What is the fig tree?

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I object to being called anti-Semitic.
I am against all who reject Jesus. It so happens that the Jewish State is the worst and they have laws against Christianity. Many prophesies tell of their forthcoming Judgment and punishment. Zephaniah 1:14-18

The destiny of the Christian peoples, is well prophesied. WE are the inheritors of the holy Land. Galatians 3:29, Ephesians 3:6, Psalms 37:29
I read a story last night called "Jewish Girl" by Hans Christian Anderson.

I didn't realize that they rejected the "Christian baptism."

Very interesting Biblical/historical perspective. I recommend it, if you ever feel up to it.

I cried.
 
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But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of stress. For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, inhuman, implacable, slanderers, profligates, fierce, fierce, haters of Good, treacherous, reckless. swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather the lovers of God, holding the form of religion but denying the Power of it.

This is a prophesy from the second Book of Timothy. It is The Holy Spirit that brings all things together in The Word of God. When I look at the fig tree this is in part what I see. Read carefully, and slowly the words written above, and if you can truly say in your heart that this things have come to pass, then we know the time is near.
 

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@Jay Ross am I correct in understanding that you are saying we only have 91+ days left on earth? just confirming

No, what i am saying is that the length of the Spring season is around 91 days long, i.e. 365/4= 91.25 days. The we have the early spring budding of the leaves before the end of the winter season plus the possible late start to the summer season, may add two or three or four or five or six day to the time period between when the fig tree buds new leaves at the end of the Winter season and the beginning of the summer season may be delayed by the weather temperature so that more days may be added to the number of days between when the fig tree leaves bud and the beginning of the summer harvest season starts. Now applying the year for a day rule to prophetic prophecies that have been expressed in days, so that from the time that the fig tree budded in 1948, until the beginning of when the last age/summer harvest season age begins is around possible 96 years. So sometime around the year 2044 give or take a year or two either side, will be the year in which the Last Age will begin.

Then from the time that the last age begins, until the time that Satan, the beasts and the Locusts are released from the Bottomless pit a further 1,000 years will pass. After the Bottomless pit is unlocked and Satan, the beasts and the locusts are able to rise up out of the bottomless pit. a little while period will then pass before the final judgement time in the Great White Throne Room will begin. The time of the judgement of the nations is still in our distant future. That was why I was suggesting that it is far better for us to focus on our relationship with Christ/God at this time and to become active in God's calling on our lives. There are too many warped and wonderful construction of what God's prophetic plan is for the End times created by imaginative men/scholars that it is more profitable for us to work on our relationship with God rather than focus on the unfolding steps in the End Time Prophecies.

That was why I said that I would not probably see the end of this present age happen around 22 years into our future, give or take a year or two around that time, because I may not live that long, even though both of my parents lived to an age, that if I followed their lead, I might just fall short of the time when the end of this age is and the beginning of the seventh age will begin.

For me personally, my relationship with God is far more important for me to focus on. Whether or not people will listen to me and my ramblings regarding to my timeline for the End Times is not my problem, nor should it be my concern.

As foretold in Rev. 16:12-16, the end of this present age will occur when the kings of the earth are gathered together at the place called Armageddon to be judged where many lives will be lost supernaturally in the ensuring judgement battle at the end of this present age.

It is my opinion that the Final judgement of the peoples of the earth will occur some 1,050 or so years into our future. Now whether or not I am right is immaterial because so many people have expressed their views on when the End will be and so far few if any have been able to correctly discern the year when the End of the last age will occur.

If I focused on when the end would be, I would become a nervous wreck and become of no earthly use within God's kingdom. Remember that Jesus said that those who try to save their lives will lose it and not enter into Heavenly kingdom that is to come upon the whole earth.

Shalom
 

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Now applying the year for a day rule to prophetic prophecies that have been expressed in days, so that from the time that the fig tree budded in 1948, until the beginning of when the last age/summer harvest season age begins is around possible 96 years. So sometime around the year 2044 give or take a year or two either side, will be the year in which the Last Age will begin.
This is one of the more weird ideas about when Jesus will Return, that I have seen.
We cannot assume that every prophesied day equals a year. The only place where we are told to do that is in Ezekiel 4:4-6 Nowhere else.
That was why I was suggesting that it is far better for us to focus on our relationship with Christ/God at this time and to become active in God's calling on our lives.
What if God's calling on our lives is to promote the Prophetic Word? To be a messenger, as I am.
I have served my time on the mission field, as a younger person, now just a tad past my prime, my task is to show all who care to listen, what God plans for our future. And it is truly amazing!

