How the Holy Spirit Does Not Speak in Ministry

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Like my sig says…

Long windedness is a sure sign of short understanding.

Yet providing no full proof of that kind of ministry by speaking against anyone making full proof of His ministry. Kind of an oxymoron thing to do.

We grow by applying scripture in these discussions; not mocking others.

2 Timothy 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

Galatians 5:14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 15 But if ye bite and devour one another, take heed that ye be not consumed one of another. 16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

2 Timothy 3:13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived. 14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them; 15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus. 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

So reproving false doctrines and teachings of long held church traditions & practices needs a full proof from His words for His ministry.

That is not to say that He cannot do it in small posts in an ongoing discussion, but this thread was broken up into smaller posts for that purpose.

Thank you for sharing. I know people do not like to read long posts, but these are not that long and He can minister regardless for those seeking.
 

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You have no idea at all how it works or what it’s all about, because you’re on the outside looking in.

What if you are the lobster in a slowly boiling pot that you need Hid help to get out to see what it is you ae in?

The Holy Spirit prays in a language that is a mystery to those who hear it, because “no man understands it”, and no one said, or remotely hinted, that the HS is praying for Himself.

this is inconsistent with His words in John 16:13 for why you should be testing the spirts & the tongues it brings because the real God's gift of tongues is not for private use.

When it’s a message spoken to a congregation, it’s interpreted -

That is the real God's gift of tongues.

when its done in private it remains unknown, and thus is a mystery to the speaker, as the HS prays for us, for things we know not how to ask for.

That is not rightly dividing the word of truth. Is God partial? ask Him for help in what you are saying because that tells everyone that does not pray in tongues that the Holy Spirit in them is not praying for them at all. And so they doubt they have the holy Spirit and thus doubt their own salvation because of Romans 8:9.

Is it any wonder why there is that false teaching out there that if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit, and therefore you are not saved". How can you reprove it when they can point to how the Holy Spirit is praying for you but He is not doing that for others?

See how that makes God look evil by being partial among the body of Christ?

I believe the KJV & the ASV translation of Romans 8:26-27 where it is written that not even His groanings can be uttered which aligns with the truth in His words in John 16:13 as found in ALL Bible versions. And since there can be n lie of the truth, and scripture cannot go against scripture. you need to pray normaly at that throne of grace for help from Jesus Christ, and trust Him as your Good Shepherd & Friend to help you now.

And when the Holy Spirit directs someone, as He did Paul and Peter, there’s no unknown tongue involved, He speaks to us in our language.

Here’s the deal: Paul explains tongues and prophecy in church services very thoroughly in 1 Corinthians 14 - and after explaining all that, Paul closed the letter to that church, by telling them to forbid not tongues, and to let the ignorant remain ignorant, if they don’t get it.

1Co 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

1Co 14:39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Anyone forbidding tongues, especially in church, is ignorant- and Paul says to let them remain that way.

Amen.

1 Corinthians 14:38 is directed towards the Lord's commandments about women not speaking in church at all, for why if they started speaking in tongues, the Holy Spirit would not d that in breaking the Lord's commandment for them not to speak in church.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

I acknowledge your verse 39, but that is only for the real God's gift of tongues & not for praying in tongues in church. even with the sound system today, believers in pews beside someone talking or even whispering are told to hush because they want to hear the sermon. So to assume that believers are actually praying in tongues in church in a quiet manner is not reasonable at all when silence is silence; no sound at all.

1 Corinthians 14:28 is just a foreigner speaking out of turn during this 2 or 3 speak in tongues one at a time while another interpret for why he is instructed to be silent because of there being no interpretation, thus proving he was speaking as he knew what he was saying and thus not a manifestation of the Holy Spirit in regards to the real God's gift of tongues. This also proves that God's gift of tongues is not a stand alone gift at all as it will come with interpretation.

So if Paul was praying while the holy Spirit was speaking in tongues thru Paul for someone else to interpret so he would understand it for that tongue to be fruitful to Paul, then tongues was ever meant for private use.

