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Come on Guys open your minds have you ever heard of Symbolism? It is used by God and Christ throughout the Bible. The bible also interprets itself. Have you ever read Revelation?
 

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So if the word Trees really means physical bodies, then the point I was trying to make earlier is: Why would God tell us to have sex with any person in the garden?Also at that time there where no other people present but Adam& Eve!
That's missing the boat on the point, though. The act itself is not what the problem is. God told Adam to associate himself with everyone in the garden but don't touch the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. That's where the Parable of the Fig Tree comes into to help us understand the difference between a good tree and a bad tree. The act itself goes at the purpose of Satan to attempt to destory the very line that would later lead to Christ. The tree of life is a metaphor, not a symbol. The tree of life is our Savior. As I said, Christ said there's only one way to life and to the father. God never created a literal tree with fruit that would give this life and way and it's absolutely absurd to say so when he's told you otherwise. I'd also like to point out, Tama, that there is only one tree at the end. There's a reason for that. The other one has been done away with in the lake of fire.
 

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Come on Guys open your minds have you ever heard of Symbolism? It is used by God and Christ throughout the Bible. The bible also interprets itself. Have you ever read Revelation?
Symbolism - is exactly what I'm using here
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But tree doesn't symbolise 'people'. we need to use common sence and not to let our somments and points contradict each other....
 

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I'd also like to point out, Tama, that there is only one tree at the end. There's a reason for that. The other one has been done away with in the lake of fire.
Exactly what I said! Jesus is the Tree of life and Satan is the Tree of knowlegde of good and evil... At the end Devil will be thrown into the lake of fire, and Jesus will remain the only winner!!! That explains the only 1 tree at the end...
 

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You are mistaken trees often represent Nations and/or its people in scripturesame way stars represent angles,candlesticks/lampstands represent churches. Fig tree is always Israel/Jews
But we are talking about Garden od Eden. You need to consider what's going on around the actual word. Verses before it, after it, location, what went on before then, and what it caused.... And in Garden of Eden - it couln't represent nations, or people. It couln't represent places. It was linked directly linked to first sin...
 

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Another Study"The Fall of Mankind."This Bible Study is written by Roger Christopherson, and it's transcription/ location is provided by http://www.theseason.org/Trees and a serpent are given in this chapter to represent men. God, in fact, calls Himself the Evergreen tree, or Fir tree in Ezekiel 31:8. To understand what, and who this serpent is, we turn to Revelation 20:2 to clear up our understanding. "And He laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan," So we see that it is Satan that is the serpent. Satan also has many other names, and in this final generation he will be known as "the Antichrist", and the "son of perdition". This is not an uncommon interpretation made up by Denver, but a teaching on a deeper level,getting into the meat of the word,rather than the the milk if you do not understand it put it on the shelf till it makes sense to you. There may be other things you need to understand first.
 

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And another study Tree of life The Christmas tree many times gets a bad rap from the unlearned. Many would even call it pagan worship. But then their are those who look beyond those who may criticize this symbol of belief. The tree symbolizes the eternal cycle of life and death and resurrection. In spring the tree puts forth its tender buds and flowers; through the long summer its leafy branches cover both men and beast with shade and comfort; and in fall, when its work is done and its life giving fruits have been plucked from its withering limbs, its sap returns to the earth for winter to await the resurrection of spring. And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil. (Genesis 2:9) As far back in Genesis Christ existed as the "Tree of Life" in the midst of the garden, just as Satan existed as "The tree of knowledge of good and evil." The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise. (Proverbs 11:30) That fruit of righteousness is Jesus Christ who wins souls to eternal life. The glory of Lebanon shall come unto thee, the fir tree, the pine tree, and the box together, to beautify the place of my sanctuary; and I will make the place of my feet glorious. (Isaiah 60:13) The trees and their symbology are important and glorious to God. I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. (John 15:5) Christ is always the true vine, but the fir or pine tree which we use at Christmas can also represent Christ and the eternal cycle of life through His death and resurrection. Christ always puts forth His tender love for us all, along with His outreaching arms to cover both man and beast with comfort and protection. His life giving fruit found in His Word is there to be plucked for wisdom and knowledge. Christ also gave His blood for us so that we may have life again in the resurrection. Eternal life… as part of the everlasting cycle of life.
 

