Biblically, when are we told that Christ is returning?

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Robert Gwin

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Robert, I have already pointed out in a previous post that the assumption that 1914 is the year that God established His everlasting Kingdom on the Earth is flawed in that the fourth and fifth segment of the Daniel 2 statue prophecy had not come into view in that year and that the Seventh Bowl Judgement prophecy also told us the end of the 2,000 years plus period of the Land of Babylon lying Devastated and Desolated would end when the Land of Babylon would be remembered once more during the revelation of this Seventh Bowl Judgement.

However the translation your denomination uses is very different to, lets say, the New King James Bible. Below are the two translations: -

Revelation 16:17-21: - 17 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air. And a mighty shout came from the throne in the Temple, saying, "It is finished!" 18 Then the thunder crashed and rolled, and lightning flashed. And a great earthquake struck—the worst since people were placed on the earth. 19 The great city of Babylon split into three sections, and the cities of many nations fell into heaps of rubble. So God remembered all of Babylon's sins, and he made her drink the cup that was filled with the wine of his fierce wrath. 20 And every island disappeared, and all the mountains were leveled. 21 There was a terrible hailstorm, and hailstones weighing seventy-five pounds fell from the sky onto the people below. They cursed God because of the terrible plague of the hailstorm.
Holy Bible, New Living Translation ®, copyright © 1996, 2004 by Tyndale Charitable Trust. Used by permission of Tyndale House Publishers. All rights reserved.

Revelation 16:17-21: - 17 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, "It is done!" 18 And there were noises and thunderings and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such a mighty and great earthquake as had not occurred since men were on the earth. 19 Now the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And great Babylon was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of His wrath. 20 Then every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And great hail from heaven fell upon men, each hailstone about the weight of a talent. Men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, since that plague was exceedingly great.
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We are, in reality arguing out of very different play books, and so can only come to very different conclusions. A more recent translation is this translation: -

Revelation 16:17-21: - 17 Finally the seventh angel poured out his bowl into the air and a loud voice came out of the temple from the throne, saying: "It is done!" 18 Then there were flashes of lightning, roaring, and crashes of thunder, and there was a tremendous earthquake - an earthquake unequaled since humanity has been on the earth, so tremendous was that earthquake. 19 The great city was split into three parts and the cities of the nations collapsed. So Babylon the great was remembered before God, and was given the cup filled with the wine made of God's furious wrath. 20 Every island fled away and no mountains could be found. 21 And gigantic hailstones, weighing about a hundred pounds each, fell from heaven on people, but they blasphemed God because of the plague of hail, since it was so horrendous.
(from The NET Bible®, Copyright © 1996-2006 by Biblical Studies Press, L.L.C., Dallas, Texas, www.bible.org. All rights reserved. Used by permission.)

The NET Bible® translation is fairly in synch with the NKJB but it too is very different to the NLT which seems to me to be a translation that reflects the understanding of your denomination's contextual understanding more than that of God words/context given to John.

As such Robert, I do not believe that you are able to present a reasoned Biblical understanding on the topic of this thread.

Goodbye Robert.

PS: - as to your false argument and deflection from the topic making it a personal attack on my personhood, I do not believe that there is one special people group as you do that belong specifically to God as God desires all people from every People Group to be drawn to be within His Loving Embrace.

As I stated Sir, no matter how flawed you believe it is, WW#1 the first and biggest fulfillment of the sign, started Oct 1914, that is a historical fact. Perhaps that is not the Nation against Nation, and Kingdom against Kingdom Jesus was talking about, time will reveal that sir, but it sure convinced the heck out of me.

I would also appreciate it if you would treat me as kindly and respectful as I do you. I have no problem with us disagreeing, but I do not think it proper to slander others simply because you disagree. The Bible states openly there is one faith Eph 4:5 and God has only ever had one group of people, since Abraham sir. Acts 20:29,30 shows very clearly where all the "faiths" came from, and I seriously doubt that God accepts them when they leave, do you? I further believe that Jehovah identifies the faith beyond any reasonable doubt, why would you think otherwise. Remember, all of God's people speak in unity 1 Cor 1:10
 

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ah, well that was just a pop quote, dunno if theyre all goats?
maybe?