There is no doubt that the establishment of the Jewish State of Israel, was the first marker for the end times.
Note that the 'fig tree' budded, but has never flowered or borne fruit. Matthew 21:18-19
 

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I saw this short little documentary recently about two women who raised up a fig tree from Jesus time. I'll link it down below.

I always grew up hearing about the fig tree being a prophecy, but when I looked it up I didn't see that.

Look at the fig tree, and all the trees.30 When they are sprouting leaves already, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So in like manner, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 “Truly, I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things are fulfilled.” Luke 21:29-32

I'm still thinking about it but it sounds like an example.

The message being you can see things happening that are signs of the Kingdom of God being near, like when you know summer is coming soon, because of the signs on the tree- not that the fig tree itself symbolizes anything.

The similar example of signs given in nature also shows up in Matthew 16:3

And in the morning, if the sky is dark and red, you say that it will be a rainy day. These are signs of the weather. You see these signs in the sky and know what they mean. In the same way, you see the things that are happening now. These are also signs, but you don’t know their meaning.


I think if you can understand the way a speaker communicates, and patterns of speech, you would understand what he is saying.

BUT WHAT SIGNS..?

Not the tree. All of the signs from Luke 21:7 and onward that he was describing after the disciples asked " Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?"

Verse 29-32 comes after.

The generation of fig tree and the 10 kings

Do you know what John the Baptist said for the generation of the fig tree?

John the Baptist prophesied to the multitude (to the generation of fig tree) that came forth to be baptized of him, saying unto them: O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the WRATH to come? Bring forth therefore fruits worthy of repentance, and begin not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, That God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

And JESUS said unto the generation of fig tree: Matthew 23:v.33 to 36
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.


The generation of fig tree is divided in two kingdoms: The Kingdom of Judah, two tribes, and the kingdom of Israel-10 tribes, the 10 tribes that rebelled against the house of David, so they have nothing to do with the house of David. By the way, It is hard to say, but it is the truth: JESUS, the true Messiah, is of the house of David, however, the generation of vipers or generation of the fig tree crucified Him. JESUS already knew would be crucified by them beforehand.

Mark 11:v.11 to 14 and 20-22
11 And Jesus entered into Jerusalem, and into the temple: and when he had looked round about upon all things, and now the eventide was come, he went out unto Bethany with the twelve.

12 And on the morrow, when they were come from Bethany, he was hungry:
13 And seeing a fig tree afar off having leaves, he came, if haply he might find any thing thereon: and when he came to it, he found nothing but leaves; for the time of figs was not yet. - JESUS KNEW OF THAT, COURSE -

14 And Jesus answered and said unto it, No man eat fruit of thee hereafter for ever. And his disciples heard it.


20 And in the morning, as they passed by, they saw the fig tree dried up from the roots.
21 And Peter calling to remembrance saith unto him, Master, behold, the fig tree which thou cursedst is withered away.
22 And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
(Why???)
 

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What if God's calling on our lives is to promote the Prophetic Word? To be a messenger, as I am.

In my humble opinion you are not an appointed messenger who actually promotes contextually and accurately what the prophetic words presents in the scriptures.

We have had this discussion previously where it is clear to everyone that you do not know whether the English translations present a concise and contextually correct rendering of the original Hebrew or Greek texts.

So far you have not demonstrated that your understanding of the end times is in harmony with what God actually had the prophets write.

Have a good day now.
 

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Does anyone ever have trouble understanding what other people are saying and it comes out like algebra?

Trying to figure out someone else's brain maze to get to make it click, it's going to take time.

But you have to get there because you won't always understand a person if you don't try to listen.

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And I do this to other people, too, probably especially with this one because absolutely nobody seems to be getting it.
 

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I propose that someone look up the population born since 1948, and then figure out a way to see what percentage of that generation are still living.
 

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Why wouldn't Jesus be clear about what he was saying?
Because He did not believe in casting pearls before swine. Once He saw that there was steady resistance to Him and to the truth, He resorted to parables, so that seeing they WOULD NOT SEE and hearing they WOULD NOT UNDERSTAND.

