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I saw this short little documentary recently about two women who raised up a fig tree from Jesus time. I'll link it down below.

I always grew up hearing about the fig tree being a prophecy, but when I looked it up I didn't see that.

Look at the fig tree, and all the trees.30 When they are sprouting leaves already, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So in like manner, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 “Truly, I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things are fulfilled.” Luke 21:29-32

I'm still thinking about it but it sounds like an example.

The message being you can see things happening that are signs of the Kingdom of God being near, like when you know summer is coming soon, because of the signs on the tree- not that the fig tree itself symbolizes anything.

The similar example of signs given in nature also shows up in Matthew 16:3

And in the morning, if the sky is dark and red, you say that it will be a rainy day. These are signs of the weather. You see these signs in the sky and know what they mean. In the same way, you see the things that are happening now. These are also signs, but you don’t know their meaning.


I think if you can understand the way a speaker communicates, and patterns of speech, you would understand what he is saying.

BUT WHAT SIGNS..?

Not the tree. All of the signs from Luke 21:7 and onward that he was describing after the disciples asked " Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?"

Verse 29-32 comes after.



 
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Fluffy,

The fig tree is code for Israel in the Old Testament. From the time that the fig tree and for that matter many of the deciduous trees, the bud leaves in the late Winter days and as stated in Matthew, the Summer Harvest Season will be upon us. If 1948 was the year that the fig tree budded new leaves after being withered for close on 2,000 years, then the sign given is the duration in days between when the Fig Tree buds and the Everlasting Kingdom, spoken about in Daniel 2, is established and the Summer season of harvest begins, first with the redemption of Israel as Christ's first Fruits of the final age.

As the spring season separates the end of Winter and the beginning of Summer, we have a time period of 91 + days, depending on the number of days that Spring is early with the budding of the leaves of the trees. If we consider that a day in a prophetic passage is equivalent to a year then 91 + years will pass until the beginning of the Last Age when God intends to establish His everlasting Kingdom during the time of those king that make up the last segment of the Daniel 2 Statue prophecy. The other event that is to occur at the same time is the foundational Rock that come down out of heaven that Declares that Jesus is the Son of God, and that all peoples should worship Him.

There is much to find and understand about this time of Spring between when the Fig Tree buds and the last Age for mankind begins.

May God open your eyes to enable you to see what has already been recorded in His Prophetic scriptures. May you be able to join the facts together such that you can make sense of what is recorded in the prophetic scriptures and the unfolding history of mankind. All that I ask is that you be careful in linking the recorded history of man with what we find in the scripture so that you are not lead astray into false tales of conjecture oof mere men with no understanding at all.

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Fluffy,

The fig tree is code for Israel in the Old Testament. From the time that the fig tree and for that matter many of the deciduous trees, the bud leaves in the late Winter days and as stated in Matthew, the Summer Harvest Season will be upon us. If 1948 was the year that the fig tree budded new leaves after being withered for close on 2,000 years, then the sign given is the duration in days between when the Fig Tree buds and the Everlasting Kingdom, spoken about in Daniel 2, is established and the Summer season of harvest begins, first with the redemption of Israel as Christ's first Fruits of the final age.

As the spring season separates the end of Winter and the beginning of Summer, we have a time period of 91 + days, depending on the number of days that Spring is early with the budding of the leaves of the trees. If we consider that a day in a prophetic passage is equivalent to a year then 91 + years will pass until the beginning of the Last Age when God intends to establish His everlasting Kingdom during the time of those king that make up the last segment of the Daniel 2 Statue prophecy. The other event that is to occur at the same time is the foundational Rock that come down out of heaven that Declares that Jesus is the Son of God, and that all peoples should worship Him.

There is much to find and understand about this time of Spring between when the Fig Tree buds and the last Age for mankind begins.

May God open your eyes to enable you to see what has already been recorded in His Prophetic scriptures. May you be able to join the facts together such that you can make sense of what is recorded in the prophetic scriptures and the unfolding history of mankind. All that I ask is that you be careful in linking the recorded history of man with what we find in the scripture so that you are not lead astray into false tales of conjecture oof mere men with no understanding at all.