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Last though not the best here is Wikipedia: On the other hand, trees appear with symbolic meaning throughout the Bible: and the Christmas tree alludes to and builds upon this biblical symbolism. From the symbolic tree of knowledge of good and evil, concerning which the Fall of man and the curse of death came, to the tree of life from access to which mankind has been cut off, to the Oak of Mamre which "witnessed" the covenant made with Abraham and the renewal of that covenant with Joshua, to promises concerning the root of Jesse, the Branch, the Messiah, who was hung on a tree to bear the curse, and has been raised up again as a tree of life for the healing of the nations: the Christian story can be told from beginning to end in the symbolic terms of trees.To focus on one stream of the development of this late Christian symbol, the Christmas tree symbolizes, in part, the promised "Branch", the Messiah, who must be the "Root of Jesse", the descendant prefigured by Jesse's royal son, David. The tree symbolizes the human geneaology of Jesus and especially his tie to David's royal line through Solomon, which had been perplexingly cut off by God from ever inheriting the throne, after Jeconiah. This connection to the cut-off line is symbolized by the cut-down tree, and is indirectly a symbol of the Son of God. According to Christian tradition, although a descendant of Nathan on his mother's side, Jesus is an heir of Solomon on his supposed father's side. In other words, if Joseph were in fact Jesus's father, then Jesus cannot be the Messiah, because Joseph is descended from Jeconiah, the cut-off line.Also I might ask what you think a family tree represents if not people?Where do you think the symbol of "Branch" comes from and what it means.
 

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This is not an uncommon interpretation made up by Denver, but a teaching on a deeper level,getting into the meat of the word,rather than the the milk if you do not understand it put it on the shelf till it makes sense to you. There may be other things you need to understand first.
I think I understand this topic very well, and meat and milk comment is very judgemental. But okay. Not an uncommon - doesn't mean right! There are alot of things there are not uncommon but are not right. I finished 3-year Bible Missionary college studying Bible using all sorts of applications that I am still using. I read and study Bible alot, so Meat I Eat!!!
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But it is upto you how to study Bible for yourself. But please, pray before you read it, study it using Holy Spirit inside of you as a tool for understanding what you're studying. And common sense helps too.
 

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I will say this to everyone here. Everyone here, will not know everything that God says. Trees here, do refer to people...because trees can not do evil/good actions, nor can they speak. At first glance, in the garden of Eden, would be eating a literal fruit, but its really not a literal tree if we read the scriptures more.The Earth is impossible to be 6,000 years old, we are in the second earth age.It's amazing how God show us the truth, for those who is truly seeking His Word.If Cain was in Adam's geology and there is no devils line, Can there be evil going on this Earth today? I say unto thee, Nay.Lovest thou in Christ Jesus our Lord and Saviour.
 

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I think I understand this topic very well, and meat and milk comment is very judgemental. But okay. Not an uncommon - doesn't mean right! There are alot of things there are not uncommon but are not right. I finished 3-year Bible Missionary college studying Bible using all sorts of applications that I am still using. I read and study Bible alot, so Meat I Eat!!!
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But it is upto you how to study Bible for yourself. But please, pray before you read it, study it using Holy Spirit inside of you as a tool for understanding what you're studying. And common sense helps too.
I did not intend to be judgemental nor was this post just to you. TamaI am pleased you know the difference between meat and milk but many do not. This was an statement not a judgement.And I am glad you have studied at school but Gods word is far beyond any school teaching. I have studied it and the languages for almost 20 years and continue to learn not that it matters at all. But you can not say something is wrong just because you can not see it. One must present some kind evidence besides an opinion if you are going to go against commonly accepted interpitations. So that people can decide which they will believe.I presented plenty of evidence from several sources that the language is often symbolic of trees being people if one dosn't see it fine. But as I said this was not a post directed only to one person It was to show that this is a commonly understood interpretation accepted by many biblical scholars. Therfore requiresmuch reasearch and proof before it can be dismissed. One must prove where the scholars are wrong. __________________Futher more groups of trees as people is in the WordJudges 9:8-15 8 One day the trees went out to anoint a king for themselves. They said to the olive tree, 'Be our king.' (do you talk to trees?) 9 "But the olive tree answered, (Do trees talk back?)'Should I give up my oil, by which both gods and men are honored, to hold sway over the trees?' 10 "Next, the trees said to the fig tree, 'Come and be our king.'(Do trees talk?) 11 "But the fig tree replied, 'Should I give up my fruit, so good and sweet, to hold sway over the trees?' 12 "Then the trees said to the vine, 'Come and be our king.' 13 "But the vine answered, 'Should I give up my wine, which cheers both gods and men, to hold sway over the trees?' 14 "Finally all the trees said to the thornbush, 'Come and be our king. (it is pretty obvious this is symbolic)
 

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Symbolism - is exactly what I'm using here
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But tree doesn't symbolise 'people'. we need to use common sence and not to let our somments and points contradict each other....

Exactly what I said! Jesus is the Tree of life and Satan is the Tree of knowlegde of good and evil... At the end Devil will be thrown into the lake of fire, and Jesus will remain the only winner!!! That explains the only 1 tree at the end...
So the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is Satan - we agree.The tree of Life is Christ - we again agree.So where does the sin of plucking an apple or any sort of fruit off of a tree come from? It's not there! If we're able to come to the above conclusions then what is the obvious answer?Genesis 2:16-17And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.So if the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is not really a tree (as you agree), and it says eat of every tree but this one tree(of the knowledge of good and evil) that is not really a tree...what makes the others mentioned in the context here trees? The simple and clear answer is that they are not.Why ever would God say (paraphrasing) "Eat of any fruit you want but don't mess with Satan over there." That doesn't make sense. What he's saying is associate yourself with anybody here but that one over there. Sexual seduction (II Corinthians 11:3) was simply the tool.The tree of life - supposing for others here - is not named here. If this were a grove of trees, then why is the tree of life not also mentioned? Trees don't move.That's where that common sense that you're speaking of comes into play for us.
 

