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Hidden In Him

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You know that @Hidden In Him always loves to make a memorable scene.


So you will reference me but not address me directly. I love this trick. What now, APAK? I'm "harassing" you if I respond to it because you preferred to talk about me with others rather than address me directly? What happened to my response to Post #75, which I have asked for three times now.
 

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Alright, then let's unpack it.

1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit, he taketh it away: and every [branch] that beareth fruit, he cleanseth it, that it may bear more fruit.
3 Already ye are clean because of the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; so neither can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same beareth much fruit: for apart from me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ask whatsoever ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; and so shall ye be my disciples.
9 Even as the Father hath loved me, I also have loved you: abide ye in my love.

This passage speaks of Christ as the Vine and His disciples the branches. These are two distinct and separate entities in this passage, meaning the two remain distinct in spiritual reality as well. Yes or no?

The vine and branches are metaphorical, yes, but you're skipping over the main point Jesus was making: We have to "abide" in Him, and His words have to "abide" in us. We abide in His love (and love is oneness).
 
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You know that @Hidden In Him always loves to make a memorable scene. And he flubbed it up again. He is currently making hay of something Robert never stated or believes in. He made it up again. He posted twice if you did not miss it the first time a definition of Monism according to him. All one-sided as usual to suit his own needs. He presented an outliner, one of a dozen or more definitions that just so happens to appeal to him because it reads OCCULTISM all over it.

The man has espoused Tarot reading, astral projection, doing astrology readings, and used the Pentagram as his original logo, and I am "reading OCCULTISM" into it when it isn't there...

Unbelievable.
 

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The vine and branches are metaphorical, yes, but you're skipping over the main point Jesus was making: We have to "abide" in Him, and His words have to "abide" in us. We abide in His love (and love is oneness).

Yes, Edward, but we abide in Him as the branches; we do not become the Vine.
 

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So you will reference me but not address me directly. I love this trick. What now, APAK? I'm "harassing" you if I respond to it because you preferred to talk about me with others rather than address me directly? What happened to my response to Post #75, which I have asked for three times now.
Are you actually worth it today? Think about it and try not to think too highly of yourself as you wield your plastic toy sword around. I'm guessing you are a really a scared man and runs from any confrontation that is justified against you. I will not go any further...
 

JohnPaul

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Look it up my friend . There are many seeker friendly churches .
Think rick warren and others . They basically entertain the flesh and wont feed bible doctrine
they entertain them right to hell fire and yet dont realize tis what they do .
Look up the term seeker friendly .
I see what you mean now my good brother.
 
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From a source I had that introduces Spinoza's view on monism.
Spinoza’s idea was that everything we know to exist is God or rather within God, and has appeared because there is no choice in the matter. There is no intent or purpose behind it, it’s just the nature of ‘God’ to be the universe. And so Nature, being God, just acts. He thought that what others call God is Nature acting because that is the inherent quality of Nature, with no personal aspect. The existence of the universe is not a manifestation of ‘God’s’ potency, but is the manifestation of ‘God’ and the two can’t be separated.
God is the Creator. The creation is not God.
God's creation (man/angels) fell. God is not fallen.

If the creation was God, then we could worship the creation. But Scripture speaks explicitly against this.

Romans 1:25
[25]Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
 

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Come on guys, do your job and ban @Edward Gordon from posting on here, because he is posting anti Christian messages and this is dangerous and you are not protecting the Christian members by allowing this to continue.

I know @amigo de christo will agree with me, because he has already said this and has tried to help this fella. But he isn’t listening.

Edward, you are on my prayer list.
 

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No good. Edward does not honor the epistles as the word of God.
We don't canonize them because we only canonize the life and teachings of Jesus Christ. That doesn't mean I don't respect their opinions.


"Being in" and "being" Christ are two separate positions. One is Biblically sound, the other is not.

If your spirit is "in" Christ's spirit, then you are Christ. That doesn't mean you're Jesus Christ. It means you are Christ.

Edward, let me ask you again then: On what verses/ passages in the gospels do you base the teaching that we are Christ?

