Treason against God/Christ the King

Mike Tang 1991 said:

Hi,

Isn't it considered Treason against God/Jesus to pledge allegiance to another sovereignty/king/queen?

If so, isn't the entire current British monarch considered an illegal operation against God?

I live in Canada and it is mandatory for all citizen to sign a pledge of allegiance to Queen Elizabeth II

Here is the pledge that you have to take to be a Canadian citizen: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oath_of_Allegiance_(Canada)

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No. Render unto Cesar the things that are Cesar's, and unto God the things that are Gods. Allegiance, is recognizing the authority that God has placed on kings and queens and other rulers like Presidents.

Romans 13:
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. 2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.

Mike Tang 1991 said:

Those are the same people that executed Jesus...

So if those governments/kings/queens told you to execute Jesus, you would do so? (Since they are the "governing authority")

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Pilate was the governor. He didn't want to execute Jesus.

Why are some Christians always looking for some way to disobey Scripture and rebel against it with their human reasoning, instead of guided by the Holy Spirit?

1stCenturyLady said:

Pilate was the governor. He didn't want to execute Jesus.

Why are some Christians always looking for some way to disobey Scripture and rebel against it with their human reasoning, instead of guided by the Holy Spirit?

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Lack of discipleship and lack of mutual submission. Submission is seen as an evil thing by the world. The carnal mind rejects limits and boundaries set by the authority, and all authority, whether good or evil, comes from God.

Mike Tang 1991 said:

Hi,

Isn't it considered Treason against God/Jesus to pledge allegiance to another sovereignty/king/queen?

If so, isn't the entire current British monarch considered an illegal operation against God?

I live in Canada and it is mandatory for all citizen to sign a pledge of allegiance to Queen Elizabeth II

Here is the pledge that you have to take to be a Canadian citizen: Oath of Allegiance (Canada) - Wikipedia

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A pledge of allegiance is not the same thing as worship.

Now if they require you to 'worship' the Queen, then that is different. Say no.

If you study more of God's Word, you will find that He is Who established the kings and queens over His people, king Saul being the first over His people. Originally, GOD was Israel's King, but the people wanted a king like the nations around them that they could see. God warned them, but they still wanted a flesh king, and thus many of the monarchs have been evil, but not all of them, king David being one the best, not perfect, but definitely the best example of a flesh king to date.

Then, if you understand that, you will also find a lot of Hollywood Communists that hate... the idea of the monarchy, and it shows in their vain movies and TV series. Their earliest followers had queens and kings murdered back in history, Czar Nicholas and Alexandria and family being the last ones murdered in 1917 Russia. Both of them were descendants of Queen Victoria of Britain. Alexandria was related to the Queen of Denmark. The royal families of Europe are all related to each other.

And the fact further is, our Lord Jesus Christ is The KING of kings, and LORD of lords. That means Christ's future Kingdom to come is a royal Monarchy! So anyone that has a problem with the idea of a King is certainly... in trouble in when Lord Jesus returns!

Mike Tang 1991 said:

Hi,

Isn't it considered Treason against God/Jesus to pledge allegiance to another sovereignty/king/queen?

If so, isn't the entire current British monarch considered an illegal operation against God?

I live in Canada and it is mandatory for all citizen to sign a pledge of allegiance to Queen Elizabeth II

Here is the pledge that you have to take to be a Canadian citizen: Oath of Allegiance (Canada) - Wikipedia

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If eating meat offered to idols offends you don't do it, and likewise if pledging allegiance to a head of state offends you, don't do it.

But be aware that both are matters of conscience which are not prohibited in Scripture:

Rom 13:1-7 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. (2) Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves. (3) For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to evil. Do you want to be unafraid of the authority? Do what is good, and you will have praise from the same. (4) For he is God's minister to you for good. But if you do evil, be afraid; for he does not bear the sword in vain; for he is God's minister, an avenger to execute wrath on him who practices evil. (5) Therefore you must be subject, not only because of wrath but also for conscience' sake. (6) For because of this you also pay taxes, for they are God's ministers attending continually to this very thing. (7) Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor.

Mike Tang 1991 said:

Hi,

Isn't it considered Treason against God/Jesus to pledge allegiance to another sovereignty/king/queen?

If so, isn't the entire current British monarch considered an illegal operation against God?

I live in Canada and it is mandatory for all citizen to sign a pledge of allegiance to Queen Elizabeth II

Here is the pledge that you have to take to be a Canadian citizen: Oath of Allegiance (Canada) - Wikipedia

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Nationalism is the #1 false religion today. All nations will be destroyed by God at Armageddon because Satan is the ruler of the world so he's is the ruler of the nations. John 14:30. This is reasonable to understand since at Matthew 4:8,9 Satan offered Jesus all the kingdoms of the world if he would do an act of worship to him. So pledging allegiance to any nation is treason against God and his Christ the Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ. God has made his Only Begotten Son Jesus Christ king of the messianic kingdom which is the only hope for mankind. The nations refuse to subject themselves to the Messianic kingdom. Psalms 2:1-3. They refuse to subject themselves to the Only Begotten Son of God Jesus Christ, as their king.

As long as it’s understood that Jesus is Lord….




… and Caesar isn’t.

Mike Tang 1991 said:

This is what happened the FIRST time around with Jesus and the governments/states/authorities at the time.



Virtually ALL citizens of every nation pledges "oath of allegiance" to their government/country: Oath of allegiance - Wikipedia

An oath of allegiance is an oath whereby a subject or citizen acknowledges a duty of allegiance and swears loyalty to monarch or country.




This is the literal definition of TREASON, and Jesus said that you are NOT supposed to do so:

Matthew 5:34 - But I tell you, do not swear an oath at all: either by heaven, for it is God’s throne; or by the earth, for it is his footstool; or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King.

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Jehovah witnesses don't pledge allegiance to any flag. In the United States they don't stand up when the national Anthem is played because they view it as worship to Caesar. When Jehovah Witnesses have to go to court they don't swear on the Bible to tell the truth, they tell the court instead that Jehovah has said liars will not be in his kingdom so for that reason they will be truthful and honest.

David is a fantastic example of how God expects people to respect their government and be faithful to it, even if the people holding office aren't worthy of respect. After all the unjustifiable attempts Saul made on his life, David still treated Saul as his master and his king. The only acceptable time for a Christian to be disloyal to the government is when said government puts the Christian in a situation to disobey God's commandments in the process. An example of this would be Constantine the Great's edict where he demanded Sabbath keepers observe Sunday if they didn't want to lose their property, their life, or their freedom.