What is the fig tree?

DuckieLady · Jan 8, 2022

michaelvpardo said:
Everything that Jesus did and is recorded in scripture was done in the context of the law and the prophets. He came to fulfill scripture and nothing about Him in scripture is outside the context of the law and the prophets. Do you understand this most basic doctrine?

I'm saying we should listen to the words Jesus was saying and not try to make it different.

Now the parable makes perfect sense if you think about it in context. I explained it several times.

Can you give me an example in either chapter when Israel was being mentioned? There is no commentary that makes it distinguishable. There is nothing that says "but he was speaking of Israel" or "and the disciples understood he meant Israel."

The only thing that makes the parable "bloom" is Jesus' own teaching and his own explanation.

I am not going to claim he said anything else.

michaelvpardo · Jan 8, 2022

FluffyYellowDuck said:
I'm saying we should listen to the words Jesus was saying and not try to make it different.

Now the parable makes perfect sense if you think about it in context. I explained it several times.

Can you give me an example in either chapter when Israel was being mentioned? There is no commentary that makes it distinguishable. There is nothing that says "but he was speaking of Israel" or "and the disciples understood he meant Israel."

The only thing that makes the parable "bloom" is Jesus' own teaching and his own explanation.

I am not going to claim he said anything else.

That's good, because at this point I just haven't a clue what you’re talking about. (I'm obviously missing something in your conversation. )
Or maybe I do. Are you implying that the Holy Spirit isn't the Spirit of Christ and that the living Word didn't inspire the prophets?

DuckieLady · Jan 8, 2022

michaelvpardo said:
That's good, because at this point I just haven't a clue what you’re talking about. (I'm obviously missing something in your conversation. )
Or maybe I do. Are you implying that the Holy Spirit isn't the Spirit of Christ and that the living Word didn't inspire the prophets?

I think you may be very confused @michaelvpardo I am pretty sure we are talking about two different topics.

I'm sorry.

I need to rest today and get off of here, but I apologize for the confusion

Timtofly · Jan 8, 2022

FluffyYellowDuck said:
I propose that someone look up the population born since 1948, and then figure out a way to see what percentage of that generation are still living.

It only takes one to survive, not a percentage.

Keraz · Jan 8, 2022

What is meant by Matthew 24:34 is: for the generation who are present when the 'fig tree buds', they will be able to see all the prophesied end times events. Possible, but not guaranteed.
Even those born before 1948, may live long enough and of course, many won't as well, as death takes its toll.

So; WE are that generation and we should know what God has Planned for our future. Or remain in the dark.

Oseas · Jan 8, 2022

FluffyYellowDuck said:
And when JESUS saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee HENCEFORWARD FOR EVER. And presently the fig tree withered away.

According Scriptures, where was/is the root of the fig tree? Knowing where was the root of the fig tree, my Lord JESUS executed tempestively His righteous Judgment against the fig tree, and JESUS proclaimed the sentence of the fruitless and useless fig tree that was no longer good for anything; and the sentence was: Let no fruit grow on thee HENCEFORWARD FOR EVER. This has been fulfilled LITERALLY against Israel, against the dry land.

FluffyYellowDuck said:
20 And when the disciples saw it, they marvelled, saying, How soon is the fig tree withered away!
21 Jesus answered and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, If ye have faith, and doubt not, ye shall not only do this which is done to the fig tree, but also if ye shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; it shall be done.

Israel has been punished many times with destruction and persecutions for their rebellious behavior against GOD, their Creator. Moses warned all Israel about SEVERE punishments and harsh CURSES for disobedience. Deut.28:v.15 to 68, 53 verses of strong punishments, and these CURSES and punishments fell upon the nation whenever they disobeyed the commandments and instructions of the Lord given through Moses.

