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I once heard of a church that considered you a lesser person if you didn't speak in tongues at church. I thought this was destructive and is the reason I comment on this issue when it comes up.
There are places that teach that and other things. Be careful about throwing the baby out with the bath water.
 
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Definitely yes! Only the children of God do understand all about God and His purposes as He revealed them in Scripture to His children.
Do not many, or most, or perhaps even all, of those children of God see through a glass, darkly, like Apostle Paul when he wrote this?

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known" I Cor. 13:12
 
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Do not many, or most, or perhaps even all, of those children of God see through a glass, darkly, like Apostle Paul when he wrote this?

"For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known" I Cor. 13:12

Yes, we know in part and prophesy in part, but we should also read our Lord Jesus' Prayer in John Chapter 17 especially verses:

3) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
6) I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7) Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8) For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9) I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

To God Be The Glory
 
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Yes, we know in part and prophesy in part, but we should also read our Lord Jesus' Prayer in John Chapter 17 especially verses:

3) And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
6) I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7) Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8) For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that didst send me.
9) I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

To God Be The Glory
Yes, always, To God be the glory!
And do not forget these words also from the same chapter and prayer:

"And now I am no more in the world... John 17:11

That was before he went to the cross to be crucified and already, he was Not in the world. He had overcome it as per this verse:

"These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world." John 16:33

The "world" he had overcome and was no longer in, was certainly Not planet Earth.

What "world" do you suppose it was that he was not praying for in verse 9, which you quoted?

"I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine." John 17:9

Likely it was the world which was to pass away:

"And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." I John 2:17

Could it be the world of temptations within each of us [that "old man" Paul talks about] if and when we, by the power of the Holy Spirit in us, overcome as Jesus overcame?

"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." I John 2:15-16
 

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Amd, of course that happens today (unless you're ready to write off missionaries as bald faced LIARS).

But if you'd care to be HONEST Biblically, you should probably read 1 Cor 14, where additional aspects of the charisma of Tongues are presented.

In 1 Corinthians 14, Apostle Paul is talking about 'known'... languages (Greek word 'glossa' there which means languages of the world). He is not talking about an 'unknown tongue', for the word 'unknown' the KJV translators ADDED in that 14th Chapter.

And the BASIS of man's theory is that it is an UNKNOWN tongue, because some wrongly think speaking gibberish is what it is. No, per the Acts 2 EVIDENCE, everyone... present heard the Apostles speak in their own languages of birth.

So either you want to STAY in The Word of God, or you do not.
 

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In 1 Corinthians 14, Apostle Paul is talking about 'known'... languages (Greek word 'glossa' there which means languages of the world). He is not talking about an 'unknown tongue', for the word 'unknown' the KJV translators ADDED in that 14th Chapter.

And the BASIS of man's theory is that it is an UNKNOWN tongue, because some wrongly think speaking gibberish is what it is. No, per the Acts 2 EVIDENCE, everyone... present heard the Apostles speak in their own languages of birth.

So either you want to STAY in The Word of God, or you do not.
So- youve never read 1 Cor 14, then??
 

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So- youve never read 1 Cor 14, then??
Bob I find it interesting that Paul references foreigners in verse 11. That seems to imply Paul is talking about language. Like speaking Spanish to a Greek. He is clearly talking about languages in verse 9-10. In verse 13 it could be understood to be saying if my native tongue is Spanish I should pray that I can interpret in Greek so they understand the Good News. But in verse 14 "For if I pray in a tongue" your Spirit prays (he must be praying in an unknown tongue/language otherwise he would understand it) but his understanding is unfruitful. IMHO verses 15-17 validates what I call speaking, singing or praying in a Spiritual Angelic language, not Spanish or German or Hebrew. It also makes it clear to me that the use of "Angelic tongues" has a limited role and edification. Verse 22 states tongues are a sign for unbelievers so what is the process of singing and praying in a tongue for unbelievers? If you do this in private it can't be for an unbeliever but if your a disciple or Apostle and you are taking the Good News to foreigners in their native language I can see how that would be a sign for unbelievers. There is a lot to unpack in 1 Corinthians 14. I think many times Paul is referencing language and not an Angelic tongue (something unknown to any tribe or nation).
 
