USA going to war over Ukraine with Russia

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Biden’s Ukraine Problem | National Review

For me if, God forbid, we deploy troops to Ukraine it'll be someone behind the curtain who makes that move. Because Biden at this stage is a human version of a muppet.

He doesn't answer questions after reading as best he can from a teleprompter script.
He was mentally unsound during the campaign and is only going to get worse.

So, if the worst case scenario happens the question I think is, who benefits? $$$
Because it certainly isn't going to be a move that is necessary for the good of our country.
 

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More plain stupidity from a man who is stupid every day, and no one removes him from that office. Where are the veterans who promised to deal with stupid evildoers?
Biden was not a stupid man. He's now suffering an organic brain disease, Alzheimer's.
If not that some form of Dementia is for certain.

I would think there are rules against allowing mentally ill people from seeking highest office.
However, since he didn't actually win the office legally, his handlers likely thought those rules can't apply. Before or after the election.
 

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The dollar will collapse and the US will end up in a new civil war. The Russians and Chinese need only to wait, in order to defeat The US. The American oligarchs will move to new countries and The US public will fight over the scraps.
Your former friends in Europe won’t bail you out, they already know that you guys won’t honor your NATO obligations anyways. Trump making peace with Taliban without the Afghan government, just shows that no one can trust in America or its voters.

I personally hope Denmark will withdraw from NATO, I don’t want to help America close down the Russian fleet. Let’s face it, Denmark won’t be nuked if we just let the Russians pass through our bottleneck in the Baltic Sea.

So yes, I also propose that America become friends with Russia and China. You guys are not that different and you are having a hard time keeping your friends in Europe. I also think it makes more sense for Denmark and the other European NATO countries to buy military equipment from Russia and China instead. It’s much cheaper and let’s face it, we won’t actually be allied on the battlefield. We know that from Iraq and Afghanistan. Most of the collision sent more soldiers pr capita than the USA, although the war was not ours.

No one flew into European towers and the people who did wasn’t trained by our intelligence services. The USA are cowards on the battlefield and couldn’t even beat Taliban or set up a strong Iraqi government that had power to keep ISIS down. USA is all talk no action and the amount of money spend on the military instead of the poor will make the dollar collapse.

I know most comments in this thread offers a narrow perspective. It is however a fact that America can’t afford it’s war machine. It has increased its military spendings to keep the Russians at bay, but will never really fight the Russians. The dollar isn’t collapsing because of social policy’s or the new infrastructure plan, it will collapse because there is no limit to the military spendings. Too many people enlisted who doesn’t contribute to the treasury and a public so uneducated that most of them shouldn’t be allowed on the internet.

It’s time for The EU to create an army and build nuclear weapons.

America’s military is laughable. So much spend and nothing in return. Russia is beating you by keeping their budget and by not wasting time. They can do as they please and they constantly win terrain, all the USA is doing is betraying its allies to kiss Putins a..
If America is never going to fight this fight, we should close down nato. Then America can learn to fend for it self instead of having its allies do it for them.

There is no reason the USA should have great trade deals in Europe, if not for NATO. So yes let’s end this travesty and stop the alliance we know we can’t trust you and we know that Russia is more Christian than America.
 

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The dollar will collapse and the US will end up in a new civil war. The Russians and Chinese need only to wait, in order to defeat The US. The American oligarchs will move to new countries and The US public will fight over the scraps.
Your former friends in Europe won’t bail you out, they already know that you guys won’t honor your NATO obligations anyways. Trump making peace with Taliban without the Afghan government, just shows that no one can trust in America or its voters.

I personally hope Denmark will withdraw from NATO, I don’t want to help America close down the Russian fleet. Let’s face it, Denmark won’t be nuked if we just let the Russians pass through our bottleneck in the Baltic Sea.

So yes, I also propose that America become friends with Russia and China. You guys are not that different and you are having a hard time keeping your friends in Europe. I also think it makes more sense for Denmark and the other European NATO countries to buy military equipment from Russia and China instead. It’s much cheaper and let’s face it, we won’t actually be allied on the battlefield. We know that from Iraq and Afghanistan. Most of the collision sent more soldiers pr capita than the USA, although the war was not ours.

No one flew into European towers and the people who did wasn’t trained by our intelligence services. The USA are cowards on the battlefield and couldn’t even beat Taliban or set up a strong Iraqi government that had power to keep ISIS down. USA is all talk no action and the amount of money spend on the military instead of the poor will make the dollar collapse.