The worst of all was to crucify Jesus, the Messiah, who GOD sent for the salvation of Israel firstly, and by whom GOD Father established the New Covenant, which Israel rejected. What was the consequence of this insane behavior? The consequences came in the year 70 AD, as JESUS said to the fig tree: "Let no fruit grow on thee HENCEFORWARD FOR EVER. This sentence of the Lord JESUS fulfilled LITERALLY until the current time against Israel, and will fulfill FOR EVER and EVER.

In the year 70 AD, hundreds of thousands of Israel's people were killed by the Romans, those who fled and escaped, they scattered themselves around the world, and were persecuted in the four corners of the earth, from the year 70 to the year 1948 AD, in fact they were severely PUNISHED and left without NATION for 1,878 years, the CURSES which Moses exposed to them, they fell upon all the Jews wherever they went. Deut. 28:v.15 to 68-Check it.

And now, what will happen with the nation of Israel that has returned to their land, in fulfillment of all that is written about them in the Word of God? They still reject JESUS and His Gospel, the Jews are waiting the manifestation of their peculiar messiah, not JESUS. By the way, the Lord JESUS did know they will receive another messiah and He prophesied about the coming of this IMPOSTOR. JESUS said to the Jews: (John 5:v.43-47) 43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if ANOTHER shall come in his own name (a FALSE messiah, an IMPOSTER, an USURPER), him ye will receive.

Who is this the false messiah of the ESOTERIC and kabbalistic and spiritist Jewish nation, yeah, who is this IMPOSTOR? He is the Beast which will rise up out of the earth (Rev.13:v.11-18), whose coming is after the working of Satan (2Thes.2:9-12) with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness IN THEM THAT PERISH; because they received not the love of the truth (they received not JESUS), that they might be saved. For this cause God shall SEND THEM STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie (the Jews will believe in the false messiah, as JESUS warned them: John 5:v.v.43. Check it): That THEY ALL MIGHT BE DAMNED who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Based in this Word of God, the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist Israel, they are lost once believing in a FALSE messiah, an IMPOSTOR.
Romans 2:v.12- as many as have sinned in the law (the JEWS) shall be Judged by the law; and as many as have sinned without law (the GENTILES) shall also PERISH without law.

DuckieLady · Jan 8, 2022

Keraz said:
What is meant by Matthew 24:34 is: for the generation who are present when the 'fig tree buds', they will be able to see all the prophesied end times events. Possible, but not guaranteed.
Even those born before 1948, may live long enough and of course, many won't as well, as death takes its toll.

So; WE are that generation and we should know what God has Planned for our future. Or remain in the dark.

Do you believe the last generation after Israel is confirmed anywhere else in scripture besides through those verses in Luke and Matthew?

What I mean is written anywhere else, where it is clear and in context?

Keraz · Jan 8, 2022

FluffyYellowDuck said:
Do you believe the last generation after Israel is confirmed anywhere else in scripture besides through those verses in Luke and Matthew?

What I mean is written anywhere else, where it is clear and in context?

The confirmation of how we are now in the end times and can very soon expect the prophesied events leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign, is: the provable fact of 5991 years having passed since Adan was Created.
The Bible gives all the time periods of the Patriarchs, then the Kings of Judah, to the Babylonian conquest in 586 BC.
From that known date, we can fix where we are on the Gregorian calendar.

There was exactly 2000 years from Adam to when Abram left Ur. Then another exact 2000 years from Abraham to the day when Jesus was acclaimed King and subsequently Crucified. In 30 AD.
Now; we are exactly 1991 years past that and can expect Jesus to Return in 2030 AD Then He will reign for the final 1000 years, making a total of 7000 years decreed for mankind.

There is, of course, much more that that, as the world spirals down into apostasy and sin, just as it was in the days of Noah. But the main indicator is the situation in the Middle East, where Iran and all the Islamic haters of Israel are just waiting and ready for their attempt to wipe Israel off the map. Psalms 85 describes this attack and how the Lord will destroy them all. Ezekiel 7:14 The Sixth Seal, Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath.
Then; the rest of Revelation will take place.