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Bob I find it interesting that Paul references foreigners in verse 11. That seems to imply Paul is talking about language. Like speaking Spanish to a Greek. He is clearly talking about languages in verse 9-10. In verse 13 it could be understood to be saying if my native tongue is Spanish I should pray that I can interpret in Greek so they understand the Good News. But in verse 14 "For if I pray in a tongue" your Spirit prays (he must be praying in an unknown tongue/language otherwise he would understand it) but his understanding is unfruitful. IMHO verses 15-17 validates what I call speaking, singing or praying in a Spiritual Angelic language, not Spanish or German or Hebrew. It also makes it clear to me that the use of "Angelic tongues" has a limited role and edification. Verse 22 states tongues are a sign for unbelievers so what is the process of singing and praying in a tongue for unbelievers? If you do this in private it can't be for an unbeliever but if your a disciple or Apostle and you are taking the Good News to foreigners in their native language I can see how that would be a sign for unbelievers. There is a lot to unpack in 1 Corinthians 14. I think many times Paul is referencing language and not an Angelic tongue (something unknown to any tribe or nation).
Folks try to jam ALL of tongues into one "package" and claim that it's ONLY THIS, and never anything else.

In fact "tongues" is simply a subset of "Prophetic utterance" - i.e. the person is given words by the Holy Spirit and simply speaks them without adding to, or diminishing them, when they are burdened to do so. Same goes for "Interpretation of tongues", "Prophesy", "Word of Wisdom", and "Word of Knowledge".

Paul is clear in 1 Cor 14 that when there's a Tongue in a meeting, then maybe NOBODY UNDERSTANDS IT whether it's a "known human language" or not, and the subsequent gift of INTERPRETATION is required so that the meeting is edified. I.e. Tongues + Interpretation = Prophesy.

However tongues NOT spoken in a meeting (private use), are EDIFYING to the speaker, and constitute speaking to God (Prayer). critics seem to thing this is a BAD THING, but what's wrong with Self edification?? the more edified you are, the better minister your are (duh).

Personally, I've spoken in tongues privately since 1972 when the ability to do so was gifted. BUT, I HAVE NEVER been burdened to speak a MESSAGE IN A TONGUE to a congregation, so in the context of "do all speak in tongues?" (As a ministerial gift to the Church) - I don't. I HAVE been burdened to Interpret in meetings, but never to deliver "tongues".

Recorded manifestations in recent years include:
Speaking in tongues in personal worship (common)
Speaking in tongues in a meeting, which are subsequently Interpreted, either by the tongues speak themselves, or by another so gifted. (common)
Speaking in tongues which are understood by another without being interpreted (and often in the proper regional accent of the hearer). (not so common)
Speaking in the common language, and being understood in one or more different languages by the hearers. (rare)

Paul never says that the tongues spoken by the Corinthians are PHONY, but He does give criteria for their use in a public meeting. Since the Corinthians were a flesh-driven bunch, and were Judging each other according to "gifts" (I do healings - all YOU do is Interpret tongues. I'm Better than you - in fact I don't need YOU at all), the likelihood is that in the meetings people were blabbing their private tongues just to "Show off" - so there was no interpretation, since there was no real "Message in tongues".

IF you are burdened to Speak in tongues in a meeting, then the Holy Spirit (who choreographs the gifts) will already have lined up an interpreter(s) to speak when you're done. I remember an instance in Marion Ohio, where a tongue was spoken, and the fellow to my Left began to speak the interpretation, ANd while he was speaking, I was given the burden to speak, and when he stopped, I picked up and continued the interpretation, until I ran out of words, whereupon the fellow to my righ picked it up where I'd left off, and took it home. I'd heard of that happening, but never had been part of that before (or after).

