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Not so. See the book of Ezekiel as well as many other prophetic books.

Let's take Jerusalem as an example.
Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously. (Isa 24:23) Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem a quiet habitation, a tabernacle that shall not be taken down; not one of the stakes thereof shall ever be removed, neither shall any of the cords thereof be broken. (Isa 33:20) Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean. (Isa 52:1)
Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the LORD hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem. (Isa 52:9)

Jerusalem and Israel will be redeemed and restored after the Second Coming of Christ, and a fourth temple will be built in Jerusalem. Whatever God says will surely come to pass.
Enoch, this is poetic and symbolic language describing the New Jerusalem, the New Zion where all the saints will live after the weeding out of the imposers in the Kingdom of God. Literal significance of the city of Jerusalem and Mt Zion is no more.
 

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Do you believe any of the three items below have been fulfilled, if yes when?

1. Matthew 24:15 Daniel's Abomination?
2. Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation?
3. Matthew 24:29-31 The Second Coming?
1. yes 2. yes 3. yes and no (it depends on if you think there was an initial 'gathering' and then later in the future a final 'gathering' as well.) and therefore I will say at this point yes, during the time of 70 AD and no - reserved for a future finale of one that you might not agree with.
 

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...Enoch, this is poetic and symbolic language describing the New Jerusalem...
No that is not poetic and that is not about the New Jerusalem either. Nothing symbolic there. We need to take Scripture as literally as possible, otherwise it becomes meaningless. I could give you a couple of dozen verses more but they would fall on deaf ears.
 

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Hi APAK, I have thoroughly read your post, and I do understand your historical focus.
I also tend to lean towards the historical view, but not as severe as you.
You have done a superb job in outlining the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70AD, but as to anything past that is concerning symbolism for locusts, I perceive that it is a bit fabricated, and has the appearance of force fitting minor Roman events to make it work.
If there be anything of an aftermath of 70AD, Daniel 9:26 called it: "....and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Because Revelation is highly symbolic, it can draw much speculation and conjecture from all readers, including myself. However, just because so many have speculated etc., that is not to say that the Lord Himself doesn't reveal His truth about it. He surely does know that there is much competition clamoring to be heard.

Because of Isaiah 55:8-9, I have understood that God speaks in the past, the present and the future, all at the same time.

In Revelation, we have Jesus speaking to us through John, from His Heavenly realm of eternity. Though he speaks in the language of John's day, 2000+ years later, we find that we are not too far removed from it. But, it's not our language that is the problem, it's our limited human understanding, trying to ascend to His divine understanding. Hence the need for the indwelling presence of His Holy Spirit.
Without Him, no prophecy of His shall be understood, unless He Himself reveals it to us.
John.8[23] And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world
John.3[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

So then, as for our self will, and all the religious persuasion that can be had, it shall always be by only one process, by which we might know anything from His eternity, and that is "by my spirit".
Zech.4[6] Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying,
Not by might [self will], nor by power [religious persuasion], but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

But, from all of that, we still have a problem. His knowledge is in His control and not ours. Therefore all the prying, contriving and studying on our part, doesn't cause Him to impart any of His knowledge to us in the least bit, until we abide by His instruction.
of Prov.3[5] Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

So my point is, in Revelation 9, there are two prophecies.
1. Revelation 9:1-11
2. Revelation 9:12-21
Of the first prophecy, you have attempted to reveal that it is all fulfilled in the past, and nothing of it shall be future. However, the second prophecy is still in the future, which shows my understanding, that the Lord speaks in the present, past and future, all at the same time.
But then again, the first prophecy of the two in Revelation 9 could also be in the present, as in RIGHT NOW, IN THIS VERY MOMENT. Could you hazard a guess of what it might be?
And if the first IS what you have guessed or surmised, then the second prophecy shall be manifested right behind it, for surely THAT has NOT yet come to pass!
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Ok EB I meditated and prayed a bit about it and yes I do see you view, and it is very plausible. With a catch, always a catch it seems!
I see in Matthew 24 the 70 AD mini-gathering of saints into the new Kingdom that was established at that time, and there will be another grander gathering in our future. I think Rev 9 operates the same way. In other words what I have for Rev 9 is ok although not complete. Verses 12-21 is a set of verses that serve dual purposes, the second purpose to occur on a much grander scale in our future.....This is my first relook at my feedback to you.