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Another Study"The Fall of Mankind."This Bible Study is written by Roger Christopherson, and it's transcription/ location is provided by http://www.theseason.org/Trees and a serpent are given in this chapter to represent men. God, in fact, calls Himself the Evergreen tree, or Fir tree in Ezekiel 31:8. To understand what, and who this serpent is, we turn to Revelation 20:2 to clear up our understanding. "And He laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan," So we see that it is Satan that is the serpent. Satan also has many other names, and in this final generation he will be known as "the Antichrist", and the "son of perdition". This is not an uncommon interpretation made up by Denver, but a teaching on a deeper level,getting into the meat of the word,rather than the the milk if you do not understand it put it on the shelf till it makes sense to you. There may be other things you need to understand first.
Well, if we can use revelation to shed light as to who the serpent is, can't we use revealtion to tell us who the "tree" is?Genesis 2:9And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.Revelation 2:7He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I (Jesus) give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.Revelation 22:2In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.Revelation 22:14Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
 

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Revelation 22:1 "And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb." The "pure river of water of life" is more of a rain of the substance as seen in Strong's Greek Dictionary #5204, "Hudatos" (as if rainy). The "water of life", or "Zoe" [#2222 in Strong's Greek dictionary] takes us to the root of word #5590 meaning "psyche", which is merely "vitality". This vitality is extended even to plant life; and extends to mankind to heart, life, mind, soul, you and I.This substance is eternal and came forth from the throne of God and the Lamb. The Lamb is our Lord Jesus Christ, who became the perfect sacrifice for our sins, through His sinless life, and shed blood on the cross. These thrones of Father and Son will be in our midst as we spend an eternity with them.Is God a hateful God? Never! God is a loving God who has the ability far beyond what any human mind can comprehend, to give repentance and salvation to all who will hear His word, see their sins, and repent. He even set up a kingdom on earth, for 1,000 years of teaching and testing, just so every living soul can have a fair opportunity to understand and choose.Now if anyone perishes in hell, that soul chose it of his own free choice.Revelation 22:2 "In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river was there the tree of life, which bare twelve omanner of fruit; and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations." "In" in the Greek text, "en" governs only the case (the dative) and denotes being and remaining within to give rest on a continuance. It has regards to a place and space as in Matthew 10:16, and a sphere of action in Romans 1:5, 8. It also denotes a continuance in time as in Matthew 2:1 and John 11:10.The "tree of life" is our Lord Jesus Christ, who we read about in Genesis 2:9. Well, how can that be? Remember in Revelation 21:6, he said, "... I am [always was] Alpha and Omega... ". Jesus existed prior to becoming a baby in the manger in Bethlehem. However, this "tree of life" is a certain tree, providing not only fruit for enjoyment, but its leaves give a divine provision for preserving and restoring health, specifically for the nations.Ezekiel 47:12 "And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all trees for meat, whose leaf shall not fade, neither shall the fruit thereof be consumed: it shall bring forth new fruit according to his months, because their waters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine." As we saw in Revelation 21:4, all former things are passed away, and there will be no sickness or sorrow.
 

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Judges 9:8-15 8 One day the trees went out to anoint a king for themselves.
Thanks for posting this story/these verses. I hadn't read it in so long. :study: I haven't thought about the topic like how the people wanted a king in a long time.
 

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No one has answered my Question!If the trees are symbolism, and they are really talking about people here, who are the other trees in the Garden?There are obviously other trees that God made there other than the tree of life and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Because it says that there where other trees that were good to eat!Tama, just out of curiosity are you from another country? Because some of the way that you express yourself leads me to think this.
 

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No one has answered my Question!If the trees are symbolism, and they are really talking about people here, who are the other trees in the Garden?
If I was a Mormon - I would think that other trees are little gods created by God and waiting to be born into this world and then die to be gods of far away plannets. But really - I'm not sure how we can link 'Trees are people' to this Garden of Eden topic. How can people Adam and Eve eat from the tree that is a person too? (jodycour;12007)
Tama, just out of curiosity are you from another country? Because some of the way that you express yourself leads me to think this.
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lol YES I AM. What exactly made you notice?
 

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Tama, just out of curiosity are you from another country? Because some of the way that you express yourself leads me to think this.
English is my second language, so my spelling and grammar will be peculiar. Please forgive my broken English!!
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So do you guys think that Satan was the only Angel in the garden? Where did the people of Nod come from or is it that God broke his own Law and Cain married his sister. How do you explain when there are no contrdictions in Gods word it is perfect. and God is not the author of confusion.