Whether ANY of the tongues spoken under the unction of the Holy Spirit are "Angelic Tongues" or not is rank speculation.

IN GENERAL nobody "Has Gifts" (in terms of "owning them") since they're temporary enablements, but some folks tend to be burdened with the same gift in a repetitive fashion (like me with "Interpretation").
 
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Bob I find it interesting that Paul references foreigners in verse 11. That seems to imply Paul is talking about language. Like speaking Spanish to a Greek. He is clearly talking about languages in verse 9-10. In verse 13 it could be understood to be saying if my native tongue is Spanish I should pray that I can interpret in Greek so they understand the Good News. But in verse 14 "For if I pray in a tongue" your Spirit prays (he must be praying in an unknown tongue/language otherwise he would understand it) but his understanding is unfruitful. IMHO verses 15-17 validates what I call speaking, singing or praying in a Spiritual Angelic language, not Spanish or German or Hebrew. It also makes it clear to me that the use of "Angelic tongues" has a limited role and edification. Verse 22 states tongues are a sign for unbelievers so what is the process of singing and praying in a tongue for unbelievers? If you do this in private it can't be for an unbeliever but if your a disciple or Apostle and you are taking the Good News to foreigners in their native language I can see how that would be a sign for unbelievers. There is a lot to unpack in 1 Corinthians 14. I think many times Paul is referencing language and not an Angelic tongue (something unknown to any tribe or nation).

Hello Texbow,
Very good post and I agree fully. Where do folks get that an "Angelic tongue" is anything but the actual languages of the people they might have brought messages to, and many angels brought God's messages to many in the bible, spoke in their own language...there were no "interpreters" in the O.T. as far as I am aware of. It is all the "sensational" and, God does not direct us to seek "signs and wonders". But, this is a pet doctrine to many yet, ALL the other things that is to follow those who believe ae NEVER mentioned. If one is speaking in "tongues", why not handle snakes and drink poison too? It's all in the same verse. I can bet that most who DO speak in tongues would NEVER touch a rattlesnake, nor do I think they drink poison.
What you mention about speaking to those who need to hear the Gospel but do not speak your language...then YES, this makes a ton of sense. And also, when Paul was bitten by a nasty viper, he just flung it off his hand and was fine while the others present were certain he would die. It is easy also to imagine many pf Paul's enemies trying to poison him through food or drink...pretending to be his friend. Nothing in the bible to back that, but it sure does make sense.
I have been given the moniker of "cessationist" and some say I am not saved unless speaking in tongues. Do ALL speak in tongues"? NO. You have touched upon all the things that I have thought of, researched, prayed about and even at one time "faked" the tongues...and years later, I find that many I knew from that church in the early 90's also admitted they faked it to "fit in". I am not saying that God can do anything, He can!...yet, there is something that just gives me chills and raises the little hairs on the back of my neck when listening to a FULL congregation speaking non-words. It felt like, "gee, I could be worshipping Satan for all I know". Not to mention, nobody EVER translated. Biblical?

1 Corinthians 14:23

“If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?” <---YES!
Good post bro!
 

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So- youve never read 1 Cor 14, then??

Of course I've read it, but not with charismatic's ideas added to it.

Have you never read Acts 2 then, since it sounds like you think the gibberish tongue some speak today is the true cloven tongue?
 

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Folks try to jam ALL of tongues into one "package" and claim that it's ONLY THIS, and never anything else.

In fact "tongues" is simply a subset of "Prophetic utterance" - i.e. the person is given words by the Holy Spirit and simply speaks them without adding to, or diminishing them, when they are burdened to do so. Same goes for "Interpretation of tongues", "Prophesy", "Word of Wisdom", and "Word of Knowledge".