Shalom

I am looking in Daniel 2 but I haven't seen what you're referring to. if you let me know the verses, I'll take a look.

I understand the dates and modern interpetation of prophecy, but I am only looking at what Jesus was saying in this passage.

Why wouldn't Jesus be clear about what he was saying?


He seems just as clear with that as an example as the red sky.

Bigger question:

Is the red sky code, too? What was he doing with that?
 
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I am looking in Daniel 2 but I haven't seen what you're referring to. if you let me know the verses, I'll take a look.

I understand the dates and modern interpetation of prophecy, but I am only looking at what Jesus was saying in this passage.

Why wouldn't Jesus be clear about what he was saying?


He seems just as clear with that as an example as the red sky.

Bigger question:

Is the red sky code, too? What was he doing with that?
@FluffyYellowDuck Part of the background is that Jews would often look for signs and symbolism; whereas believers in the Gospel from a Gentile background might not necessarily do so to the same extent...
 
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I saw this short little documentary recently about two women who raised up a fig tree from Jesus time. I'll link it down below.

I always grew up hearing about the fig tree being a prophecy, but when I looked it up I didn't see that.

Look at the fig tree, and all the trees.30 When they are sprouting leaves already, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So in like manner, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 “Truly, I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things are fulfilled.” Luke 21:29-32

I'm still thinking about it but it sounds like an example.

The message being you can see things happening that are signs of the Kingdom of God being near, like when you know summer is coming soon, because of the signs on the tree- not that the fig tree itself symbolizes anything.

The similar example of signs given in nature also shows up in Matthew 16:3

And in the morning, if the sky is dark and red, you say that it will be a rainy day. These are signs of the weather. You see these signs in the sky and know what they mean. In the same way, you see the things that are happening now. These are also signs, but you don’t know their meaning.


I think if you can understand the way a speaker communicates, and patterns of speech, you would understand what he is saying.

BUT WHAT SIGNS..?

There are some good comments on this post I did sometime back on the same thing.

Is this a prophetic fulfillment? Fig tree prophecy | Christian Forums @ Christianity Board
 
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@FluffyYellowDuck Part of the background is that Jews would often look for signs and symbolism; whereas believers in the Gospel from a Gentile background might not necessarily do so to the same extent...
I think the verse in Luke is pretty clear on its own, and if the date is not exact while it is closing in on them (some people don't believe we have more than 5 years), what the real danger is Christians losing faith if it doesn't come to pass at their expected time.

But scripturally, Jesus was clear and gave real life understandable examples of what the world would be like.
 

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I think the verse in Luke is pretty clear on its own, and if the date is not exact while it is closing in on them (some people don't believe we have more than 5 years), what the real danger is Christians losing faith if it doesn't come to pass at their expected time.

But scripturally, Jesus was clear and gave real life understandable examples of what the world would be like.
@FluffyYellowDuck In the Gospels the Lord Jesus is also sometimes talking about those of Israel and tribulation saints, rather than about the church today.
 
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There are some good comments on this post I did sometime back on the same thing.

Is this a prophetic fulfillment? Fig tree prophecy | Christian Forums @ Christianity Board
Thanks @David H. !

I think it's pretty cool but I don't think it is prophetic. I think the tree is symbolic for how we know things.

From verses Luke 21:7-28 Jesus gives clear signs.

In 29, he gives a clear understanding of how we even recognize signs in nature using the fig tree as an example of how we know summer is near.

He does a similar thing in Matthew 16:3 as a reverse example of how they knew signs in nature, by the red sky, but they weren't picking up on signs for the times.
 

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I saw this short little documentary recently about two women who raised up a fig tree from Jesus time. I'll link it down below.

I always grew up hearing about the fig tree being a prophecy, but when I looked it up I didn't see that.

…Look at the fig tree, and all the trees.30 When they are sprouting leaves already, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So in like manner, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 “Truly, I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things are fulfilled.” Luke 21:29-32

I'm still thinking about it but it sounds like an example.

