Jesus is Dead

Lifelong_sinner · Jan 24, 2022

I.O.U said:
Book knowledge is not the same as punishment knowledge

the Bible is the inerrant word of God. It is without error in all matters. It is truth.

your problem is you dont know truth and are probably scared of it. Thats good, thats the beginning. The fear of God is the beginning to wisdom. Proverbs 9:10.

stunnedbygrace · Jan 24, 2022

Lifelong_sinner said:
the Bible is the inerrant word of God. It is without error in all matters. It is truth.

your problem is you dont know truth and are probably scared of it. Thats good, thats the beginning. The fear of God is the beginning to wisdom. Proverbs 9:10.

I rather think the man sees the farcical absurdity evangelical Christianity has become and wants no part of it.

I.O.U · Jan 24, 2022

Wrangler said:
Friend, you clearly have an axe to grind.

'Nature made me function' is a cop out, a failure to take responsibility for your choices. Nature requires you to breath, eat, eject waste. It does not compel you to rape, steal or degrade.

Make a blessed day.

Nature requires all living things to change and adapt, which religion does not.

TLHKAJ · Jan 24, 2022

I.O.U said:
Nature requires all living things to change and adapt, which religion does not.

So you're saying that if a Christian loves you, they should leave you alone and not share the Gospel with you, right?

Well, I can tell you now that seeing someone walk toward destruction and not telling them how to avoid it is the opposite of love.

But it's your choice. No one can force you to choose life. That choice belongs to you.

Lifelong_sinner · Jan 24, 2022

I.O.U said:
God damn you people need to be exterminated.

1. dont use the Lords name as a cussword. Would you use your mothers name as a cussword??
2. Extermination?? Yea my vote is, the grief you’re feeling because of us, is a good thing. The Holy Spirit is working on you, but your pride is getting in the way.

Lifelong_sinner · Jan 24, 2022

I.O.U said:
Nature requires all living things to change and adapt, which religion does not.

God does not change, He is perfect and His way is not natural to us. You need to read the Bible.

Wrangler · Jan 24, 2022

I.O.U said:
Nature requires all living things to change and adapt, which religion does not.

Not really related to the OP is it?

In any event, you are totally wrong. Read about Christian transformation and a New Creation, which means we have a changed, divine nature.

Make a blessed day!

reformed1689 · Jan 24, 2022

I.O.U said:
Love is just a byword for those who profess it and never live it. I've had it with human beings who believe they have love, but do nothing to prove it.

I fail to see how the title of this thread is anything more than "click bait"

Nancy · Jan 24, 2022

I.O.U said:
Didn't Jesus say:
"If anyone comes to me, and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters and yes, even his life, he is not able to be my disciple."

Jesus meant to "prefer more" than God. God first always and HE will take care of the rest..."Seek ye first..."

Curtis · Jan 24, 2022

Aunty Jane said:
All I can say is that you are mixing with the wrong people.....either that or Jesus' words concerning the "last days" are more widespread than we think....

Matthew 24:12-13...
"and because of the increasing of lawlessness, the love of the greater number will grow cold. But the one who has endured to the end will be saved."
Maybe this is what is to be endured....?

....the disappointment in people not doing as Christ instructed.

You see, I believe that there are two kinds of people in this world...the helpers and the helpless.....the helpers always look for ways to lighten the load for someone else. The helpless are the weak ones among us who sometimes just need a hand up.
OTOH, those who take hand outs on a regular basis without ever paying it forward, are the ones we want to avoid.

Where’s the watchtower’s love?

JWs aren’t out there worldwide running food kitchens and pantry’s, homeless shelters, orphanages, crisis centers, free health clinics, etc. Christians are.

The watchtower does none of that.

The actor George Clooney, who works overseas to help third world nations once remarked how he went to a very hard to reach remote village, to some natives who had never been reached before as far as they knew, and when they finally arrived at their destination, Christians were already there helping those people.

Nancy · Jan 24, 2022

Curtis said:
Where’s the watchtower’s love?

JWs aren’t out there worldwide running food kitchens and pantry’s, homeless shelters, orphanages, crisis centers, free health clinics, etc. Christians are.

The watchtower does none of that.

The actor George Clooney, who works overseas to help third world nations once remarked how he went to a very hard to reach remote village, to some natives who had never been reached before as far as they knew, and when they finally arrived at their destination, Christians were already there helping those people.