And I gave my life to Christ a year before you did, in 1974. Who is counting the difference in time anyway, only that we both made the grade to salvation...Amen I was basically Spirit/self taught EB, no different that you, except I knew of Christ and the Father from an 'arms length' being once in RCC environment.

Bless you...APAK
 
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APAK said:
No more physical Temples, for the presence of God, and no more physical Jerusalem as the city of God.
ENOCH 111 replied:
Not so. See the book of Ezekiel as well as many other prophetic books.
Let's take Jerusalem as an example.
Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously. (Isa 24:23) Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem a quiet habitation, a tabernacle that shall not be taken down; not one of the stakes thereof shall ever be removed, neither shall any of the cords thereof be broken. (Isa 33:20) Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean. (Isa 52:1)
Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the LORD hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem. (Isa 52:9)

EARBURNER'S response to both:
> APAC has spoken truth.
> Enoch 111 is only seeing the "Jerusalem which now is", as described in all of KJV Galatians 4[24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
[25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
> From KJV Galatians 4, of which Jerusalem is God referring to?

> As concerning the prophecies that "Enoch 111" quoted, how does one separate the two Jerusalem's from each other, to then know which Jerusalem is the inheritor of all the promises of the Lord, as shown in the quotes from "Enoch 111"
> Ans. First we must come to terms with how the following in Isaiah is manifested:
Isaiah 24:23
"Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously."
> And then compare it with Zechariah
14[6] And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
[7] But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
> What strange light in Zechariah 14 is it, that is being described, which therefore helps explains Isaiah 24?
> I shall not point it for you, but rather that the Lord may reveal it to you.
Ans.
John.8[12] Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John.9[5] As long as I am IN the world, I am the light of the world.

> And so, I ask: how is/was the moon confounded, and the sun ashamed?
When was that day, whereby it was not day, nor night: but.....at evening time it shall be light?

> And finally, WHEN did all of the above already take place?

> In Zechariah 14, one will find similar explanations about Isaiah 24:23, 33:20, 52:1, 52:9.
 
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Amen, Brother A
Ok EB I meditated and prayed a bit about it and yes I do see you view, and it is very plausible. With a catch, always a catch it seems!
I see in Matthew 24 the 70 AD mini-gathering of saints into the new Kingdom that was established at that time, and there will be another grander gathering in our future. I think Rev 9 operates the same way. In other words what I have for Rev 9 is ok although not complete. Verses 12-21 is a set of verses that serve dual purposes, the second purpose to occur on a much grander scale in our future.....This is my first relook at my feedback to you.

And I gave my life to Christ a year before you did, in 1974. Who is counting the difference in time anyway, only that we both made the grade to salvation...Amen I was basically Spirit/self taught EB, no different that you, except I knew of Christ and the Father from an 'arms length' being once in RCC environment.

Bless you...APAK
Amen brother APAK!! Thanks for your testimony. Though you have no doubtedly condensed it, as with me, curtailing the little details of it all, is just as important.

As for the two visions of Revelation 9, in my previous post, my attempt was to help you to look into HOW it is that the symbolic locusts "sting", when there is no locust in reality that have stingers.
Therefore, to be more direct to our present time, HOW is it that people, on a global scale, are being "stung". And also anything that stings, there is usually an injection of venom/poison.

Does anything, that you know of right now, ring a bell? Before it comes to you, please sit down.
 

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Hi APAK, I have thoroughly read your post, and I do understand your historical focus.
I also tend to lean towards the historical view, but not as severe as you.
You have done a superb job in outlining the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70AD, but as to anything past that is concerning symbolism for locusts, I perceive that it is a bit fabricated, and has the appearance of force fitting minor Roman events to make it work.
If there be anything of an aftermath of 70AD, Daniel 9:26 called it: "....and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Because Revelation is highly symbolic, it can draw much speculation and conjecture from all readers, including myself. However, just because so many have speculated etc., that is not to say that the Lord Himself doesn't reveal His truth about it. He surely does know that there is much competition clamoring to be heard.