I know most comments in this thread offers a narrow perspective. It is however a fact that America can’t afford it’s war machine. It has increased its military spendings to keep the Russians at bay, but will never really fight the Russians. The dollar isn’t collapsing because of social policy’s or the new infrastructure plan, it will collapse because there is no limit to the military spendings. Too many people enlisted who doesn’t contribute to the treasury and a public so uneducated that most of them shouldn’t be allowed on the internet.

It’s time for The EU to create an army and build nuclear weapons.

America’s military is laughable. So much spend and nothing in return. Russia is beating you by keeping their budget and by not wasting time. They can do as they please and they constantly win terrain, all the USA is doing is betraying its allies to kiss Putins a..
If America is never going to fight this fight, we should close down nato. Then America can learn to fend for it self instead of having its allies do it for them.

There is no reason the USA should have great trade deals in Europe, if not for NATO. So yes let’s end this travesty and stop the alliance we know we can’t trust you and we know that Russia is more Christian than America.

wow, what propaganda, comrade.
 

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Ukraine not worth a nuclear war, Ukraine was a part of Russia for hundreds of years.
And Taiwan also not worth a nuclear war.
What makes logical sense, Russia takes back Ukraine, China takes back Taiwan.
USA does not go to war over either one, and remains intact. Allowing for that lessens the tensions between all these nations.
Pretty sure a lot of Ukraine would prefer to be part of Russia again. The reasons why WW2 developed into a world war was all those defense treaties countries signed, so nations were dragged into the regional wars.

Then Europe does not expand NATO and remains as it is, or some more countries leave the EU.
NATO is obsolete and ought to be deleted.


Modern history[edit]

17th and 18th-century Ukraine[edit]
Ukraine emerges as the concept of a nation, and the Ukrainians as a nationality, with the Ukrainian National Revival in the mid-18th century, in the wake of the peasant revolt of 1768/69 and the eventual partition of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. Galicia fell to the Austrian Empire, and the rest of Ukraine to the Russian Empire.

While right-bank Ukraine belonged to the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth until late 1793, left-bank Ukraine had been incorporated into Tsardom of Russia in 1667 (under the Treaty of Andrusovo). In 1672, Podolia was occupied by the Turkish Ottoman Empire, while Kyiv and Braclav came under the control of Hetman Petro Doroshenko until 1681, when they were also captured by the Turks but in 1699 the Treaty of Karlowitz returned those lands to the Commonwealth.

Most of Ukraine fell to the Russian Empire under the reign of Catherine the Great; in 1793 right-bank Ukraine was annexed by Russia in the Second Partition of Poland.[38]
 

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Ukraine not worth a nuclear war, Ukraine was a part of Russia for hundreds of years.
And Taiwan also not worth a nuclear war.
What makes logical sense, Russia takes back Ukraine, China takes back Taiwan.
USA does not go to war over either one, and remains intact. Allowing for that lessens the tensions between all these nations.
Pretty sure a lot of Ukraine would prefer to be part of Russia again. The reasons why WW2 developed into a world war was all those defense treaties countries signed, so nations were dragged into the regional wars.

Then Europe does not expand NATO and remains as it is, or some more countries leave the EU.
NATO is obsolete and ought to be deleted.


Modern history[edit]

17th and 18th-century Ukraine[edit]
Ukraine emerges as the concept of a nation, and the Ukrainians as a nationality, with the Ukrainian National Revival in the mid-18th century, in the wake of the peasant revolt of 1768/69 and the eventual partition of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth. Galicia fell to the Austrian Empire, and the rest of Ukraine to the Russian Empire.

While right-bank Ukraine belonged to the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth until late 1793, left-bank Ukraine had been incorporated into Tsardom of Russia in 1667 (under the Treaty of Andrusovo). In 1672, Podolia was occupied by the Turkish Ottoman Empire, while Kyiv and Braclav came under the control of Hetman Petro Doroshenko until 1681, when they were also captured by the Turks but in 1699 the Treaty of Karlowitz returned those lands to the Commonwealth.

Most of Ukraine fell to the Russian Empire under the reign of Catherine the Great; in 1793 right-bank Ukraine was annexed by Russia in the Second Partition of Poland.[38]

Then let’s just give them Finland and Sweden too and let’s allow the Russians to reinstate nuclear weapons on Cuba. Maybe dissolve the United States and give it back to the natives. Let’s just remember that America isn’t that much older than the collapse of the Russian empire. If we don’t give America to the natives, we can let Great Britain take control again.