I already posted a bunch of them up there in my reply to you.


I would most certainly consider the apostles as part of His body, and if Edward does not consider the New Testament epistles they wrote to be the word of God then it must mean he thinks they were operating outside of it, at least in this, while he himself operates within it.

I've read this three times now, and I still can't figure out what you're trying to say.

Did you die on the cross? Was your blood pure enough to cleanse the sins of the world?

What in this case makes it clear to you that you are Christ?

No. That was Jesus Christ.

Matthew 24:5 says this:

For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

That means you're not and you can't be.

That's a non sequitur. Jesus says there are deceivers who will come and say they are Christ. I'm not deceiving you, and here's how you know I'm not: I don't tell you I am Edward Christ, and you are not, therefore you should follow me. I tell you YOU should be Christ like I am and follow the Teacher, Jesus Christ.
 

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*leaving spectator mode*

I don’t think Edward should be banned. He’s in the right section of the forum which is for non-believers or believers of other things.

*back in spectator mode*
 
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@Hidden In Him ..oh to cheer you up the now infamous postt #75 you wont let die...

Yes here's an answer. I think your source on that post is by a trinitarian like you.

an except..

"....Christianity, on the other hand, is not monistic. Christianity teaches that an infinite-personal Triune God, who is Spirit.."

I do not believe in your pagan-occult conceived non-descrip Triune god or should I say your 3 gods who is your idol and your worship.

It is vey much a useful devise of Satan of your belief, not mine

Happy now?
 

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In fact, until pressed, your response was to come out in full favor of what he teaches

That's simply not true. I asked him why he doesn't follow Scripture regarding divination and so forth.

IMO, you and others are unnecessarily hostile to this new poster.

while telling me I have no idea what the gospel is.

I'm not sure what you are getting at here. Is he telling you that or are you saying that I am telling you that you have no idea what the gospel is?

It makes me ask you the same question I asked APAK, and this question is specific: Where do your sympathies lie?

Obviously, my sympathies do not lie with you and your gigantic, delicate ego. It surprises me how defensive you get. You really ought to change your avatar from a warrior image to a SJW snow flake, e.g.,

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Think about it and try not to think too highly of yourself as you wield your plastic toy sword around.

Is that it? I addressed the actual subject, and I get this stuff in return: "You think so highly of yourself as you wield your plastic sword." :rolleyes:
I'm guessing you are a really a scared man and runs from any confrontation that is justified against you. I will not go any further...

What?

If I'm so scared, what am I doing blowing the better part of a day once AGAIN having to counter this occult-promoting nonsense, while you're the one presently running. You just said so yourself, and without ever responding to the posts I asked you several times to respond to.

I told you before that I hold nothing against you, and still don't. But if you think I'm sitting idly by while this junk gets promoted, guess what: It is not happening. Make fun of me and insult me all you want to. It's not gonna happen until the Lord Jesus Christ finally tells me to move on from this place because He's giving it over to the enemy.
 
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Is this all you people have? Heaven's sakes...

Ok, I'm done for the day. Maybe I'll return to this madness tomorrow, maybe not. The truth is obvious to anyone with eyes here.

Don't take it to heart Hidden. You are well loved on here, and one of the most gentle and humble guys I know on here. Your answers are always seasoned with kindness.
 

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I can't judge them. I often do... but I shouldn't. I can't say if one is in Christ or not. That's not my place. But it doesn't matter, in this case, because Veridicans read the Bible. I quote the Bible all the time. We canonize the life and teachings of Jesus Christ because we follow ONLY Him. So as a church founded on the concept of following ONLY Jesus Christ, we can't canonize a letter written by a man who was a Christian. Otherwise, why not canonize Joel Osteen's latest book? We can take it under advisement, certainly. We can learn from it. I agree with just about everything Paul says--but that's not the point. At the end of the day, it's the Life and Teachings of our Teacher who is THE WAY and THE TRUTH and THE LIFE.
So have you judged the hearts of those who wrote the "Veridican gospel"?
 
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