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Yah does not "exist" wadr
i mean unless you got some "objective evidence?"

Wow! I am kind of shocked to hear that from you Byrd. I really did not discern from your posts that you didn't believe that Jehovah existed. Sorry I misunderstood sir, but do appreciate your telling me. Do I have objective evidence of His existence, no sir, but the fulfilled prophecy of the Bible convinces me that there was some kind of advanced intelligence that has interacted with us through history. Who the heck told Job that the world hung upon nothing as recorded by Moses? Job 26:7 Werent you taught in school that as late as the 1400's that scientists thought the earth was flat, and predicted that Columbus would sail right off the edge? I am sure that played heavily on his mind, but it turned out that Job and Isaiah who said the earth was a sphere Isa 40:22, were correct? How could such simple minded people of God, know what the learned people of many centuries later did not? I choose to believe it was actually God, and that since all His promises to date have proved true, then logically that which is yet unfulfilled will yet come about sir. Something to consider anyway.
 

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Wow! I am kind of shocked to hear that from you Byrd. I really did not discern from your posts that you didn't believe that Jehovah existed. Sorry I misunderstood sir, but do appreciate your telling me. Do I have objective evidence of His existence, no sir, but the fulfilled prophecy of the Bible convinces me that there was some kind of advanced intelligence that has interacted with us through history. Who the heck told Job that the world hung upon nothing as recorded by Moses? Job 26:7 Werent you taught in school that as late as the 1400's that scientists thought the earth was flat, and predicted that Columbus would sail right off the edge? I am sure that played heavily on his mind, but it turned out that Job and Isaiah who said the earth was a sphere Isa 40:22, were correct? How could such simple minded people of God, know what the learned people of many centuries later did not? I choose to believe it was actually God, and that since all His promises to date have proved true, then logically that which is yet unfulfilled will yet come about sir. Something to consider anyway.
i dont mean to say that Yah is not very real of course; just that “existence” may not be the best metric? Yah causes to exist, we exist…yet we cannot find something like 95% of what our finest minds insist must “exist,” so, like that
 

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As I stated Sir, no matter how flawed you believe it is, WW#1 the first and biggest fulfillment of the sign, started Oct 1914, that is a historical fact. Perhaps that is not the Nation against Nation, and Kingdom against Kingdom Jesus was talking about, time will reveal that sir, but it sure convinced the heck out of me.

So Robert, you prefer a man made and contrived observation as to when God will establish His Everlasting Kingdom here on the earth, rather that the timing given in Daniel 2's statue prophecy. I also know that the Land of Babylon was recognised once more before God in 1926 (Rev 16:17-22) and the nation that was established by Britain and France afterwards became the fourth segment, i.e. the legs of the statue, which was followed under 80 years later with the fifth segment of many nations invading the Land of Babylon to heal the land instead of destroying Babylon as was required by God. (Jer 50-51) The quoted two indisputable prophetic facts cannot be swept under the carpet, so to speak, as your accepted understanding does, to arrive at a very different "prophetic outcome."

I would also appreciate it if you would treat me as kindly and respectful as I do you. I have no problem with us disagreeing, but I do not think it proper to slander others simply because you disagree. The Bible states openly there is one faith Eph 4:5 and God has only ever had one group of people, since Abraham sir. Acts 20:29,30 shows very clearly where all the "faiths" came from, and I seriously doubt that God accepts them when they leave, do you? I further believe that Jehovah identifies the faith beyond any reasonable doubt, why would you think otherwise. Remember, all of God's people speak in unity 1 Cor 1:10

Robert, your treatment of my posts is done with such gentleness that many would miss the poison in your words. As for your biblical rebuttal of me, the scriptures speak more about your denomination's actions and beliefs than mine.

Now when an Aussie says "Goodbye," to another, that Aussie hopes that the person that the "Goodbye" is addressed to, would get the message, and stop their interaction with that said Aussie, and walk away from any further conversation.

Now snice you did not understand me, when you addressed me again, I have been very polite to you, offered my rebuttal to your latest post hoping that this will be the last interaction between us on this very topic.