Paul is clear in 1 Cor 14 that when there's a Tongue in a meeting, then maybe NOBODY UNDERSTANDS IT whether it's a "known human language" or not, and the subsequent gift of INTERPRETATION is required so that the meeting is edified. I.e. Tongues + Interpretation = Prophesy.

However tongues NOT spoken in a meeting (private use), are EDIFYING to the speaker, and constitute speaking to God (Prayer). critics seem to thing this is a BAD THING, but what's wrong with Self edification?? the more edified you are, the better minister your are (duh).

Personally, I've spoken in tongues privately since 1972 when the ability to do so was gifted. BUT, I HAVE NEVER been burdened to speak a MESSAGE IN A TONGUE to a congregation, so in the context of "do all speak in tongues?" (As a ministerial gift to the Church) - I don't. I HAVE been burdened to Interpret in meetings, but never to deliver "tongues".

Recorded manifestations in recent years include:
Speaking in tongues in personal worship (common)
Speaking in tongues in a meeting, which are subsequently Interpreted, either by the tongues speak themselves, or by another so gifted. (common)
Speaking in tongues which are understood by another without being interpreted (and often in the proper regional accent of the hearer). (not so common)
Speaking in the common language, and being understood in one or more different languages by the hearers. (rare)

Paul never says that the tongues spoken by the Corinthians are PHONY, but He does give criteria for their use in a public meeting. Since the Corinthians were a flesh-driven bunch, and were Judging each other according to "gifts" (I do healings - all YOU do is Interpret tongues. I'm Better than you - in fact I don't need YOU at all), the likelihood is that in the meetings people were blabbing their private tongues just to "Show off" - so there was no interpretation, since there was no real "Message in tongues".

IF you are burdened to Speak in tongues in a meeting, then the Holy Spirit (who choreographs the gifts) will already have lined up an interpreter(s) to speak when you're done. I remember an instance in Marion Ohio, where a tongue was spoken, and the fellow to my Left began to speak the interpretation, ANd while he was speaking, I was given the burden to speak, and when he stopped, I picked up and continued the interpretation, until I ran out of words, whereupon the fellow to my righ picked it up where I'd left off, and took it home. I'd heard of that happening, but never had been part of that before (or after).

Whether ANY of the tongues spoken under the unction of the Holy Spirit are "Angelic Tongues" or not is rank speculation.

IN GENERAL nobody "Has Gifts" (in terms of "owning them") since they're temporary enablements, but some folks tend to be burdened with the same gift in a repetitive fashion (like me with "Interpretation").
I agree that much of the issue with tongues is the incorrect application of Angelic tongue vs. unknown language. Please understand I use the word Angelic just so it's clear that I'm not talking about Spanish, Greek, Hebrew or any of the native languages of tribes etc. A word spoken that only the Spirit understands, God understands and not anyone else unless given the gift of interpretation. I 100% agree with your manifestation list. What I do not agree with is any of those manifestations becoming necessary for salvation, as some necessary sign. I'm confident God doesn't need a sign of the condition of my soul. It is simply a gift of the Spirit much like many other gifts, no more of importance than any other gift and maybe lower than some. We should seek all gifts. Churches that make speaking in tongues a central part of their worship I think are missing the mark. The same with healing and any other sign gift. This leads to some walking away from the faith, some feeling like they are never born again, a Church environment that is all evangelist centered and never the full teaching of Gods word. The Pastor keeps saving the choir over and over again. A Pastor that never gets out of Paul's epistles and ignores large parts of the Bible. I find that my theology is between the Assembly of God denomination and the Calvary Chapel non denomination group. Agreeing mostly with both but not on everything with both. I've found that within these groups there can be differences, not all AOG Churches are the same for example. I'm really more interested in Jesus and the Holy Spirits guidance in his word then I am any corporate group.
 
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Folks try to jam ALL of tongues into one "package" and claim that it's ONLY THIS, and never anything else.