The message being you can see things happening that are signs of the Kingdom of God being near, like when you know summer is coming soon, because of the signs on the tree- not that the fig tree itself symbolizes anything.

The similar example of signs given in nature also shows up in Matthew 16:3

And in the morning, if the sky is dark and red, you say that it will be a rainy day. These are signs of the weather. You see these signs in the sky and know what they mean. In the same way, you see the things that are happening now. These are also signs, but you don’t know their meaning.


I think if you can understand the way a speaker communicates, and patterns of speech, you would understand what he is saying.

BUT WHAT SIGNS..?

Not the tree. All of the signs from Luke 21:7 and onward that he was describing after the disciples asked " Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?"

Verse 29-32 comes after.

That's a nice deceptive skip... of the other two Scripture examples of Jesus COMMANDING His servants to learn the parable of the fig tree...

Matt 24:32-37
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
KJV

Jesus made it very plain that parable of the fig tree is a marker for when ALL those Signs He gave begin, for the LAST generation on earth, the generation living that will see His return.



Mark 13:28-37
28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but My words shall not pass away.
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, 'Watch.'
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That's a nice deceptive skip... of the other two Scripture examples of Jesus COMMANDING His servants to learn the parable of the fig tree...

Matt 24:32-37
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only.
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
KJV

Jesus made it very plain that parable of the fig tree is a marker for when ALL those Signs He gave begin, for the LAST generation on earth, the generation living that will see His return.



Mark 13:28-37
28 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
31 Heaven and earth shall pass away: but My words shall not pass away.
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
33 Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is.
34 For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch.
35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning:
36 Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping.
37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, 'Watch.'
KJV
Ok this is helpful thanks
 

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@FluffyYellowDuck

The Hebrew scholars have over time modified the meaning of H:1755 from being an "Age" and have changed the meaning of this Hebrew root word to have the meaning of "descendant generation" simply because they could not comprehend the time span of the "age" that was being referred to in the Hebrew texts. They also modified the meanings of many other Hebrew root words such that it modified the meaning from a discrete time period where the end point of that time period was beyond their ability to comprehend.

These changes have also flowed into the Christian Scholar's thinking, such that the bias of the present day translations contextually does not aline with the original context when the scriptural passages were first written.

The one verse sign parable of the fig tree, tells us when the last Age for mankind will begin. However, the use of the English word "generation" for the Greek word "genea" instead of the word "age" provides the wrong context of the time period that is to follow the sign of the beginning of the season of the great harvest of souls for Christ. Since 1,000 + years is beyond our ability to comprehend, let alone 70 or so years associated with the usual length of a person's life, the accepted understanding of Matthew 24:33 now confuses what the original context of the Lessons to be learned from the Fig tree as the time period in question is not definitive in that the start and end of prescribed time period in verse 31 is very dependent on the weather as to when they both occur. We "humans" do not like varible like that becaus ewe want an ordered life where we know what is to happen when.

Our relationship with people ebbs and flows such that the length of the relationship is always in flux and is not fixed.

The same is also true of our relationship with God. We want definitive answers which give us fixed pegs on which we can hang our hats, so to speak. Why is it that we require certainty of the timeline to which God is operating on, when we are the flux that decides when the start and finish is for many period of time within our own lives.

The most important question that any person should contemplate is, "How is their relationship with the God that they are worshipping right at this very moment." Will their relationship with the God that they worship stand up to the stresses of every day living.

The state of our relationship with God is more important than knowing when God will act, because when God acts is very different for every person. We just have to be ready when He does in that our relationship with Him is bullet proof so to speak..