There's a lesson there for every Christian. We are not to endlessly argue and debate about Bible truth. After the first two attempts, Jesus wants us to walk away from those who are wilfully blind.

Getting back to the title of your thread, the fig tree is a symbol for the nation of Israel. Do you recall when Christ cursed a fig tree because it was fruitless? That was a lesson to Israel.
 

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I saw this short little documentary recently about two women who raised up a fig tree from Jesus time. I'll link it down below.

I always grew up hearing about the fig tree being a prophecy, but when I looked it up I didn't see that.

Look at the fig tree, and all the trees.30 When they are sprouting leaves already, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So in like manner, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 “Truly, I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things are fulfilled.” Luke 21:29-32

I'm still thinking about it but it sounds like an example.

The message being you can see things happening that are signs of the Kingdom of God being near, like when you know summer is coming soon, because of the signs on the tree- not that the fig tree itself symbolizes anything.

The similar example of signs given in nature also shows up in Matthew 16:3

And in the morning, if the sky is dark and red, you say that it will be a rainy day. These are signs of the weather. You see these signs in the sky and know what they mean. In the same way, you see the things that are happening now. These are also signs, but you don’t know their meaning.


I think if you can understand the way a speaker communicates, and patterns of speech, you would understand what he is saying.

BUT WHAT SIGNS..?

Not the tree. All of the signs from Luke 21:7 and onward that he was describing after the disciples asked " Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?"

Verse 29-32 comes after.



This sounds like the one that people interpret as the fullness of the gospel preached to all the ends of the earth. Or is that something else?
 

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Because He did not believe in casting pearls before swine. Once He saw that there was steady resistance to Him and to the truth, He resorted to parables, so that seeing they WOULD NOT SEE and hearing they WOULD NOT UNDERSTAND.

There's a lesson there for every Christian. We are not to endlessly argue and debate about Bible truth. After the first two attempts, Jesus wants us to walk away from those who are wilfully blind.

Getting back to the title of your thread, the fig tree is a symbol for the nation of Israel. Do you recall when Christ cursed a fig tree because it was fruitless? That was a lesson to Israel.
Yes, but I also see that as something else..

Now in the morning as he returned into the city, he hungered.

And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away.

20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!

21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.


What I see is Jesus did curse the fig tree. It had no fruit, it was useless, but the first thing he does in response to the disciples amazement isn't an 'every stone will be cast down" example.

What he talks about in response says nothing about Israel.

What he DOES talk about is faith.

He was openly using it as an example to show them what was possible by faith.

Not only that, it was a sign even for the chief priests and elders:

Matthew 21:23 And when he was come into the temple, the chief priests and the elders of the people came unto him as he was teaching, and said,
By what authority doest thou these things? and who gave thee this authority?
 
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This sounds like the one that people interpret as the fullness of the gospel preached to all the ends of the earth. Or is that something else?
Usually I hear it as once Israel became a nation that generation would not pass away, we would be "taken."

But so far I have only seen that using the fig tree stories as prophecy, out of context, which from what I am seeing dismisses the actual meaning of what Jesus was saying.
 
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Usually I hear it as once Israel became a nation that generation would not pass away, we would be "taken."

But so far I have only seen that using the fig tree stories as prophecy, out of context, which from what I am seeing dismisses the actual meaning of what Jesus was saying.
Yes and that I think is interpreted that Israel is the Christians. Such that once the Gospel has been preached to all the earth it will be the end. I'm going with the prophecy idea myself. We'll probably differ then.
 

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I saw this short little documentary recently about two women who raised up a fig tree from Jesus time. I'll link it down below.

I always grew up hearing about the fig tree being a prophecy, but when I looked it up I didn't see that.

Look at the fig tree, and all the trees.30 When they are sprouting leaves already, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So in like manner, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 “Truly, I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things are fulfilled.” Luke 21:29-32

I'm still thinking about it but it sounds like an example.

The message being you can see things happening that are signs of the Kingdom of God being near, like when you know summer is coming soon, because of the signs on the tree- not that the fig tree itself symbolizes anything.

Hey Fluffy!

The fig tree does actually symbolize something, and it is indeed prophecy, but the tricky part here is that you have to combine this teaching with His other parable about the "fig tree" in order to fully see what He is actually talking about.