When you can find that gibberish nonsense in the occult as proven by scripture in Isaiah 8:19, the real God's gift of tongues would never mimic that for why the real God's gift of tongues was and is never for private use.

So do ask Jesus for help just to be sure where you are in your walk with Him, trusting Him as your Good Shepherd & friend to help you to see the truth in His words to abstain from all appearances of evil to see why it is the will of God for us to pray normally to give the Father thanks in Jesus name for answers to prayers.
 

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What if you are the lobster in a slowly boiling pot that you need Hid help to get out to see what it is you ae in?



this is inconsistent with His words in John 16:13 for why you should be testing the spirts & the tongues it brings because the real God's gift of tongues is not for private use.



That is the real God's gift of tongues.



That is not rightly dividing the word of truth. Is God partial? ask Him for help in what you are saying because that tells everyone that does not pray in tongues that the Holy Spirit in them is not praying for them at all. And so they doubt they have the holy Spirit and thus doubt their own salvation because of Romans 8:9.

Is it any wonder why there is that false teaching out there that if you do not speak in tongues, you do not have the Holy Spirit, and therefore you are not saved". How can you reprove it when they can point to how the Holy Spirit is praying for you but He is not doing that for others?

See how that makes God look evil by being partial among the body of Christ?

I believe the KJV & the ASV translation of Romans 8:26-27 where it is written that not even His groanings can be uttered which aligns with the truth in His words in John 16:13 as found in ALL Bible versions. And since there can be n lie of the truth, and scripture cannot go against scripture. you need to pray normaly at that throne of grace for help from Jesus Christ, and trust Him as your Good Shepherd & Friend to help you now.



1 Corinthians 14:38 is directed towards the Lord's commandments about women not speaking in church at all, for why if they started speaking in tongues, the Holy Spirit would not d that in breaking the Lord's commandment for them not to speak in church.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law. 35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church. 36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only? 37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord. 38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.

I acknowledge your verse 39, but that is only for the real God's gift of tongues & not for praying in tongues in church. even with the sound system today, believers in pews beside someone talking or even whispering are told to hush because they want to hear the sermon. So to assume that believers are actually praying in tongues in church in a quiet manner is not reasonable at all when silence is silence; no sound at all.

1 Corinthians 14:28 is just a foreigner speaking out of turn during this 2 or 3 speak in tongues one at a time while another interpret for why he is instructed to be silent because of there being no interpretation, thus proving he was speaking as he knew what he was saying and thus not a manifestation of the Holy Spirit in regards to the real God's gift of tongues. This also proves that God's gift of tongues is not a stand alone gift at all as it will come with interpretation.

So if Paul was praying while the holy Spirit was speaking in tongues thru Paul for someone else to interpret so he would understand it for that tongue to be fruitful to Paul, then tongues was ever meant for private use.

When you can find that gibberish nonsense in the occult as proven by scripture in Isaiah 8:19, the real God's gift of tongues would never mimic that for why the real God's gift of tongues was and is never for private use.

So do ask Jesus for help just to be sure where you are in your walk with Him, trusting Him as your Good Shepherd & friend to help you to see the truth in His words to abstain from all appearances of evil to see why it is the will of God for us to pray normally to give the Father thanks in Jesus name for answers to prayers.
@Christ4Me I do think the fact that in Acts the various sign gifts occurred before Scripture was complete is important.
 

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@Christ4Me I do think the fact that in Acts the various sign gifts occurred before Scripture was complete is important.

But not in the manner that the apostasy of seeking a continual filling of the "Spirit" and the tongues for private use gained by it, are done. Big difference between the two.

Believers in apostasy today are reading their experiences into Acts when they should be making sure they are rightly dividing the word of truth with other scripture. Some even do that in 1 Corinthians 14th chapter as if Paul is exhorting tongues for private use rather than the gift of prophesy.