DuckieLady · Jan 8, 2022

Keraz said:
The confirmation of how we are now in the end times and can very soon expect the prophesied events leading up to the glorious Return of Jesus for His Millennium reign, is: the provable fact of 5991 years having passed since Adan was Created.
The Bible gives all the time periods of the Patriarchs, then the Kings of Judah, to the Babylonian conquest in 586 BC.
From that known date, we can fix where we are on the Gregorian calendar.

There was exactly 2000 years from Adam to when Abram left Ur. Then another exact 2000 years from Abraham to the day when Jesus was acclaimed King and subsequently Crucified. In 30 AD.
Now; we are exactly 1991 years past that and can expect Jesus to Return in 2030 AD Then He will reign for the final 1000 years, making a total of 7000 years decreed for mankind.

There is, of course, much more that that, as the world spirals down into apostasy and sin, just as it was in the days of Noah. But the main indicator is the situation in the Middle East, where Iran and all the Islamic haters of Israel are just waiting and ready for their attempt to wipe Israel off the map. Psalms 85 describes this attack and how the Lord will destroy them all. Ezekiel 7:14 The Sixth Seal, Lord's terrible Day of fiery wrath.
Then; the rest of Revelation will take place.

Okay, thank you.

This is hard for me because this is about teaching I learned my entire life, until I read it myself completely.

If it isn't in the Bible and not confirmed at all outright by scripture, what I believe Jesus was saying in the parable was to recognize the signs like the same way you would know summer was coming by the budding leaves on the fig tree.

I think the reason he would say such thing was to remind us to be prepared and know his teachings, and signs he answered them, because he rebuked the people in Matthew 16:2-3 for NOT recognizing the signs.

If Jesus was fulfilling the message, I believe he would have quoted from a different scripture in a similar context. But the wisdom he appears to give is "be ready and pay attention."

I won't tell anyone what to believe.

But it isn't outright in scripture, I can't claim it, and I would not want to answer for having claimed Jesus said something he wasn't saying.

ThePuffyBlob · Jan 9, 2022

i haven't seen an actual fig tree

but i know what it means i understand
it is a sign for you to know when is the end all those things first need to be fulfilled before the end comes

i.e when you know
2 Timothy 3:2-7
KJV: For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
ESV: For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.
ASV: For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good, traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power thereof: from these also turn away. For of these are they that creep into houses, and take captive silly women laden with sins, led away by divers lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
NIV: People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God — having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.

then
you'll know
2 Timothy 3:1
KJV: This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
ESV: But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty.
ASV: But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come.
NIV: But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.

we are in the last days

DuckieLady · Jan 9, 2022

stredaleve said:
i haven't seen an actual fig tree View attachment 19976 but i know what it means i understand
it is a sign for you to know when is the end all those things first need to be fulfilled before the end comes

i.e when you know
2 Timothy 3:2-7
KJV: For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
ESV: For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth.
ASV: For men shall be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, haughty, railers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, implacable, slanderers, without self-control, fierce, no lovers of good, traitors, headstrong, puffed up, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God; holding a form of godliness, but having denied the power thereof: from these also turn away. For of these are they that creep into houses, and take captive silly women laden with sins, led away by divers lusts, ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
NIV: People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God — having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. They are the kind who worm their way into homes and gain control over gullible women, who are loaded down with sins and are swayed by all kinds of evil desires, always learning but never able to come to a knowledge of the truth.

then
you'll know
2 Timothy 3:1
KJV: This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
ESV: But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty.
ASV: But know this, that in the last days grievous times shall come.
NIV: But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days.

we are in the last days

@stredaleve right on, you understand it.

For the rest -

If we are going to say Israel is the fig tree explain this:

Luke 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees.

What other trees? ALL nations will be reborn? Really?

We don't know the day or the hour- we know the season of his coming and that season will be recognized by the signs; therefore, when we see the budding of the leaves.

