Jehovah is either God or He is not, correct?

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Keiw

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Neither Jehovah nor Yahweh are mentioned by name any more in any Scripture after calling Him by name Jesus.

LORD however is mentioned as the returning LORD of LORDS to earth: Jesus Christ.

You idolize a name by an all-caps ideology.

Once you believe Jesus as the only Lord and Savior for all mankind, you will then perhaps be able to move on from the OT to the New.

By the Word's name Jehovah, He was not known by Abraham, but first made known to Moses and the children of Israel, where Christ gave them the law of Moses.


Your words prove 0--my post is 100% truth. Actually it is God( YHWH) who does it all through Jesus( Acts 2:22) There is no name -Jesus in the OT. Actually in the NT where the name belongs in the OT where the OT is quoted that name does belong in the NT. All who actually know Jesus knows that name was the most important name--Hallowed be thy name=Father-YHWH(Jehovah) And at John 17:26--Jesus promises to keep on making his Fathers name known=YHWH(Jehovah) and he does-Through his real teachers and followers.
And in Ezekial it says about 20x- for then and now--They will have to know i am YHWH)Jehovah)
 

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Psalm 110--The LORD( YHWH) said to my lord( Jesus) --proves 100% Jesus is not YHWH.. YHWH is always all capitols LORD in the OT. As you can plainly see lord is there for Jesus. And maybe youdont know but YHWH(Jehovah) inspired his name in nearly 6800 spots in the OT. Wicked men removed it, they had no right, Every spot-GOD or LORD all capitols is the tetragramoton belongs( YHWH) Then the ones lacking love for God to put that name back, condemned the ones who had the love to put it back--That is pure darkness on their part and all who listen to them.
Who said I am the first and the last?
 

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You better relook, you are in error-- Ho Theos was only called to the true God in the NT. Plain Theos to all others called god.

YOU need to look at greek texts. But for your education:

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YOu are just wrong. Tell your masters they need to learn the bible better before they send you out with lies.
 

Keiw

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YOU need to look at greek texts. But for your education:

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YOu are just wrong. Tell your masters they need to learn the bible better before they send you out with lies.


I have seen the way it is written. Its you who are in error. There were other translations that did it correct in the 1800,s--rejected by the darkness.
 

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Jesus was first and last in many things. He however is not YHWH.

Isa 44:6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. ... Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any


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Looks like Yahwe says He is the first and the Last, there are two spoken of here, looks like Yahwe the King, and Yahwe the Redeemer
 
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Isa 44:6 Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. ... Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any


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Looks like Yahwe says He is the first and the Last, there are two spoken of here, looks like Yahwe the King, and Yahwe the Redeemer

YHWH is the first and last God--His son is not God. No son is his Father.
 

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The true proof of Jehovah LORD being the preincarnate Word and Christ, is that all His OT prophecies of Himself performing His work on this earth is fulfilled in NT Scriptures of the Lord Jesus Christ.

There is no OT prophecy found in Scripture about the coming of the LORD and Redeemer, and Savior that is not confirmed by NT Scripture in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

For any Jehovah idolizer to say the LORD of old is not the Lord in the New, they must therefore count their Jehovah as a liar, not fulfilling any of the prophecies He gave to His prophets about Himself and His redeeming, saving, and judging work on this earth.

Likewise they must reject on NT Scriptures confirming the promises of old by Jehovah Himself were fulfilled, and shall be fulfilled by Jesus Christ.

Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

The Gentiles never come to God confess Jehovah, but to confess Jesus.
 

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The true proof of Jehovah LORD being the preincarnate Word and Christ, is that all His OT prophecies of Himself performing His work on this earth is fulfilled in NT Scriptures of the Lord Jesus Christ.

There is no OT prophecy found in Scripture about the coming of the LORD and Redeemer, and Savior that is not confirmed by NT Scripture in our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

For any Jehovah idolizer to say the LORD of old is not the Lord in the New, they must therefore count their Jehovah as a liar, not fulfilling any of the prophecies He gave to His prophets about Himself and His redeeming, saving, and judging work on this earth.

Likewise they must reject on NT Scriptures confirming the promises of old by Jehovah Himself were fulfilled, and shall be fulfilled by Jesus Christ.

Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: And that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy; as it is written, For this cause I will confess to thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto thy name.

The Gentiles never come to God confess Jehovah, but to confess Jesus.


Its you who are mistaken YHWH is not called lord in the OT. Wicked men removed YHWH from nearly 6800 places every spot-GOD or LORD all capitols is in the OT Why? To decieve. The word LORD does not belong there. God is called Sovereign Lord in the OT-200 Places in Ezekial alone. Jehovah is doing it all through Jesus, that is what you arent seeing-Acts 2:22
 

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This was Gods advice to all-- Be like the Boreans and make sure of all things.
You won, you got me on that very astute observation. I have missed that advice all along - wo is me! I was blind and now I see. Be like the Boreans! Thank you.
 