Thank you for sharing.
 

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this is inconsistent with His words in John 16:13 for why you should be testing the spirts & the tongues it brings because the real God's gift of tongues is not for private use.

You are completely refuted by Paul writing not to speak in tongues in church, unless it’s interpreted, so those there know what’s being said, but then saying he spoke in tongues more than anyone, and that when he speaks in tongues, he doesn’t understand what he’s saying - which means he’s not doing it in church, but in private.

You continue to show you don’t really know what scripture says on the topic

Paul doesn’t understand what he’s saying when praying in tongues, meaning it’s not in church when he’s doing so:

1Co 14:13 Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret.

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.

1Co 14:15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.

1Co 14:16 Otherwise, if you give thanks with your spirit, how can anyone in the position of an outsider say “Amen” to your thanksgiving when he does not know what you are saying?

1Co 14:17 For you may be giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not being built up.

Yet part of spiritual warfare is praying always in the sprit:

Eph 6:18 praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end, keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints,

The gift of tongues is used in spiritual warfare, and is used because the spirit intercedes for us by praying for us for things we know not how to pray about - because the HS has perfect knowledge, and we don’t - and is used to give a message to the congregation in church, when it’s interpreted, and also edifies the person using them in private prayer.

I’m about done here, it’s about time to heed Paul in 1 Corinthians 14, and let the ignorant remain ignorant.

It’s obvious that some have no ears to hear.
 
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I believe the KJV & the ASV translation of Romans 8:26-27 where it is written that not even His groanings can be uttered

It’s obvious that if the groaning in the spirit wasn’t audible, that no one would know the groaning was happening, thus mentioning groaning in the spirit would be redundant- and in another verse you have no clue even exists, Jesus Himself groaned in the spirit:

Joh 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,
 

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You are completely refuted by Paul writing not to speak in tongues in church, unless it’s interpreted, so those there know what’s being said, but then saying he spoke in tongues more than anyone, and that when he speaks in tongues, he doesn’t understand what he’s saying - which means he’s not doing it in church, but in private.

You are misreading Paul because when the Holy Spirit manifest tongues through Paul, he is praying that somebody else will interpret so that he will understand it and that tongue will be fruitful to Paul. That means there is no way tongues are for private use because no one would be able to understand it for that kind of tongue to be fruitful to any modern day tongue speaker.

They list s many benefits for tongues for private use and they have different modes like self edification to Holy Spirit praying for you, so how can it benefit any one that uses tongues for private use when you know not what it is being said?

You continue to show you don’t really know what scripture says on the topic

Since mediums & wizards & voodoo priests speaks in tongues that is gibberish nonsense, how can you tell if they have repented if they continue the same kind of tongue in your assembly? How can those sinners know if they have departed from those spirits if the Holy Spirit supposedly does the same thing by that kind of tongue?

Paul doesn’t understand what he’s saying when praying in tongues, meaning it’s not in church when he’s doing so:

In context of verse 12 is why I'd say that whole chapter is about edifying the church for why prophesy is better than tongues because tongues is not a stand alone gift.

1 Corinthians 14:12 Even so ye, forasmuch as ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may excel to the edifying of the church.

1Co 14:13 Therefore, one who speaks in a tongue should pray that he may interpret.

1Co 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays but my mind is unfruitful.

1Co 14:15 What am I to do? I will pray with my spirit, but I will pray with my mind also; I will sing praise with my spirit, but I will sing with my mind also.

1Co 14:16 Otherwise, if you give thanks with your spirit, how can anyone in the position of an outsider say “Amen” to your thanksgiving when he does not know what you are saying?

1Co 14:17 For you may be giving thanks well enough, but the other person is not being built up.

If you read this in its entirety, you would know this is about the gift of tongues in the assembly.

I have never heard of any one using tongues for private use, praying for interpretation.

