What is Predetermined?

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Taken

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You just said you sin no more.
That would make you currently sinless.
I don't think you know what you are.

I know exactly what I am.
You simply do not comprehend what SINLESS means and what SIN no more means.

You should have learned, Physical Body’s are NOT MADE SINLESS until they physically die AND ARE RAISED UP IN UNCORRUPTION!

I have FORGIVEN SIN!!!
I have SIN UNSEEN. It’s COVERED with GODS SPIRIT> GODS LIGHT IN me!
 

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No, I'm a saint by definition.
I'm a sinner sometimes in my carnel flesh.

Saints do not sin.
Men who sin are not saints.

You should read and STUDY scripture and LEARN the TRUTH.
 

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You have never had a non believer do any good in your life?
Why don't you get real?

LOL
You make a statement with a question mark, then respond to it as if I answered....WeIrd...wEiRd...WEIRD!
 

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I know exactly what I am.
You simply do not comprehend what SINLESS means and what SIN no more means.

You should have learned, Physical Body’s are NOT MADE SINLESS until they physically die AND ARE RAISED UP IN UNCORRUPTION!

I have FORGIVEN SIN!!!
I have SIN UNSEEN. It’s COVERED with GODS SPIRIT> GODS LIGHT IN me!
If you have sin unseen you are still a sinner. And God sees all.
What you think you know, and what is Scriptural TRUTH, are in opposition.
Ok, sinless perfect person! You continue to talk in riddles. I'm done.
 

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I have answered both of those questions for you already.
I went through every post since my first questions to you in #208, then #227, and finally in #247, and found no answers to either of these questions.

All you said was that I have 'left Jesus' for asking you such questions.

Unless you can show otherwise in your previous posts, not only are you worthless to engage, you are also a worthlessly lying. But, what else is to be expected of self-confessed sinners?
 
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I went through every post since my first questions to you in #208, then #227, and finally in #247, and found no answers to either of these questions.

All you said was that I have 'left Jesus' for asking you such questions.

Not only are you worthless to engage. You are also a liar. But, what else is to be expected of self-confessed sinners?

you’re a daily sinner too robert. But your delusions of being a saint get in the way of you realizing it.
 

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No they were a very Holiness, entire sanctification group. Which is partly why I know people who think they don't sin actually do. You on the other hand, are trying to have your cake and eat it too.... with your vague definitions no one can know if they are saved or not.
Do I sin just a tiny bit, and that is passable? If it's not perfection, where's the line? You never say.
where's the line? You never say.

I have said many time from Scripture: the line between 'if' we sin, vs going on still in unrepented sins and trespasses.

There is also the Scriptural line between living righteous and blamelessly in this life, vs attaining to perfection in the resurrection.

Since you refuse to acknowledge the differences above, I no longer try to instruct you in anything.

Now, I am only trying to understand your own mind: You refuse to call yourself an ungodly sinner.

So then, are you a sinner, but not an ungodly sinner?
 
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Thank you, Scott. We do indeed serve a great and awesome God, do we not?

The only thing I would add, though it really need not be, is that after Romans 7... there is Romans 8. "The great therefore." Which somehow, someway, Robert says "OSAS never gets to." I mean, how ridiculous a statement is that? :) Anyway, it is said quite often that when you encounter a 'therefore' in Scripture, the first thing to be done in rightly dividing the Word is figure out what the 'therefore' is there for. :) Paul has just finished lamenting his own ongoing sinfulness (which is true of us all, of course) by saying of all those in Christ, including himself:

"There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace." (Romans 8:1-6, emphasis added)​

And then finally:

"Who is to condemn? Christ Jesus is the one who died ~ more than that, who was raised ~ who is at the right hand of God, who indeed is interceding for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or danger, or sword? . . . No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. For I am sure that neither death nor life, nor angels nor rulers, nor things present nor things to come, nor powers, nor height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 8:34-39, emphasis added)​

And as Paul later says:

"...the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable." (Romans 11:29, emphasis added)​

I'm, um, preaching to the choir, I know... :) But from a human point of view (which is all we're really capable of, being humans and all... :)), I'm not sure how anyone can fail to understand what Paul is saying there.

Grace and peace to you, Scott. And to all.
 

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where's the line? You never say.

I have said many time from Scripture: the line between 'if' we sin, vs going on still in unrepented sins and trespasses.

There is also the Scriptural line between living righteous and blamelessly in this life, vs attaining to perfection in the resurrection.

Since you refuse to acknowledge the differences above, I no longer try to instruct you in anything.

Now, I am only trying to understand your own mind: You refuse to call yourself an ungodly sinner.

So then, are you a sinner, but not an ungodly sinner?

Of course, I'm not ungodly. If I was ungodly how could I be a believer in Jesus and born again?
And I already said multiple times that I'm a saint who still sins.

What's the time limit between a sin committed and repenting from that sin before God cuts you off? What if you don't remember that you had a bad thought and you don't repent? Personally, I think everyone sins multiple times a day. What some people who believe in entire sanctification do is move the goalposts, so they can keep their inner sins, but not call them sin. Others just claim they live above sin, not acknowledging that their ever imperfection is in fact, sin.

Do you know who God says he hears? Those who are poor in spirit, the needy ones who know they sin and need Jesus to give them grace every minute of every day.