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The children of Israel (formerly Jacob) are his bloodline descendants. They mentioned over 600 times in the Old Testament ... All descended from Twelve tribes. Of course the JW's think they are. Actually I have some Jewish blood. But that was the chosen nation. Then Christ came and grafted the Gentiles into Him.
Without the correct concept of the nature of God, without receiving the baptism of Holy Spirit and the crazy notion that Jesus is Michael, you just won't understand or receive the truth. It is amazing that you bring up scriptures to defend your case,and fail to understand them with any depth.,Gal. 6:6 for instance. What you sow is what you reap. This is a fundamental truth. Sow good receive good, sow evil, receive evil. Sowing to the Spirit means what to you - when you believe the Spirit is not a person but a force. You arw sowing to a force?
Well, may the force be with with you!

The highest angel in heaven is named Michael, Jesus was called something prior to coming to earth, and his name was not the Word, rather that was a title given him as he has always been God's spokesman. Michael means who is like God. Sure it is our opinion as of now, but it was clearly written in your version of the Bible that Michael and his angels ousted satan from heaven, and likely you will admit that the prince who opposes the devil in Daniel is Jesus, and the Bible clearly shows that Jesus is in charge of the angels when he returns to do the battle of Armageddon. Yes we believe Michael is Jesus' heavenly name, and that he is the highest angel (meaning of Archangel).

Jesus said quite clearly that the Kingdom would be taken from Israel and given to a nation producing it's fruits (Matthew 21:42, 43) 42 Jesus said to them: “Did you never read in the Scriptures, ‘The stone that the builders rejected, this has become the chief cornerstone. This has come from Jehovah, and it is marvelous in our eyes’? 43 This is why I say to you, the Kingdom of God will be taken from you and be given to a nation producing its fruits. . .

I showed you previously that those of the new covenant are from all nations, tribes, peoples and tongues sir Rev 5:9,10

Accept it or reject it, your choice. Time will reveal if either one of us is correct in our understanding on this.
 

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Interesting that if that name (made up in the 16th Century btw) was so well known, why does it not appear in the New Testament? Why did Jesus never mention the name? Because He is YHWH. (which can be translated Yeshua saves).
Look up Jehovah in any New Testament Greek Interlineary Bible - it isn't there!

Since the Bible does not exist the point is mute sir. You are indicating it is not there, I am stating point blank is was. There is no possible way that any serious person of God who quoted a verse from the old testament who recorded it in the new testament would alter Gods name. There are literally over 200 verses in the Greek Scriptures that were quoted from the Hebrew that contained God's name.

Let me ask you point blank, do you honestly believe that Jesus when quoting Deut 6:13 to satan at Mat 4:10 would have changed Jehovah to Lord? I don't. Actually wouldn't that be considered a sin?

As far as I know as well, every english version of the Bible has God's name in Revelation. What is HalleluJah sir?
 

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If you read from your Bible that inserted Jehovah in it, then with your beliefs, yeah, it would be silly, but not in the KJV.

Regardless, Jesus is Jehovah as the God men had seen in the O.T. and not the Father. Just as a reminder.

What are the names of the two individuals mentioned in Psalms 110:1 sir?
 

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Jehovah's name first appears in Scripture at Gen 2:4 Rob.

And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. (Ex 6)

You make up doctrine contrary to Scripture.

It is interesting that God's name was quite well known among people during the time of Moses, as obviously it was handed down.

And now you obviously make up social history to support your made up doctrine. Yes, it is very interesting indeed.

Clearly Abraham knew it, by what he named the alter.

One of you is lying, Jehovah in Ex 6, or you now. You now of course. Look, you're not doing yourself any good at all by directly contradicting Scripture of God, and trying to tell everyone what 'really' happened.

Truthfully the first five books of the Bible did not exist until after the Exodus

The Scriptures for them were known of God from the beginning, because the Word watched and watches all things come to pass from beginning to end. When He gave those Scriptures into the world is up for debate. If He gave the first books to Moses to write, then so be it. They Scriptures being written into the world perfect and entire is the main thing.

and even though He did not have covenanted people, He did make a covenant with Abraham about his descendants, so the people He was about to release were His people sir.

Don't see how it matters to the point at hand, but yeah, agree.

Whether Jehovah is God or not is an opinion at this time.

Not for me. Jehovah was God in the beginning: the Word. And He made Himself known as Jehovah first to Moses and the children of Israel.

We have differing opinions

The opinion we differ on is your created christ, and Scripture's the true God Jesus Christ.

You posed a leading question about whether Jehovah was God or not, which was never the question. The real question is how the name of the Word was made known as Jehovah, and then made known as Jesus, when the Word was made flesh.

, however the Bible states very clearly that Jehovah is God, I take that as fact sir.

"I would take that as an axiom." (Spock)

You still try to worship a name, not the risen God of Israel now named Jesus.

Would you like to discuss any of these points Robert? I stated openly Jehovah's name first occurred in Gen 2:4, is that a fact or fiction sir?
 
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