, and the Gentiles were added at the door of Cornelius. There is one kingdom, and the Jews were only partially blinded, not fully blinded so they could still come into the Church and become part of the Bride of Christ. After the last Gentile comes into the Church at the cutoff being the start of the Great Tribulation, then the partial blindness will be fully removed and the rest of national Israel alive at that time will be lifted and all Israel will be saved during the first 3 1/2 years. Romans 11. Personally, I believe this is the last month before the year the GT starts. The timing I see has to do with the fulfillment of Rev. 8 on April 13, 2029 according to NASA. So minus 7 years for the GT, is 2022.