You are ALREADY told where to look - in Matthew 24

Good in depth list - right down to earthquakes.

Israel's rebirth isn't on it.

Keraz · Jan 10, 2022

FluffyYellowDuck said:
Luke 21:29 And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees.

What other trees? ALL nations will be reborn? Really?

Since the end of the second world war, most nations have experienced great advances in infrastructure and wealth.
Just as the Jewish State of Israel has too.
Luke 21:29 has been fulfilled.

Davy · Jan 10, 2022

FluffyYellowDuck said:
We don't know the day or the hour- we know the season of his coming and that season will be recognized by the signs; therefore, when we see the budding of the leaves.

You are ALREADY told where to look - in Matthew 24

Good in depth list - right down to earthquakes.

Israel's rebirth isn't on it.

But in reality, Israel's establishing by God is... within Christ's Olivet discourse, simply by use of the fig tree analogy. Jeremiah 24 with the prophecy of the two baskets of figs is directly related to God bringing Judah back to the lands of promise and not taking them out again. Now in 70 A.D., the Roman army scattered Judah out of the holy land, and sold many of them into slavery, never to return until many years later. When the Jews that refused to convert to Christ were dispelled by the European nations, many of them started returning to Jerusalem. And only in 1948 did they become a nation again, suggesting the Jeremiah 24 prophecy, and since then still being established as a nation for today, that pretty much reveals that prophecy having been fulfilled. And that symbolizes the fig tree growing leaves, prophetically per the parable.

Keraz · Jan 10, 2022

Davy said:
suggesting the Jeremiah 24 prophecy, and since then still being established as a nation for today, that pretty much reveals that prophecy having been fulfilled. And that symbolizes the fig tree growing leaves, prophetically per the parable.

Jesus also said the fig tree will never again bear fruit. Matthew 21:19
This has come true, as the Jews do no evangelizing. In fact; they actively discourage Christianity.
WE Christians are the recipients of the Kingdom. Matthew 21:43

The Jewish State of Israel will be gone at the Sixth Seal, Day of the Lord's fiery wrath and only a remnant will survive. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Jeremiah 10:18, Isaiah 22:1-14, +

Davy · Jan 10, 2022

Keraz said:
Jesus also said the fig tree will never again bear fruit. Matthew 21:19
This has come true, as the Jews do no evangelizing. In fact; they actively discourage Christianity.
WE Christians are the recipients of the Kingdom. Matthew 21:43

The Jewish State of Israel will be gone at the Sixth Seal, Day of the Lord's fiery wrath and only a remnant will survive. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Jeremiah 10:18, Isaiah 22:1-14, +

Yeah, I understand that. However... don't forget what Apostle Paul taught about his unbelieving brethren the Jews, that God will one day remove their spiritual blindness He put upon them so The Gospel would go to the Gentiles (and to scattered Israel which believed with them). Per Luke 24 about the daughters of Jerusalem Jesus foretold, that is about the unbelieving Jews being in shame when Jesus returns, and they realize what they had done by rejecting Him. And thus they will wish for the hills and mountains to fall upon them.

In other words, today's nation state of Israel where the majority there reject Jesus, they still are fulfilling God's promise to Jerusalem and to His servant David, that He would always leave one tribe there (per 1 Kings 11). So they still today represent the "house of Judah", but the part that is still deceived by the blindness God put upon them according to Apostle Paul in Romans 11.

Randy Kluth · Jan 10, 2022

FluffyYellowDuck said:
I saw this short little documentary recently about two women who raised up a fig tree from Jesus time. I'll link it down below.

I always grew up hearing about the fig tree being a prophecy, but when I looked it up I didn't see that.

…Look at the fig tree, and all the trees.30 When they are sprouting leaves already, you see and know for yourselves that summer is now near. 31 So in like manner, when you see these things happening, you know that the kingdom of God is near. 32 “Truly, I tell you, this generation will not pass away until all these things are fulfilled.” Luke 21:29-32

I'm still thinking about it but it sounds like an example.