In fact "tongues" is simply a subset of "Prophetic utterance" -

Actually the "groaning's that cant be uttered " is a prayer language..... This is what charismatics and pentecostals do, and they think its one of the 9 Gifts of the Spirit.
So, good luck trying to make them realize that its not, as they are so proud of their "utterance" that for them to accept that they are not speaking in tongues, is too much truth for their pride to accept.
And of course, they have a liar in the pulpit telling them its the "gift of tongues".
That's not a good situation, but they are not about to change it any time soon, as its fun to pretend.

Reader...."tongues', is a foreign language.
Its like this..
An Apostle, like Peter, goes to Mexico.....and a crowd of Mexican's gathers around him.
Well, do these Mexican's speak Hebrew?
YET< God sent Peter to them......and for the Mexican's to understand Peter, what does God have to do.?
ENTER : "the gift of tongues".. "sign's of an Apostle".
See that?
You dont have to be Einstein to understand the concept.
This isn't difficult to understand, unless you've have 40 yrs of being taught a lot of nonsense.
And in that case, this "tongues" stuff, seems so confusing...
But its not........what is confusing is people who are confused, trying to teach, when the need instead to be quiet and learn.
 

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Actually the "groaning's that cant be uttered " is a prayer language.....

It's obvious you're not even showing you understand the idea of language by saying that. That "groanings which cannot be uttered" of Romans 8:26 is not even about a language, since it says those 'sighs' (Greek stenagmos) cannot be 'uttered' (Greek alaletos, unspeakable). Languages are... uttered, i.e., spoken.

So what that verse actually does is to disprove charismatic's idea of a prayer language.
 

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Actually the "groaning's that cant be uttered " is a prayer language..... This is what charismatics and pentecostals do, and they think its one of the 9 Gifts of the Spirit.
So, good luck trying to make them realize that its not, as they are so proud of their "utterance" that for them to accept that they are not speaking in tongues, is too much truth for their pride to accept.
And of course, they have a liar in the pulpit telling them its the "gift of tongues".
That's not a good situation, but they are not about to change it any time soon, as its fun to pretend.

Reader...."tongues', is a foreign language.
Its like this..
An Apostle, like Peter, goes to Mexico.....and a crowd of Mexican's gathers around him.
Well, do these Mexican's speak Hebrew?
YET< God sent Peter to them......and for the Mexican's to understand Peter, what does God have to do.?
ENTER : "the gift of tongues".. "sign's of an Apostle".
See that?
You dont have to be Einstein to understand the concept.
This isn't difficult to understand, unless you've have 40 yrs of being taught a lot of nonsense.
And in that case, this "tongues" stuff, seems so confusing...
But its not........what is confusing is people who are confused, trying to teach, when the need instead to be quiet and learn.
1 Corinthians 13:1
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
In pursuit of truth verse 13:1 seems clear that there is a tongue of angels. Paul is saying that he speaks in tongues of men and tongues of Angels. That's two different things.
 

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1 Corinthians 13:1
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
In pursuit of truth verse 13:1 seems clear that there is a tongue of angels. Paul is saying that he speaks in tongues of men and tongues of Angels. That's two different things.

Paul didn't say... he did by that, he said, "Though...", which per the Greek is a 'conditional particle'...


NT:1437
ean (eh-an'); from NT:1487 and NT:302; a conditional particle; in case that, provided, etc.; often used in connection with other particles to denote indefiniteness or uncertainty:

KJV - before, but, except, (and) if, (if) so, (what-, whither-) soever, though, when (-soever), whether (or), to whom, [who-] so (-ever). See NT:3361.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

By that Paul is only giving an analogy...
 

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Paul didn't say... he did by that, he said, "Though...", which per the Greek is a 'conditional particle'...