Because of Isaiah 55:8-9, I have understood that God speaks in the past, the present and the future, all at the same time.

In Revelation, we have Jesus speaking to us through John, from His Heavenly realm of eternity. Though he speaks in the language of John's day, 2000+ years later, we find that we are not too far removed from it. But, it's not our language that is the problem, it's our limited human understanding, trying to ascend to His divine understanding. Hence the need for the indwelling presence of His Holy Spirit.
Without Him, no prophecy of His shall be understood, unless He Himself reveals it to us.
John.8[23] And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world
John.3[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

So then, as for our self will, and all the religious persuasion that can be had, it shall always be by only one process, by which we might know anything from His eternity, and that is "by my spirit".
Zech.4[6] Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying,
Not by might [self will], nor by power [religious persuasion], but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.

But, from all of that, we still have a problem. His knowledge is in His control and not ours. Therefore all the prying, contriving and studying on our part, doesn't cause Him to impart any of His knowledge to us in the least bit, until we abide by His instruction.
of Prov.3[5] Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.

So my point is, in Revelation 9, there are two prophecies.
1. Revelation 9:1-11
2. Revelation 9:12-21
Of the first prophecy, you have attempted to reveal that it is all fulfilled in the past, and nothing of it shall be future. However, the second prophecy is still in the future, which shows my understanding, that the Lord speaks in the present, past and future, all at the same time.
But then again, the first prophecy of the two in Revelation 9 could also be in the present, as in RIGHT NOW, IN THIS VERY MOMENT. Could you hazard a guess of what it might be?
And if the first IS what you have guessed or surmised, then the second prophecy shall be manifested right behind it, for surely THAT has NOT yet come to pass!
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Daniel's (Little Horn)

This "Future" figure will be present on earth to see the (Second Coming) of Jesus Christ and final judgement, as this figure will be slain by Jesus Christ and cast into the lake of fire (Future) unfulfilled

"Future" (Second Coming, Final Judgement) Below

Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.


This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
 

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1. yes 2. yes 3. yes and no (it depends on if you think there was an initial 'gathering' and then later in the future a final 'gathering' as well.) and therefore I will say at this point yes, during the time of 70 AD and no - reserved for a future finale of one that you might not agree with.
Please explain how the items below have been filfilled and when?

1. Matthew 24:15 Daniel's Abomination?
2. Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation?
3. Matthew 24:29-31 The Second Coming?
 

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Please explain how the items below have been filfilled and when?

1. Matthew 24:15 Daniel's Abomination?
2. Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation?
3. Matthew 24:29-31 The Second Coming?
Truth...another thread in itself...I would do this but it will take to long. Just giving a sentence or two to each will only call for many more 'endless' questions as you might have already seen on these types of threads.

I tell you what, it is not Rev 9 per se, and because I like share, let me gen up a type of commentary for each, or combined.

I will get back with you.....thanks for the inquiry
 

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Truth...another thread in itself...I would do this but it will take to long. Just giving a sentence or two to each will only call for many more 'endless' questions as you might have already seen on these types of threads.

I tell you what, it is not Rev 9 per se, and because I like share, let me gen up a type of commentary for each, or combined.

I will get back with you.....thanks for the inquiry
Are you Preterist in 70AD fulfillment?
 

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2 Timothy 2:16-17 KJV
[16] But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness. [17] And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
Joel 1:4 KJV
[4] That which the palmerworm hath left hath the locust eaten; and that which the locust hath left hath the cankerworm eaten; and that which the cankerworm hath left hath the caterpiller eaten.
 

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Are you Preterist in 70AD fulfillment?
70 AD fulfillment of what is the question? I do not like labels or being categorized as a specific school of thought. The degrees of Preterism and their teachings are just fine with me as long as they agree with what I find in scripture is the same.