Yet part of spiritual warfare is praying always in the sprit:

Eph 6:18 praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end, keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints,

You praying at all times in the Spirit is not the same as having supposedly the Spirit interrupting you from you praying normally in praying for you out loud.

[/QUOTE]The gift of tongues is used in spiritual warfare, and is used because the spirit intercedes for us by praying for us for things we know not how to pray about - because the HS has perfect knowledge, and we don’t - and is used to give a message to the congregation in church, when it’s interpreted, and also edifies the person using them in private prayer.[/QUOTE]

Matthew 6:7-8 testifies that the Father knows before we ask anything in prayer so there is no need for a secret language for the Holy Spirit to pray out loud for us in. Indeed, for you to make that claim against spiritual warfare or for not knowing what to pray, then you alienate those believers that do not have tongues for private use as that makes it look like the Holy Spirit is not in them to pray for them.

Romans 8:26-27 in the KJV & SAV is for all believers as He cannot utter His own groanings for why the father knows before we ask anything in prayer in Matthew 6:7-8

I’m about done here, it’s about time to heed Paul in 1 Corinthians 14, and let the ignorant remain ignorant.

It’s obvious that some have no ears to hear.

Problem here is that you do not see yourself separating yourself from the body of Christ, because you want to believe tongues are for private use just as you want to believe when you went forward to the altar to ask for salvation, you were seeking a sign of your salvation rather than to come to Him & believe in Him to be saved. If you had believed that you were saved for coming to & believing in Jesus Christ as that is the truth of the gospel, then you would not be going to the altar asking for salvation. The company you kept is responsible for what made you go up to that altar for.

Thanks for sharing, brother, but I still say for you to ask Jesus to make sure everything is okay between you & Him because by His words, I do see by Him it is not okay.
 

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It’s obvious that if the groaning in the spirit wasn’t audible, that no one would know the groaning was happening, thus mentioning groaning in the spirit would be redundant- and in another verse you have no clue even exists, Jesus Himself groaned in the spirit:

Joh 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled,

Then you take away that promise from God that the Holy Spirit intercedes for everyone silently for how the Father knows before we ask anything in prayer

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.

So what need for the secret language of the Holy Spirit in order for Him to pray out loud? None.

So this testimony below is for all believers as the Holy Spirit in us intercedes for us silently with no groanings nor sighings at all.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
 

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I'm not sure what the point of this thread is, but speaking in tongues of men and angels are taught in the Bible. It's possible to speak in tongues and interpret tongues if the Holy Spirit gives you this gift. Also, the site about pagan and Christianity, Christianity is the oldest faith since Adam and Eve regardless of what other Pagans says the oldest is. I just read the Bible and pray for God's understanding. I'm not sure what else to say after reading all of this. The scriptures are clear in Acts and in Corinthians about tongues and by the way, if you speak in tongues but have not love, the Bible says you are just making a noise. I didn't say that either. Love is the greatest and it will show in the true believers of Christ.

There are many false teachers out there but there is a church, a people who do actually believe in God and who do want to please God and see others saved and do care about God and His church.
 

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I'm not sure what the point of this thread is, but speaking in tongues of men and angels are taught in the Bible. It's possible to speak in tongues and interpret tongues if the Holy Spirit gives you this gift. Also, the site about pagan and Christianity, Christianity is the oldest faith since Adam and Eve regardless of what other Pagans says the oldest is. I just read the Bible and pray for God's understanding. I'm not sure what else to say after reading all of this. The scriptures are clear in Acts and in Corinthians about tongues and by the way, if you speak in tongues but have not love, the Bible says you are just making a noise. I didn't say that either. Love is the greatest and it will show in the true believers of Christ.

There are many false teachers out there but there is a church, a people who do actually believe in God and who do want to please God and see others saved and do care about God and His church.

The point of this thread is to understand why those who claims tongues are for private use is not scriptural by knowing how the Holy Spirit will speak by what He hears and not speak as not coming from Himself.