Now Robert

Goodbye
 

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Hello to whoever May read this,

From what I understand, Jesus said that he would be coming back in the generation of that time period.

In a generation, from the biblical standpoint 38 years is considered enough time for a generation to have come to pass.

In De 1:35; De 2:14, Moses uses the term for thirty- eight years.

Because the Bible says this, I believe it.

Thank you for reading,
Matthew G
 

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Matt24:36"But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only."

 

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Hello to whoever May read this,

From what I understand, Jesus said that he would be coming back in the generation of that time period.

In a generation, from the biblical standpoint 38 years is considered enough time for a generation to have come to pass.

In De 1:35; De 2:14, Moses uses the term for thirty- eight years.

Because the Bible says this, I believe it.

Thank you for reading,
Matthew G
Could it be that the issue of understanding is how we hear?
When Jesus said 'this generation shall not pass till all is fulfilled' it is possible to read it as meaning the generation he was talking to however, when it's looked at contextually he's talking about the generation which sees the things he is describing.
 

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Hello to whoever May read this,

From what I understand, Jesus said that he would be coming back in the generation of that time period.

In a generation, from the biblical standpoint 38 years is considered enough time for a generation to have come to pass.

In De 1:35; De 2:14, Moses uses the term for thirty- eight years.

Because the Bible says this, I believe it.

Thank you for reading,
Matthew G

You are not believing what the Bible says, but your own interpretation of what is said in the two passages of scripture is saying by the manner in which you have combined what has been said.

Could it be that the issue of understanding is how we hear?
When Jesus said 'this generation shall not pass till all is fulfilled' it is possible to read it as meaning the generation he was talking to however, when it's looked at contextually he's talking about the generation which sees the things he is describing.

A fair point to consider.
 

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Could it be that the issue of understanding is how we hear?
When Jesus said 'this generation shall not pass till all is fulfilled' it is possible to read it as meaning the generation he was talking to however, when it's looked at contextually he's talking about the generation which sees the things he is describing.

Yes. It would have to do with the way a person is reading the passages of scriptures.

There is also the other part of the coin that has a mirror that looks back to what it may be your heart desires to tell you.

Is it a good thing to believe if Jesus is coming back soon and you need to everything his apostles were told to do before he came back? Is Jesus lying and if he was lying to people in that generation, was the writings of the letters also false advertisement of his return as well?
What does ones faith rely on or in?

To me people may believe how they desire, faith in the finished works of Christ, being born again is enough to consider a change of heart and life looking towards God and His Son who is the one that makes you right with God.

Thank you for your question, are your own questions how you perceive the way it should be handled?

@Jay Ross thank you for your comment.
 
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i dont mean to say that Yah is not very real of course; just that “existence” may not be the best metric? Yah causes to exist, we exist…yet we cannot find something like 95% of what our finest minds insist must “exist,” so, like that

Yes sir, the meaning of His name, He causes to become
 
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So Robert, you prefer a man made and contrived observation as to when God will establish His Everlasting Kingdom here on the earth, rather that the timing given in Daniel 2's statue prophecy. I also know that the Land of Babylon was recognised once more before God in 1926 (Rev 16:17-22) and the nation that was established by Britain and France afterwards became the fourth segment, i.e. the legs of the statue, which was followed under 80 years later with the fifth segment of many nations invading the Land of Babylon to heal the land instead of destroying Babylon as was required by God. (Jer 50-51) The quoted two indisputable prophetic facts cannot be swept under the carpet, so to speak, as your accepted understanding does, to arrive at a very different "prophetic outcome."



Robert, your treatment of my posts is done with such gentleness that many would miss the poison in your words. As for your biblical rebuttal of me, the scriptures speak more about your denomination's actions and beliefs than mine.

Now when an Aussie says "Goodbye," to another, that Aussie hopes that the person that the "Goodbye" is addressed to, would get the message, and stop their interaction with that said Aussie, and walk away from any further conversation.

Now snice you did not understand me, when you addressed me again, I have been very polite to you, offered my rebuttal to your latest post hoping that this will be the last interaction between us on this very topic.

Now Robert

Goodbye

Thanks for your input Jay