The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

Ronald David Bruno said:

Leviticus and Deuteronomy were specifically written to and for the chosen nation, Israel and not applicable to Christians.,The Jews were scattered throughout the world since 70 AD. AND they were regathered and brought back to their home since 1948.
The ten commandments were also given to them that they "might" keep them. They didn't. They were the test case for the world and failed. So Christ came and fulfilled the requirements of the Law for us and gave us Grace. We are under Grace and live with and practice abiding by the Law of Love now: Love God and love one another. All the laws fall under these two!
The Ten Commandments stand as a pillar of righteousness that we have all failed to keep. It shows us what sin is and therefore remains for all unbelievers to be judged with - unless they seek the Lord for forgiveness.

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Seeing how Jesus even confirmed that the Jews were keeping those commandments to obtain eternal life by is why are no longer under the Old Covenant but the New Covenant because we are saved for having come to & believed in Jesus Christ apart from the requirement of the law under the Old Covenant.

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

So we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

So as you have shared, the two greatest commandments for abiding in Him is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & love one another.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.....

22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

Christ4Me said:

Seeing how Jesus even confirmed that the Jews were keeping those commandments to obtain eternal life by is why are no longer under the Old Covenant but the New Covenant because we are saved for having come to & believed in Jesus Christ apart from the requirement of the law under the Old Covenant.

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

So we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

So as you have shared, the two greatest commandments for abiding in Him is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & love one another.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.....

22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

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Mmmm. That really does beg the question doesn't it. Do you really think that if you asked Jesus today, what must you do to enter life, would He reply, "you don't have to keep the Commandments?" In other words, it's okay to keep on sinning? The heaven will be full of active sinners, their characters unchanged and no different to those in hell?

Backlit said:

Mmmm. That really does beg the question doesn't it. Do you really think that if you asked Jesus today, what must you do to enter life, would He reply, "you don't have to keep the Commandments?" In other words, it's okay to keep on sinning? The heaven will be full of active sinners, their characters unchanged and no different to those in hell?

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Let us be clear on what the Jews were keeping the ten commandments for; to obtain eternal life.

Jesus has saved you ever since you had come to Him & believed in Him at the calling of the gospel.

So are you keeping the ten commandments to obtain eternal life or do you believe you are saved since having believed in Jesus Christ for salvation?

We keep His commandments in 1 John 3:22-24 for abiding in Him as His disciples so that we may bear fruit & our joy may be full.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.....

22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

It's kind of hard, nearly impossible, for any one to see your faith in Jesus Christ if you believe you have to keep the sabbath to obtain eternal life.

Backlit said:

Mmmm. That really does beg the question doesn't it. Do you really think that if you asked Jesus today, what must you do to enter life, would He reply, "you don't have to keep the Commandments?" In other words, it's okay to keep on sinning? The heaven will be full of active sinners, their characters unchanged and no different to those in hell?

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I believe if we are honest with ourselves. And we asked him, we would know he would tell us there was Nothing we could do. Because that is what the Bible says. There is nothing we can do,

I understand why he told this pharisee this. Because he wanted the pharisee to think for himself. Sadly the pharisee did not get it. And sadly, I fear many people today do not get it.

GEN2REV said:

Did you read the OP, Ron?

All that was addressed.

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Yes, you dished out Deuteronomy as if it applied to the Church. It does not. You said we were all scattered. That scripture applies to Israel. The Church is not Israel. (see Rom. 11).
The Ten Commandments leave out much of the full spectrum of sin. Jesus rebuked the Pharisees for forgetting the weightier laws of mercy and forgiveness. Think of it. If you kept each of the ten commandments for a given period of time, you could do that without helping anyone, forgiving anyone for their trespasses against you or showing mercy. With the exception of honoring your parents which is a form of love, there isn't much love towards our neighbor required of us in these commandments. We are showing respect for their property but we could completely ignore them by restricting our obedience to what not to do. Not sinning against them is good, but if that is all you do, it is not much.

GEN2REV said:

They were an opposing group (I believe they were Purist Jews - Pharisees/Sadducees?)

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Yes, they were indeed a group of very purist Jews. They were Essenes. This is a dead giveaway from Paul's statement that they "delighted in the worship of the angels." Some think he means they were literally worshipping angels, but the Jews were staunch Monotheists. What sort of strict, purist Jews would be caught dead worshipping angels? Nor is there any record whatsoever of such a group in 1st century Judaism. There IS however record of the Essenes, who most certainly believed they were literally joining in with the worship of the angels in Heaven during Sabbath services, hence the real meaning of how they were "delighting in the worship of the angels." It was a major tenet of their religion in fact, and so was being downright fanatical about "taste not, touch not, and handle not." They also went by a solar calendar rather than a lunar one, which put their sabbaths occurring on different days from the rest of Judaism, hence why they were judging others concerning things like Sabbaths.

Let me know if you're listening or if you think this sounds like quackery.

GEN2REV said:

It's an unbreakable Truth. Just as Jesus, The Rock, is The Unbreakable Truth.

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As I contend, no law of God is broken by the appearing of Christ. Some are simply not needed anymore in regard to their literal keeping. For example, God looks at us in regard to the law of Passover and says, "I see no violation of law here." Even though we haven't lifted a finger to sacrifice a lamb in accordance with the literal law of Passover. Because Christ, our Passover Lamb, has been applied to our account through our faith. And so His sacrifice is the reason we don't have to keep the literal Mosaic Passover observance anymore. And so it is with the other outward ceremonial worship laws. Christ is the fulfilment of those laws, not the breaking of those laws, so that no debt of law remains regarding those, and so God sees no violation of those laws when he sees us.