NT:1437
ean (eh-an'); from NT:1487 and NT:302; a conditional particle; in case that, provided, etc.; often used in connection with other particles to denote indefiniteness or uncertainty:

KJV - before, but, except, (and) if, (if) so, (what-, whither-) soever, though, when (-soever), whether (or), to whom, [who-] so (-ever). See NT:3361.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

By that Paul is only giving an analogy...
Obvious scripture gymnastics Davy. The plain reading of the scripture is advised. Your explanation if applied across the Bible would make it one big blob of text that allows anyone to define any verse as they wish. Our God is not a God of confusion. Even with your attempt to change we would need to accept that Paul used in his "analogy" something that didn't exist. No not buying it.
 

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1 Corinthians 13:1
Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angel.

Reader.... that is Paul who is speaking with tongues of angels.
Listen...
Paul was stoned to death, went to heaven, and talked about the "revelation".
Paul is a very unique Christian experience, and He is an Apostle and you are not.
Not you, not the Pope or Mary.

See, Paul had some gifts and spiritual abilities that no other Christian had.

Let me show you one reader...

Go to Acts of the APOSTLES , Chapter 13:11, and notice that Paul caused a Male WITCH to go BLIND.

Some of your are blind about this idea of "love"......."love love love"......and you think that if you are corrected, to try to help you, then someone is "not showing love".

Well, was Paul showing "love" when he cause that man to go blind ??
Was the Holy Spirit showing "Love" when 2 dropped dead trying to con the Apostles, lying to the Holy Spirit? (Ananias and Sapphira)
Was Christ showing love when He made a whip and used it to run people out of the Temple in Jerusalem, turning over tables in the process?
Was God showing love when he burned homosexuals and similar perverts in Sodom and G?
Was God showing LOVE when he drowned everything that can breath that was not in Noah's Ark?
Is God showing Love, ..... when 2nd Thessalonians 1:8-9 tells you that Jesus is coming back in flaming fire to take VENGEANCE upon the unbelievers, the Christ rejectors, and the blood will be running like a red river, world wide?
See, there is your "Jesus the same yesterday, today, and forever".
See Him?
Hes THAT King., and He's coming back soon.
Believe it. !
 

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Reader.... that is Paul who is speaking with tongues of angels.
Listen...
Paul was stoned to death, went to heaven, and talked about the "revelation".
Paul is a very unique Christian experience, and He is an Apostle and you are not.
Not you, not the Pope or Mary.

See, Paul had some gifts and spiritual abilities that no other Christian had.

Let me show you one reader...

Go to Acts of the APOSTLES , Chapter 13:11, and notice that Paul caused a Male WITCH to go BLIND.

Some of your are blind about this idea of "love"......."love love love"......and you think that if you are corrected, to try to help you, then someone is "not showing love".

Well, was Paul showing "love" when he cause that man to go blind ??
Was the Holy Spirit showing "Love" when 2 dropped dead trying to con the Apostles, lying to the Holy Spirit? (Ananias and Sapphira)
Was Christ showing love when He made a whip and used it to run people out of the Temple in Jerusalem, turning over tables in the process?
Was God showing love when he burned homosexuals and similar perverts in Sodom and G?
Was God showing LOVE when he drowned everything that can breath that was not in Noah's Ark?
Is God showing Love, ..... when 2nd Thessalonians 1:8-9 tells you that Jesus is coming back in flaming fire to take VENGEANCE upon the unbelievers, the Christ rejectors, and the blood will be running like a red river, world wide?
See, there is your "Jesus the same yesterday, today, and forever".
See Him?
Hes THAT King., and He's coming back soon.
Believe it. !
Yes God has love and God has wrath. Praying in the Spirit is only for Paul?
 

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... This is what charismatics and pentecostals do, and they think its one of the 9 Gifts of the Spirit.
So, good luck trying to make them realize that its not, as they are so proud of their "utterance" that for them to accept that they are not speaking in tongues, is too much truth for their pride to accept.
And of course, they have a liar in the pulpit telling them its the "gift of tongues".
That's not a good situation, but they are not about to change it any time soon, as its fun to pretend.
And your words come from where... criticizing the ones you mention as if you knew them all and knew all of their hearts?

"But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." Matt 12:36-37