If you said that according to scripture,
1. The Temple was destroyed by Rome and the power of the holy people shattered by 70 AD then I would agree.
2. Christ is King of all Kings by 70 AD, then I would agree.
3. The beginning of the restoration of Israel began at the beginning of Christ's ministry (about 27 AD or at the 62 weeks of weeks point) and was temporarily 'cut off' or broken (after the 62 weeks of weeks, 3 1/2 years after, not at the exact end of the 62 weeks of weeks - about 30-31 AD) for about 37-38 years gap of a type of 2nd exodus, and it resumed again to it consummation and completion from about 67 AD to 70 AD, then I would agree. And this would also be considered the Messiah (not any anti-Christ person of the future) making a 1 week of weeks or 7 year covenant with many people to restore Israel.
 
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70 AD fulfillment of what is the question? I do not like labels or being categorized as a specific school of thought. The degrees of Preterism and their teachings are just fine with me as long as they agree with what I find in scripture is the same.

If you said that according to scripture,
1. The Temple was destroyed by Rome and the power of the holy people shattered by 70 AD then I would agree.
2. Christ is King of all Kings by 70 AD, then I would agree.
3. The beginning of the restoration of Israel began at the beginning of Christ's ministry (about 27 AD or at the 62 weeks of weeks point) and was temporarily 'cut off' or broken (after the 62 weeks of weeks, 3 1/2 years after, not at the exact end of the 62 weeks of weeks - about 30-31 AD) for about 37-38 years gap of a type of 2nd exodus, and it resumed again to it consummation and completion from about 67 AD to 70 AD, then I would agree. And this would also be considered the Messiah (not any anti-Christ person of the future) making a 1 week of weeks or 7 year covenant with many people to restore Israel.
Your a full blown Preterist, dont hide the fact!

Pre-terism In biblical eschatology is as valid as aesops fables

The three events seen below are "Future" and they didnt take place in 70AD

1. Matthew 24:15 Daniel's Abomination?
2. Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation?
3. Matthew 24:29-31 The Second Coming?
 

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APAK said:
No more physical Temples, for the presence of God, and no more physical Jerusalem as the city of God.
ENOCH 111 replied:
Not so. See the book of Ezekiel as well as many other prophetic books.
Let's take Jerusalem as an example.
Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously. (Isa 24:23) Look upon Zion, the city of our solemnities: thine eyes shall see Jerusalem a quiet habitation, a tabernacle that shall not be taken down; not one of the stakes thereof shall ever be removed, neither shall any of the cords thereof be broken. (Isa 33:20) Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean. (Isa 52:1)
Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the LORD hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem. (Isa 52:9)

EARBURNER'S response to both:
> APAC has spoken truth.
> Enoch 111 is only seeing the "Jerusalem which now is", as described in all of KJV Galatians 4[24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
[25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
> From KJV Galatians 4, of which Jerusalem is God referring to?

> As concerning the prophecies that "Enoch 111" quoted, how does one separate the two Jerusalem's from each other, to then know which Jerusalem is the inheritor of all the promises of the Lord, as shown in the quotes from "Enoch 111"
> Ans. First we must come to terms with how the following in Isaiah is manifested:
Isaiah 24:23
"Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients gloriously."
> And then compare it with Zechariah
14[6] And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
[7] But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
> What strange light in Zechariah 14 is it, that is being described, which therefore helps explains Isaiah 24?
> I shall not point it for you, but rather that the Lord may reveal it to you.
Ans.
John.8[12] Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.

John.9[5] As long as I am IN the world, I am the light of the world.

> And so, I ask: how is/was the moon confounded, and the sun ashamed?
When was that day, whereby it was not day, nor night: but.....at evening time it shall be light?

> And finally, WHEN did all of the above already take place?

> In Zechariah 14, one will find similar explanations about Isaiah 24:23, 33:20, 52:1, 52:9.
You posted a whole bunch of verses, what's your claim and point, confusion?
 

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Your a full blown Preterist, dont hide the fact!

Pre-terism In biblical eschatology is as valid as aesops fables

The three events seen below are "Future" and they didnt take place in 70AD

1. Matthew 24:15 Daniel's Abomination?
2. Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation?
3. Matthew 24:29-31 The Second Coming?
1. Already happened- see Jesus in KJV-Daniel 9:27 and Mark 13:14.
2. Will happen- but no secret rapture. See item #3 below.
3. Will happen- suddenly,a simultaneous event of both redemption and total destruction. See Luke 17:29
 
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Your a full blown Preterist, dont hide the fact!