Cassandra said:

and how about this one in Revelation?
Rev 14:12 "Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus." They keep WHAT?

And @Ferris Bueller , you know darn good and well that the 10 commandments were separate because they were written with the finger of God, and the others were written down by Moses. You keep saying the same old thing.
Do you believe God would put a ceremonial law into the 10 Commandments? Why were all the other ceremonial laws written down by Moses, and yet the Sabbath one (which you evidently think was ceremonial) written with the finger of God?

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The Ten are a summary of God's laws, magnified, and sufficient to condemn fallen man. Rest is a major theme of God's law. I think every festival observance has rest included in it. But like I say, rest is to be understood in regard to it's spiritual reality - rest from the slavery of the flesh. And so it is not a surprise it is included in the summary of God's laws, magnified and distinguished from the whole law so that even the most distant person from God knows about the Big Ten (but how many know the particulars of God's law embodied in Moses' writings?).

Christ4Me said:

Seeing how Jesus even confirmed that the Jews were keeping those commandments to obtain eternal life by is why are no longer under the Old Covenant but the New Covenant because we are saved for having come to & believed in Jesus Christ apart from the requirement of the law under the Old Covenant.

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? 21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

So we are saved by faith in Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.... 26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

So as you have shared, the two greatest commandments for abiding in Him is to believe in the Lord Jesus Christ & love one another.

1 John 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.....

22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.

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All should remember that at the time Jesus said those things, they were still under the Law, yet He brought us the New Covenant - BELIEVE IN ME.

Grailhunter said:

So you guys have pooled your minds and still do not get it. I guess I could say, "Welcome to the proud crowd." LOL
People have a tendency to study like peeling an apple. Only knowing that thin little bit.

Remember the Y2K scare....the end of time....the return of Christ....expected 2000 years after Christ's birth. LOL

If is common knowledge that the Gregorian Calendar is about 5 to 6 years off. How did Christians miss this? It is how they study.

We know that Herod the Great died in March of 4BC. We know what he died of. We know of the name and history of his successor. Josephus records that Herod died between an eclipse of the Moon (usually taken to be that of 4 BC March 12-13)

Now for the story of the Christ's birth and him being back home on Nazareth and the Magi to going to his home and their journey to Egypt and the murder of innocents....this all has to happen before his death, probably before he became ill.

So people should have calculated the time to be 1994-1995, but people do not study that deep.

There is only one set of Laws that God called the Ten Commandments. There is only one set of Ten Commandments that God said, Be sure to observe what I command you this day...

There is only one set of Ten Commandments that God said, Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel. And they are not in chapter 20 of Exodus.

There is only one set of Ten Commandments that God told Moses to write on the two Tablets of the Testimony.

So he (Moses) wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.

And you guys are not even discussing the actual Ten Commandments.

I see this over and over again....you do not study the Bible as much as popular beliefs.

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I am familiar with the 4BC date that Josephus attached Herod's death to, a particular lunar eclipse in 4BC.
However there was a more likely eclipse on Dec. 29, 1BC. It was even more visible than the one in 4BC. Joseph although brilliant, might have been in error.

Herod’s Death, Jesus’ Birth and a Lunar Eclipse

So the calendar is probably only 2 years off.

Ronald David Bruno said:

I am familiar with the 4BC date that Josephus attached Herod's death to, a particular lunar eclipse in 4BC.
However there was a more likely eclipse on Dec. 29, 1BC. It was even more visible than the one in 4BC. Joseph although brilliant, might have been in error.

Herod’s Death, Jesus’ Birth and a Lunar Eclipse

So the calendar is probably only 2 years off.

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Well there was an eclipse in 1 BC but Herod did die in 4 BC so if you want to include the events in the Bible you have go back a few years.

This is not new information and there is more than just Herod death because as time went on more information has come to light.
You can track some of the events of 4 BC, give or take a year. One of the events is that his son Herod Archelaus reign began in 4 BC and it was short and ended in 9-10 AD. He was followed by a succession of Roman governors: Ambiblus (A.D. 9-12), Annius Rufus (A.D. 12-15), Valerius Gratus (A.D. 15-26), and Pontius Pilate (A.D. 26-36).

Herod the Great's history involved Herod killing family members and other rivals. The history of Cleopatra and Anthony are tied in with him.

Keep in mind that there is no year zero....one year passes between 1BC and 1AD.

GEN2REV said:

Are we not supposed to walk as Jesus walked if we profess to be Christians and desire all the promises of God?
1 John 2:6

Did Jesus obey the 10 Commandments?
John 15:10

Is the Sabbath one of the foundational 10 Commandments of God(Jesus)?

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Did His disciples keep the sabbath by picking ears of corn on the sabbath day? No, they did not.

Jesus did not defend them by saying they did not profane the sabbath, but rather defended by how they were guiltless for profaning the sabbath by testifying One greater than the Temple was here.

You have to ask Jesus for the truth in His words in Matthew 12:1-8 for why He is able to make us stand today for profaning the sabbath.

Matthew 12:1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn and to eat. 2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day. 3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him; 4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests? 5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless? 6 But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple. 7 But if ye had known what this meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless. 8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Ferris Bueller said:

but how many know the particulars of God's law embodied in Moses' writings?).

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WE are speaking of the law written by the finger of God.

You said this, too ". Rest is a major theme of God's law. I think every festival observance has rest included in it. But like I say, rest is to be understood in regard to it's spiritual reality - rest from the slavery of the flesh.'

There are ceremonial sabbaths, and there is THE Sabbath. You are free to believe whatever you want.

quietthinker said:

The 10 Commandments are FOREVER
did they exist prior to creation?

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They're of God. One might then answer, yes.