That means the Holy Spirit would not take God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people and turn it around for His own private use like praying out loud in gibberish nonsense because that would make God the author of confusion when He is not.

That also means that tongues for self edification in private use is not the meaning from 1 Corinthians 14th chapter when Paul testified that unless it was interpreted by another, that tongue would be unfruitful to himself, thus proving tongues are not for private use at all. God would have us understand our edification by the known word, and not by gibberish nonsense where no interpretation can come.
 

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The point of this thread is to understand why those who claims tongues are for private use is not scriptural by knowing how the Holy Spirit will speak by what He hears and not speak as not coming from Himself.

That means the Holy Spirit would not take God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people and turn it around for His own private use like praying out loud in gibberish nonsense because that would make God the author of confusion when He is not.

That also means that tongues for self edification in private use is not the meaning from 1 Corinthians 14th chapter when Paul testified that unless it was interpreted by another, that tongue would be unfruitful to himself, thus proving tongues are not for private use at all. God would have us understand our edification by the known word, and not by gibberish nonsense where no interpretation can come.
I’ll leave you to your error, and private interpretation.
 
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I’ll leave you to your error, and private interpretation.

I'll leave you to yours since you are the one departing from what we all are supposed to share in by preaching another baptism with the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

You are always Spirit-filled since salvation, brother Curtis. I pray the Lord will return you to your first love away from your love for tongues in private use and your love for chasing after seducing spirits for a constant refilling as if you are a leaky vessel when you are not.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
 

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I'll leave you to yours since you are the one departing from what we all are supposed to share in by preaching another baptism with the Holy Spirit.

1 Corinthians 1:9 God is faithful, by whom ye were called unto the fellowship of his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. 10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.

1 Corinthians 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Ephesians 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

You are always Spirit-filled since salvation, brother Curtis. I pray the Lord will return you to your first love away from your love for tongues in private use and your love for chasing after seducing spirits for a constant refilling as if you are a leaky vessel when you are not.

Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.

John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
It takes the Holy Spirit to come to all truth, so I’ll leave you to your misinterpretation.
 

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The point of this thread is to understand why those who claims tongues are for private use is not scriptural by knowing how the Holy Spirit will speak by what He hears and not speak as not coming from Himself.

That means the Holy Spirit would not take God's gift of tongues for speaking unto the people and turn it around for His own private use like praying out loud in gibberish nonsense because that would make God the author of confusion when He is not.

That also means that tongues for self edification in private use is not the meaning from 1 Corinthians 14th chapter when Paul testified that unless it was interpreted by another, that tongue would be unfruitful to himself, thus proving tongues are not for private use at all. God would have us understand our edification by the known word, and not by gibberish nonsense where no interpretation can come.


so you are basically saying 'if a christian speaks in tongues, he must understand it, or it's all gibberish?" and not real? I am not clear on what your saying.

Let me tell you once experience I had. Brother prayed over me and layed hands on me, I spoke in tongues and the words just flowed out of my mouth, in my mind, I didn't remember what I was thinking or praying. I just remember being broken, in tears and still believing in the same God then as I do now.

It doesn't matter what you or others say. It only matters what the Bible says. The Bible does say to speak in tongues and do not forbid it. The Bible says that if it's spoken in the church, it must have an interpretation which is another gift of the Holy Spirit. The Bible also says that if you speak in tongues, it's for your own use, because the others' do not know what is being prayed and cant say Amen.

I'm not sure what or where the confusion is.
 
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so you are basically saying 'if a christian speaks in tongues, he must understand it, or it's all gibberish?" and not real? I am not clear on what your saying.

God's gift of tongues is for speaking unto the people in their native foreign tongue for why in the assembly, it will come with interpretation, and therefore it is never for private use.