Amen, serving others IS serving God.

Ferris Bueller · Jan 24, 2022

Wrangler said:
Read about Christian transformation and a New Creation, which means we have a changed, divine nature.

Make a blessed day!

"17Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away. Behold, the new has come!" 2 Corinthians 5:17

@I.O.U would you like to have a new life?
Do you know how to become a new creation in Christ?
We can explain it to you.

Ferris Bueller · Jan 24, 2022

TLHKAJ said:
Well, I can tell you now that seeing someone walk toward destruction and not telling them how to avoid it is the opposite of love.

That is right. Love compels Christians to tell others how to become new creations in Christ:

"14For Christ’s love compels us, because we are convinced that One died for all, therefore all died." 2 Corinthians 5:14

Christ's love is reaching out to you.

Aunty Jane · Jan 24, 2022

I.O.U said:
Nature requires all living things to change and adapt, which religion does not.

Maybe then religion needs to adapt and change because it was corrupted (as Jesus said it would be)...and so long ago that everyone thinks the fake is the real one......shame about that.

Christian is as Christian does....talk is cheap.....and actions speak louder than words.

Need more platitudes....?

Aunty Jane · Jan 24, 2022

Curtis said:
Where’s the watchtower’s love?

JWs aren’t out there worldwide running food kitchens and pantry’s, homeless shelters, orphanages, crisis centers, free health clinics, etc. Christians are.

The watchtower does none of that.

Another very ignorant post Curtis. We do not run hand to mouth charities because that is not what Jesus advocated.
His approach was to teach self sufficiency....is that what charities do? I have observed that the larger charities are run by well paid CEO's who cream off a lot of the benefits of donations for themselves. Jesus said..."you received free, give free", therefore we give in much more practical ways to help those who want to help themselves. There is a difference between giving people a "hand up" and giving them a "hand out".

You have heard of the term "rice Christians".....you know what they are? These are the ones who take advantage of the services provided by charities with no intent to change their ways. Hand outs are all they know. Does Jesus want to help those who couldn't care less about him and his Father....who have no intention to change their ways to conform to his righteous standards? Does he support the 'sponges' of the world who are merely a drain on resources that could go to more worthy ones?

Even in Israel, those who had fields under cultivation were told to reserve the edges for the poor to glean. These were not to sit on their backsides and be given food, but had to work for their own food. There is a saying that "God helps those who help themselves"...but he will not help those who "help themselves" to other people's generosity and abuse the privilege.

There are much more important ways to "help" people and you will never know what we do because you won't hear about it. (Matthew 6:1-4)
How many people give to "charities" without knowing who benefits from their donations? The lazy man's conscience salve. We know exactly who we help and why we help them to stand up and become self sufficient citizens of their nation instead of a drain on government resources. We teach them to have pride in themselves because God values them and their efforts to bring their lives into harmony with his requirements.....so they should value themselves too. They learn to love themselves in a good way and share that love with others by paying it forward.

The actor George Clooney, who works overseas to help third world nations once remarked how he went to a very hard to reach remote village, to some natives who had never been reached before as far as they knew, and when they finally arrived at their destination, Christians were already there helping those people.

You want to know where JW's do their preaching Curtis.....? Everywhere people are. We paddle canoes up the Amazon, trek into hard to reach mountain communities and even into desert regions and remote communities all over the world. We fly planes into the frozen North and find people in other remote places where others do not go. We have the good news of the Kingdom to share with them....what has Christendom got to offer....free food and 'Jesus loves you'? I can train a dog like that.

People need hope here and now, and in my experience, Christendom offers none....if you don't go to heaven...you are going to hell. Emotional blackmail much? I was raised in Christendom...that is why I know its teaching are a hypocritical joke. You can't tell me about them because I already know. What do you really know about Jehovah's Witnesses?

Don't believe everything you hear.....why did the Jewish people want Jesus dead? Their religious leaders did not have a good word to say about 'Jesus the fake Messiah' who got his power from the devil. They ended up cursing themselves and their children with his blood. (Matthew 27:25)

Be careful...the devil does not change his tactics.

atpollard · Jan 24, 2022

I.O.U said:
Love is just a byword for those who profess it and never live it. I've had it with human beings who believe they have love, but do nothing to prove it.