Shalom
 

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The fig tree is code for Israel in the Old Testament
The fig tree is code for the Jews. The House of Judah. Jeremiah 24:5-7
The vine is code for the House of Israel, who are now all the Christian peoples. Isaiah 5:7
The one verse sign parable of the fig tree, tells us when the last Age for mankind will begin. However, the use of the English word "generation" for the Greek word "genea" instead of the word "age" provides the wrong context of the time period that is to follow the sign of the beginning of the season of the great harvest of souls for Christ.
This is quite right. The establishment of the Jewish State of Israel, fulfilled Jesus' prophecy in Matthew 24:32-34, and indicates the commencement of the end times. The last of the people born on or before May 1948, will not have died before Jesus Returns.
In the Gospels the Lord Jesus is also sometimes talking about those of Israel and tribulation saints, rather than about the church today.
If Jesus talked to the Jews, He indicted them. His disciples were all Jewish, but today only a very small fraction are Christians.
ALL the rest of His teachings were to His people, Christians; the true Israelites of God. From every tribe, race, nation and language. Rev 5:9
 
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Not trying to be mean, just trying to help the brethren wake up.
I don't think you are mean. i am more of a sister than a brother, but I woke up this morning to a flood so i didn't have a lot of time.

I still see a parable. I see this as kind of searching for answers and trying to make sense, but only saying one parable is a prophecy.

I know when the season is near because of the leaves on the tree.

I know it will rain by the clouds in the sky.

I know the time of Christ is near, because Luke 21:8-30 but it will not happen until it is complete.(v. 32)

do we look for secret codes in every parable Jesus spoke, or do we look for the truth in His words?


I am open to changing my mind, but so far I have only been told what everyone says will happen.

Nobody has given me a direct verse that says this directly, without it being a mystery puzzle.
 
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This is quite right. The establishment of the Jewish State of Israel, fulfilled Jesus' prophecy in Matthew 24:32-34, and indicates the commencement of the end times. The last of the people born on or before May 1948, will not have died before Jesus Returns.

Oh Keraz, you love your false understanding of scripture. Verse 31 provided the time that Israel would be redeemed when the Kings of the earth will be judged for what they had done to the collective Israel during the time that all of Israel was and still is scattered throughout the whole earth.

Your Jer. 24:5-7 reference is only speaking of the fruit of the fig tree and the fact that Judah had no good fruit within its borders at the time just before Babylon came and exiled the Southern Kingdom of Israel, Judah, in Babylon for 70 years. In Jesus' words recorded in Matthew 24, he was speaking of a future time when the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers would end upon their children and their children's children. When God gathers all of Israel to himself, it is all of the House of Jacob and not just one son of Jacob as you are suggesting. Over the years of interacting I have noticed that your anti-Semitic tendance shine in all that you write because of your twisted understanding that the "Christians" will all be gathered in the Land of Canaan during the end of Days of the last age.

What God has said through His prophets is that God will gather all of Israel to Himself and that He will plant them in the fertile field of Israel and teach them on the religion of Israel so that they can become a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possession among the nations. Your fixations on being gathered as a righteous soul to the land of Canaan during the end times just before Christ comes down to the earth to rule the earth from the face of the earth in the near future is not justified from Scripture as you present it.

It is my understanding that the end of this present age will be in around 22 years time from now, and the likelihood of me actually witnessing the end of this present age is very slim indeed as my time limit for this earth will have, in all probability, ended by then as I suspect will yours also.

Your comments were focused on issues that I have suggested in the big picture are unimportant and that rather we should be focusing all of our energies on ensuring that our relationship with Christ and God is on a firm footing where the winds of change and oppression will not be able to change our heart away from God's promises as we firmly embrace God in response to His calling of us to Himself.

Whether my understanding is out by one, two, three or four years will not cause my resolve to be in a right relationship with God to falter as I press into His calling on my life. How do I bless the people around me such that they see God's spirit within me.

Shalom
 

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Over the years of interacting I have noticed that your anti-Semitic tendance shine in all that you write because of your twisted understanding that the "Christians" will all be gathered in the Land of Canaan during the end of Days of the last age.
I object to being called anti-Semitic.
I am against all who reject Jesus. It so happens that the Jewish State is the worst and they have laws against Christianity. Many prophesies tell of their forthcoming Judgment and punishment. Zephaniah 1:14-18

The destiny of the Christian peoples, is well prophesied. WE are the inheritors of the holy Land. Galatians 3:29, Ephesians 3:6, Psalms 37:29