Pre-terism In biblical eschatology is as valid as aesops fables

The three events seen below are "Future" and they didnt take place in 70AD

1. Matthew 24:15 Daniel's Abomination?
2. Matthew 24:21 The Great Tribulation?
3. Matthew 24:29-31 The Second Coming?
I enjoy your reaction Truth, not in a sarcastic way, in an expected way and amusing way.

There will be a 'grand gathering' a soul reaping and harvest for sure into the New Jerusalem for some, and for many, eternal 'separation' from the Lamb and the Ancient of Days. This event will not be a human conceptualized or visualization of some grand and glorious day on earth, filled with lots of seats like bleachers with pop corn, and snacks, for all to see the main attraction on the big screen or TV, or in the sky either. Lightning arrives and leaves very fast!

You can label me as you wish even though I do not fit into a particular brand or school of eschatological thought, believe me.
Then I must have been to some degree a Preterist before I was shown the word. Funny how that is in life and how folks react to you when you WILL not conform to their ways and what they really want you to become. A form of insecurity I might say. It's not up to you I'm afraid to say what I am or not. Use the label for you and your mind, not mine.

Me, being 'Full Blown,' as if everything happened by 70 AD, hardly! Now you being overblown in thought, and emotional, most definitely.

I read scripture and pray on it many times. God would not have supplied incomplete information to Daniel via a messenger to get the reader to create an extra week or 7 years far flung in the future. And for this subject, the entire 490 years was completed by 70 AD.

I do not do creative scripture interpretations where ever possible, as many folks thrive on it in eschatological studies and in Christological studies etc...

Have a good day and great new year!
 
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Hello APAK,

I assume then that you are a preterist? Am I using the term correctly?
This is a label I do not associate with or carry, although some of its meaning and doctrines do fit in to some of mine. As there are many types of wood in the forest, there are also many subtypes of the each of these species. BL: One size does not fit all.

And welcome.....to share your thoughts here...In Christ always...
 
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I read scripture and pray on it many times. God would not have supplied incomplete information to Daniel via a messenger to get the reader to create an extra week or 7 years far flung in the future. And for this subject, the entire 490 years was completed by 70 AD.
Amen!
 
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I'm still trying to come to terms with what I am. Like you, there are things about my interpretation of the end times that are, for instance, dispensationalist, but then I am also a premillennialist and believe in a post tribulation rapture. I'm a futurist/idealist.

I guess my problem with the preterist position is that it seems to nullify the book of Revelation for the most part. It finishes with a lot of predictions that are occurring today and will in the near future. But I suppose that's why there are the different schools of eschatological theology--we can't seem to agree.
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Well said....

I've said to other people before, I did get caught up in the late 70s and 80s into the 'left behind' theories and the 'future one man' that opposes God..etc. I saw too many assumptions in it all, it was not right, and I decided to go back to some serious reading of scripture on it all, for myself, as I prayed.

If I were to label myself in all this study, I would be a type of a-millennialist. I do not see a 'reborn' physical new literal 1000 year earth and the skies etc in the cards so to speak. It will all be changed suddenly, with the final judgement and separation of souls and then heaven and its invisibility, even within us, and sometimes sensed of these dimension(s), suddenly supplanting this 3D-Time dimension world and universe, period. The only warning we will get is like the localized version and type of sequence of events that occurred in the generation of Christ on earth and during Noah's time.

The sudden uptick of these evil and wicked trends around the world are upon us for sure. It is only accelerating....What Christ described to his people of the end times in Matthew and Luke, for his generation, that ended in 70 AD, will be similarly duplicated, on a much grander scale and in a different context and circumstances, as the final test and judgement. The Jews in the 1st century ran their clock out, per Christ's and Daniels and others' predictions, and were then under the fire, and only a few escaped it, usually under martyrdom and innocent death. That 4th Roman Beast is dead today. Today ALL, all people are going under the same fire and judgement and this clock is still ticking for a little while. We have not seen anything yet!