Let me write something up that explains the whole works. It takes going through a good bit of scripture to relate the entire meaning.
 
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Hey Fluffy!

The fig tree does actually symbolize something, and it is indeed prophecy, but the tricky part here is that the parable He was referring to is not actually in this passage. It's referring back to something He taught in Luke 13:6-9.

Let me write something up that explains the whole works. It takes going through a good bit of scripture to relate the entire meaning.
That's what I saw. We'll see if you see the same thing I did. It's been a while since I read thru it.
 

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That's what I saw. We'll see if you see the same thing I did. It's been a while since I read thru it.

I augmented my post a bit. He does actually use two different parables, but both are about the fig tree, and the Lord was not scatter-brained when using symbolism. He used the symbolism yet again to further build on the original parable, as both were referring to the city of Jerusalem specifically.

Anyway, here is the piece I wrote on it: Jerusalem: A Fig Tree That Will Bud Again

Good morning btw, Devin : )
 
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I don't think you are mean. i am more of a sister than a brother, but I woke up this morning to a flood so i didn't have a lot of time.

I still see a parable. I see this as kind of searching for answers and trying to make sense, but only saying one parable is a prophecy.

I know when the season is near because of the leaves on the tree.

I know it will rain by the clouds in the sky.

I know the time of Christ is near, because Luke 21:8-30 but it will not happen until it is complete.(v. 32)

do we look for secret codes in every parable Jesus spoke, or do we look for the truth in His words?


I am open to changing my mind, but so far I have only been told what everyone says will happen.

Nobody has given me a direct verse that says this directly, without it being a mystery puzzle.
I don't agree with everything Keraz says, but chapter 24 of the book of Jeremiah does have a parable using figs as a metaphor for Judah. The assumption that I make (as well as others) is that our God is not a god of confusion and is consistent in His usage of simile and metaphor. Eg. If leaven represents sin in the Old Testament, then it should also refer to sin in the New. We believe that scripture, having common inspiration through the Holy Spirit, is cohesive.
It's also my experience that within minutes of receiving the Holy Spirit, having believed the gospel and praying with a brother in the Lord to receive Him, that the Lord brought to mind the parable of the fig tree and gave me to believe that it was fulfilled in the reestablishment of national Israel.
Apparently this is a widely held belief among evangelicals and it was the very first time that the Holy Spirit taught me something from scripture as a new creation (though I'd read scripture nearly as long as I've been able to read.)
 
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I don't agree with everything Keraz says, but chapter 24 of the book of Jeremiah does have a parable using figs as a metaphor for Judah. The assumption that I make (as well as others) is that our God is not a god of confusion and is consistent in His usage of simile and metaphor. Eg. If leaven represents sin in the Old Testament, then it should also refer to sin in the New. We believe that scripture, having common inspiration through the Holy Spirit, is cohesive.
It's also my experience that within minutes of receiving the Holy Spirit, having believed the gospel and praying with a brother in the Lord to receive Him, that the Lord brought to mind the parable of the fig tree and gave me to believe that it was fulfilled in the reestablishment of national Israel.
Apparently this is a widely held belief among evangelicals and it was the very first time that the Holy Spirit taught me something from scripture as a new creation (though I'd read scripture nearly as long as I've been able to read.)
I'll take a look at it in Jeremiah.

If it's in context it is fine.

But if it is out of context, then we are copying and pasting a different meaning from what Jesus said onto another scripture one to make it mean "more."

Why is a shock that fig trees existed there and Jesus would use one to show a miracle?

What Jesus was saying was clear and his words were pure.

What was he saying?

1. You can accomplish the impossible by faith
2. Understand the signs like you understand the signs of season, in that season it comes


Everything he said was enough.
 

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I'll take a look at it in Jeremiah.

If it's in context it is fine.

But if it is out of context, then we are copying and pasting a different meaning from what Jesus said onto another scripture one to make it mean "more."

Why is a shock that fig trees existed there and Jesus would use one to show a miracle?

What Jesus was saying was clear and his words were pure.

What was he saying?

1. You can accomplish the impossible by faith
2. Understand the signs like you understand the signs of season, in that season it comes


Everything he said was enough.
Everything that Jesus did and is recorded in scripture was done in the context of the law and the prophets. He came to fulfill scripture and nothing about Him in scripture is outside the context of the law and the prophets. Do you understand this most basic doctrine?