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robert derrick

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So " sins no more"- your claim- doesn't mean sins no more? And I went to a Christian school.
The favorite past time of OSAS is to equate go and sin no more, with go and be sinless perfection.

They do so to justify their going to sin some more and more.

That Christian school was probably your indoctrinated problem.
 

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Lol, splitting hairs. If you have sin, it's not just in one part of you. All sin is lust of one kind or another and lust is always about pride.
"And they love to sit at the head table at banquets and in the seats of honor in the synagogues. They love to receive respectful greetings as they walk in the marketplaces, and to be called ‘Rabbi.’ … But those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted” (Matthew 23:6–12, NLT).
Humility is the gospel in a nutshell. It starts with humility and humility is the only way to remain in Christ.
Inducing pride is Satan's main tactic because it separates us from God. Not because we suddenly lose our salvation, but because it disrupts friendship with God.

"How you have fallen from heaven, morning star, son of the dawn! You have been cast down to the earth, you who once laid low the nations! You said in your heart, “I will ascend to the heavens; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit enthroned on the mount of assembly, on the utmost heights of Mount Zaphon. I will ascend above the tops of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High.” But you are brought down to the realm of the dead, to the depths of the pit. (NIV)

Satan is all about pride.

Am I an ungodly sinner? No, I'm a saint who still sins.
Am I an ungodly sinner? No, I'm a saint who still sins.

And so, you are a Christian sinner?

But not an ungodly sinner?
 

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ARE YOU OSAS BELIEVER?
I am an OSASS believer: Once Saved Always Stay Saved.

I am an OSAS denier. As you ought to be.

Identify with who you want, but your definition is along the line of saints repenting from dead works, not along the line of OSAS today declaring themselves to be just as sinful and depraved as the world, but without judgment.

You have one distinct difference between yourself and them: You say, if you sin, you have an advocate with the Father to confess and repent and be forgiven of sin. They say, when they say they are already forgiven of their sins anyway.

I have become instructed by them to such a degree, that their version of OSAS is the strong delusion of the last days.
 

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The favorite past time of OSAS is to equate go and sin no more, with go and be sinless perfection.

LOL, you saying it’s a favorite pastime....roll out the quotes of people passing the time saying that. :p
 

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You again are not quoting properly.

Nonetheless, your lack of understanding does not mean everything is "double speak ", it just shows that you are only leaning on your own understanding.

You have left Jesus because of hard sayings.
And you are worthless to engage.

You'll not answer direct questions as I have, because you have no adult honor.

1. Are you saying Paul's empathy with them in wretched double mindedness is the perpetual state of Christians unto death?

2. Are you a sinner? Are you an ungodly sinner?
 
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LOL, you saying it’s a favorite pastime....roll out the quotes of people passing the time saying that. :p
What. you haven't been watching yourself countering their arguments of you claiming to be sinless, when you preach being blameless?

When anyone speaks of living holily, righteously, and blamelessly in this life, they declare it to be impossible today, but only in the resurrection.
 

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What. you haven't been watching yourself countering their arguments of you claiming to be sinless, when you preach being blameless?

When anyone speaks of living holily, righteously, and blamelessly in this life, they declare it to be impossible today, but only in the resurrection.

You are best suited to get a mirror and have a conversation with yourself...
Since you think you are an authority on others beliefs ... and consistently speak for others what they do not think, say or believe.

GASLIGHTER!
 

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You are best suited to get a mirror and have a conversation with yourself...
Since you think you are an authority on others beliefs ... and consistently speak for others what they do not think, say or believe.

GASLIGHTER!
Ok. I thought you were someone else. Since you're not. My bad.
 

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Thank you to my Lord God Almighty....
OSAS!!
Born of God!!
Freed FROM SIN!!!
Can SIN NO MORE!!!
Can not SIN!!!
Perfected IN Christ!!!!
Have my witness IN Me!!!!

Praise and Glory to my Great Lord God Almighty,
Hallelujah
Amen,
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Thank you to my Lord God Almighty....
OSAS!!
Born of God!!
Freed FROM SIN!!!
Can SIN NO MORE!!!
Can not SIN!!!
Perfected IN Christ!!!!
Have my witness IN Me!!!!

Praise and Glory to my Great Lord God Almighty,
Hallelujah
Amen,
Taken
Interestingly bold. I like it.

Have you never sinned since being born again? Never needed confession and forgiveness for sinning?
 

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And you are worthless to engage.

You'll not answer direct questions as I have, because you have no adult honor.

1. Are you saying Paul's empathy with them in wretched double mindedness is the perpetual state of Christians unto death?

2. Are you a sinner? Are you an ungodly sinner?
I have answered both of those questions for you already.
 
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The favorite past time of OSAS is to equate go and sin no more, with go and be sinless perfection.

They do so to justify their going to sin some more and more.

That Christian school was probably your indoctrinated problem.
No they were a very Holiness, entire sanctification group. Which is partly why I know people who think they don't sin actually do. You on the other hand, are trying to have your cake and eat it too.... with your vague definitions no one can know if they are saved or not.
Do I sin just a tiny bit, and that is passable? If it's not perfection, where's the line? You never say.