What kind of a world are you living in?
 
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Then let’s just give them Finland and Sweden too and let’s allow the Russians to reinstate nuclear weapons on Cuba. Maybe dissolve the United States and give it back to the natives. Let’s just remember that America isn’t that much older than the collapse of the Russian empire. If we don’t give America to the natives, we can let Great Britain take control again.

What kind of a world are you living in?

dissolve America?? Oh boy, dont threaten me with a good time.
 

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It’s time for The EU to create an army and build nuclear weapons.
No. It's time for the EU to be disbanded and dissolved. Ever since it was created it has done nothing beneficial. It is all about a small elitist cabal trying to control everyone else. As a matter of fact it is now too late to stop Russian aggression. And Putin knows this, as do the Europeans.
 
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Europe is of no strategic interest to me. I was thinking about it, in relation to my own economic situation, and regarding some entire countries if they were to all die out, would not impact me at all. For example that nation of Austria is 9 million people only. Same thing with Australia with 25 million only. Entire countries populations could simply vanish, and the world would hardly need to notice.
 

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Democat party agenda calls for ongoing wars. Personally, I'm surprised it's taking them this long, but they do seem like bumbling incompetents!

Much love!
Yes, Biden and cronies all have their claws into Ukraine. Much corruption in the government of the US and Ukraine. Ukraine leadership paid millions to the Bidens, you know they want to retain power. Democrats are all about pay to play.

And Russians are more Christian than we are. The EVIL democratic elite love to hate on Putin don't they, just like they do to Trump.
 

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Then let’s just give them Finland and Sweden too and let’s allow the Russians to reinstate nuclear weapons on Cuba. Maybe dissolve the United States and give it back to the natives. Let’s just remember that America isn’t that much older than the collapse of the Russian empire. If we don’t give America to the natives, we can let Great Britain take control again.

What kind of a world are you living in?
One that works without becoming a nuclear wasteland. America and China actually have very tight economic ties.
 

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Democat party agenda calls for ongoing wars. Personally, I'm surprised it's taking them this long, but they do seem like bumbling incompetents!

Much love![/QUOT
No. It's time for the EU to be disbanded and dissolved. Ever since it was created it has done nothing beneficial. It is all about a small elitist cabal trying to control everyone else. As a matter of fact it is now too late to stop Russian aggression. And Putin knows this, as do the Europeans.

The EU has done a lot of great things.

Trade between EU countries made America superfluous. Uniting to make America superfluous is why America is dissatisfied with the EU. I know most Americans are sore, but that’s just cute.
Like someone hurt after a break up.
Now we only need to dissolve NATO then America officially has no power in this world. We should close your military bases in Greenland and Germany. We don’t want your protection, we just want for you guys to leave us alone.

I also think Russia and China are better trading partners than The USA.
 

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I also think Russia and China are better trading partners than The USA.
Delusional thinking. Russia is blackmailing Europe over natural gas and you love it. China is blackmailing the world through its economic clout, and Australia is a good example of Chinese control. The EU has absolutely no credibility.
 

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One that works without becoming a nuclear wasteland. America and China actually have very tight economic ties.

Your trade relationship is mostly a credit card deal, where you guys get credit until your currency collapses. If it does, America will become a nuclear wasteland or just new province in China ;)

The Chinese doesn’t think the deal with the US is that profitable, when considering the risk of never getting payed.
 

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The EU has done a lot of great things.

Trade between EU countries made America superfluous. Uniting to make America superfluous is why America is dissatisfied with the EU. I know most Americans are sore, but that’s just cute.
Like someone hurt after a break up.
Now we only need to dissolve NATO then America officially has no power in this world. We should close your military bases in Greenland and Germany. We don’t want your protection, we just want for you guys to leave us alone.

I also think Russia and China are better trading partners than The USA.
I also think NATO needs to go away as a relic of the cold war against the Soviets.
USA is a massive consumer of goods, with much of it coming from China. US will never be irrelevant, an economic has been, unless it is nuclear bombed into nothing, but then so will you also suffer greatly. I always think of Europe like squabbling children, but also about half the US population is woke and lost its mind, I think due to the selective judgement of God on them. God will spare the just(ified) His wrath, and punish the wicked with burning fire.