There is a pagan supernatural tongue in the world that is gained by receiving of another spirit like mediums and wizards do per Isaiah 8:19

That is why it is a lie that there is another baptism with the Holy Ghost with a sign of tongues or evidence with tongues but if saved Christians believe that lie, God will permit that strong delusion to occur & be at risk of being damned ( 2 Thessalonians 2:9-15 ) as in left behind to die when the Bridegroom comes for being out to the market seeking to be filled with oil when the wise knew they already were; ( Matthew 25:1-13 ) to be resurrected after the great tribulation as vessels unto dishonor in His House, but still in His House as vessels of wood & earth ( 2 Timothy 2:18-21 ).

Let me tell you once experience I had. Brother prayed over me and layed hands on me, I spoke in tongues and the words just flowed out of my mouth, in my mind, I didn't remember what I was thinking or praying. I just remember being broken, in tears and still believing in the same God then as I do now.

Why was the brother laying his hands on you? Were you in a church that practice praying in tongues & using tongues for private use? Then you do not have to be seeking it when you were in effect in bad company because they were in apostasy. ( Still saved, but fallen away from the faith )

It doesn't matter what you or others say. It only matters what the Bible says. The Bible does say to speak in tongues and do not forbid it. The Bible says that if it's spoken in the church, it must have an interpretation which is another gift of the Holy Spirit. The Bible also says that if you speak in tongues, it's for your own use, because the others' do not know what is being prayed and cant say Amen.

It should matter what the apostle John says because he warned us not to believe every spirit but test them & the tongues they bring 1 John 4:1-6

1 John 4:5-6 is to be applied that God's gift of tongue is never going to be sounding like pagan's supernatural tongue of gibberish nonsense which was in the world before Pentecost. That would make God mimicking the world's supernatural tongue when His tongue is for speaking unto the people. 1 Corinthians 14:20-21 is Paul giving the bottom line on what God's gift of tongues are for. Paul even gave precedent for why tongues can never be for private use here in 1 Corinthians 12:19-21 for that would be like saying to all other members in the body of Christ of having no need for them.

I'm not sure what or where the confusion is.

If you consider all the claims for tongues for private use, like self edification, giving thanks to God, worship, singing songs, giving praises, and the Holy Spirit taking time out to utter His intercessions out loud in prayer as if it needs to be done in a secret language, and yet without interpretation from another in what that tongue is saying, how is that not confusion for the individual believer using tongues for private use?

Did Jesus ever prayed in tongues so the devil doesn't know what He was praying for? No. So why does the Holy Spirit need to?

Romans 8:26-27 in KJV & ASV has Him making silent intercessions as He cannot even utter His groanings in keeping in line with what all Bibles are saying in John 16:13 that the holy Spirit cannot speak for Himself but speaks only what He hears. So Christ is not praying through the Holy Spirit back to Himself. It is not happening.

But the Holy Spirit does make intercessions for each and every believer as Jesus that searches our hearts, He knows the mind of the Spirit to give the Spirit's silent intercessions to the Father for why the father knows before we, ourselves, ask anything in prayer per Matthew 6:7-8.

But the only thing tongues for private use accomplish is separating you guys from the body of Christ. You cannot see the damage you guys do in making believers wonder why the Holy Spiri in them is not praying for them & so they doubt they have the Holy Spirit and their salvation.

So you guys indirectly are supporting that false teaching that if we do not speak in tongues, we do not have the Holy Spirit & therefore we are not saved, when we are as we are all children of God by faith in Jesus Christ, not by tongues for private use.

And there are enough replies in this thread for you to see from contenders that preach that tongue to be gained by another filling of the Holy Spirit apart from salvation which is an apostate calling as in preaching another gospel that Paul warned us about in 2 Corinthians 11:1-4 & 1 Timothy 4:1-2 & 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
 

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you said "God's gift of tongues is for speaking unto the people in their native foreign tongue for why in the assembly, it will come with interpretation, and therefore it is never for private use."

that is not true. Their is a tongue of angels as Paul stated in Corinthians. Also, the tongues in Acts are not interpreted. Sorry, I think you are pressing your own agenda and not submitting to the clear teaching of the Bible.