The message being you can see things happening that are signs of the Kingdom of God being near, like when you know summer is coming soon, because of the signs on the tree- not that the fig tree itself symbolizes anything.

I think you're very astute. It is more an example than it is a reference to the Fig Tree being Israel. But I agree with those who believe there would be an instant association between the Fig Tree and Israel, and Jesus would know this.

So yes, he was using the Fig Tree as an example, primarily. But it does allude to Israel in the sense that he had already referred to it as a failing tree. So producing leaves and fruit were the purpose of the tree, and what we would expect to result. But Jesus in effect was saying that after producing leaves the thing to happen would be unexpected. The nation would fall.

The initial signs of the Fall of Jerusalem would be rumors of war, and wars themselves, which is what was happening with the Roman army in those times. They were busy putting down revolts and establishing their territory. It was a real threat to the punishment of Jerusalem, which Jesus inferred would come by the Roman armies.

So the initial signs were that God wasn't happy with Israel, particularly when they were about to reject their own Messianic atonement. There would be earthquakes and various indications that God was imminently close to bringing decisive punishment upon the Jewish people that would last throughout the age. They would only be restored when the "Son of Man" comes from heaven, as Daniel foretold (Dan 7).

They could not therefore expect a sign of prosperity and blessing as if this fig tree would flourish. On the contrary, they could only expect the Son of Man to initially bring punishment upon the Jews and ultimately to come again to complete punishment throughout the world so that those with faith can see their nations recover.

Anyway, this is how I see it. But I do think you're right in explaining that the purpose of the fig tree is not to identify who the fig tree is, but rather, to explain that early signs would portend the fulfilment of what Jesus said would happen to Jerusalem in that generation.

marks · Jan 10, 2022

FluffyYellowDuck said:
I am looking in Daniel 2 but I haven't seen what you're referring to. if you let me know the verses, I'll take a look.

I understand the dates and modern interpetation of prophecy, but I am only looking at what Jesus was saying in this passage.

Why wouldn't Jesus be clear about what he was saying?

He seems just as clear with that as an example as the red sky.

Bigger question:

Is the red sky code, too? What was he doing with that?

I agree, it's a simple matter. You can look at the trees and tell the seasons . . . you can look at the sky and tell the weather . . . you'll be able to look at the signs and tell the times.

No decoding needed, just a common-sense approach to what He said.

Much love!

marks · Jan 10, 2022

Randy Kluth said:
So yes, he was using the Fig Tree as an example, primarily.

Of course, Luke recorded Jesus' words, hear the parable of the fig tree, and all the trees . . .

Much love!

DuckieLady · Jan 10, 2022

marks said:
Of course, Luke recorded Jesus' words, hear the parable of the fig tree, and all the trees . . .

Much love!

Yes, exactly.

If it wasn't mentioned by Jesus outright, or said by any prophets before him, then this is not said by God - it was man coming up with what God said.

And what good does that bring, except distracting away from everything Jesus spoke outright, AND should you be wrong, and the time passes and if nothing comes, where will that leave the faith of your children and grandchildren?

Therefore, rely on Christ and trust what he said.

Keraz · Jan 10, 2022

Davy said:
today's nation state of Israel where the majority there reject Jesus, they still are fulfilling God's promise to Jerusalem

In no way does the Jewish State of Israel, fulfil God's Promise to the holy Land, or to His real, true people.
The simple and obvious fact is; that nation is Satan's false construct, a deception that has fooled most Christians.

They, along with their evil neighbors, will be uprooted on the Day the Lord takes action. Jeremiah 12:14
Note carefully; the separation between Israel and Judah in that verse. Judah will be gone and Israel; the faithful Christian peoples, will migrate to and live in all of the holy Land. Isaiah 35:1-10

What is the fig tree?

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