Somebody needs a hug.

Aunty Jane · Jan 24, 2022

Nancy said:
Amen, serving others IS serving God.

When did God serve those who were not his? He took care of his own and when they were disobedient, he punished them. He expected them to make the effort to obey his commands....did Jesus tell us to expect anything less?

Feeding and clothing the body will not save anyone. Helping someone with a ‘hand up’ doesn’t mean endlessly giving them ‘hand outs’. We are to make disciples of them, (Matthew 28:19-20) and if they show no interest in God or his Christ, they are then left to others who will feed and clothe them....which falls to governments.

God provides for his own and always has.....but who are his own today?

ThePuffyBlob · Jan 24, 2022

I.O.U said:
About how I need to hear the good news from them. Always telling me the good news.

then you should not do it on chat but on reality for them to stop

and they will also stop if you question their own religion cause i did so they never came back to preach again

i'm just giving you a way out since christianity in this era is a mess indeed there's just too many beliefs

Curtis · Jan 25, 2022

Aunty Jane said:
Another very ignorant post Curtis. We do not run hand to mouth charities because that is not what Jesus advocated.
His approach was to teach self sufficiency....is that what charities do? I have observed that the larger charities are run by well paid CEO's who cream off a lot of the benefits of donations for themselves. Jesus said..."you received free, give free", therefore we give in much more practical ways to help those who want to help themselves. There is a difference between giving people a "hand up" and giving them a "hand out".

Apparently since you only believe what the watchtower says, and not the scriptures, you missed where Jesus condemns to everlasting fire (created originally for Satan and his angels) those who did nothing to feed, or clothe the needy:

Mat 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:

Mat 25:32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

Mat 25:33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.

Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:

Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?

Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:

Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?

Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.

Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

And James states that faith without works is dead, that if you’re a hearer but not a doer of the word, and specifically warns those who ignore those who are naked and need food:

Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

Jas 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

Jas 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

Jas 2:20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

Jas 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

Jas 2:22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

Jas 2:23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

Jas 2:25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

Jas 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Scripture completely refutes the watchtower.

Do you have ears to hear?

BTW list one watchtower charity I can look up, that gives that hand up instead of a handout - because those don’t exist either.

Aunty Jane · Jan 25, 2022

Curtis said:
Apparently since you only believe what the watchtower says, and not the scriptures, you missed where Jesus condemns to hell those who did nothing to feed, or clothe the needy:

And apparently you have no idea what the separation of the sheep and the goats is all about.....

Read it again.....
This time in plain English....
"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. . . . . Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’. . . . Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” (Matthew 25:31-46 ESV)

There is no "hell" in that verse. The "eternal punishment" is actually "Gehenna" which is eternal death, not eternal torture. (Matthew 10:28) God "destroys" those consigned to Gehenna. Eternal death is still a punishment, but it involves no suffering....God is not a fiend. (Ezekiel 33:11)

When Jesus comes to judge mankind, there are three groups of people mentioned.....there are those who are Christ's "brothers", and those who did good deeds towards them.....and there are those who failed to do good deeds to the least ones of his brothers.....so who are Christ's "brothers" and who are those who did good deeds for them when they were suffering hardships?

Those who are adopted as "sons of God" are Christ's "brothers". These ones have the "heavenly calling" (Hebrews 3:1) and will rule with Christ in his heavenly kingdom. (1 Peter 1:3-5) Not all who profess to be Christians receive the heavenly calling.....this requires a special anointing from God through the holy spirit. (Romans 8:15)

At 1 Corinthians 1:2 Paul addresses his letter to.....
"To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours"...
So he identifies those who are "called to be saints together with those who call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours". All are followers of the Lord Jesus Christ but only some among them have the "heavenly calling", making them Christ's "brothers". Those not called to be saints are the ones who do good deeds to their fellow Christians...these are the sheep.

The goats are those who would never do good deeds to Christ's brothers because they don't even acknowledge their existence.

This prophesy has nothing to do with feeding and clothing the needy. (Matthew 10:40-42)
Jesus never advocated hand to mouth charity.....especially not the type that "blows a trumpet ahead of themselves".

There are many good humanitarians in the world and a large number of them are atheists.
Are they saved because of their good deeds to fellow humans?
What two laws are all Christians under? (Matthew 22:34-39) You have to obey both.

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