The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

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Enoch111

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Talk to the one who said the ten commands were nailed to the cross.
What he probably meant was that the penalties for violating the Ten commandments were nailed to the cross. And this is found in Scripture in Col 2:14 (NJKV) ...having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. The KJV says: Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

What this means is that just as in a court of law, charges are brought against a criminal (and they were handwritten in Roman courts) so in God's court of justice charges have been brought against every sinner (since all have sinned). All those charges - which rendered all of us guilty of violating the Ten Commandments -- were nailed to the cross when Christ was nailed to the cross and literally made "SIN" for us. But He paid the penalty for all our sins in full. That is definitely NOT a license to sin, but a command to "Go and sin no more!"
 
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Must be. The opponents of what they label as a derogatory term, "OSAS", insist that is precisely what eternal irrevocable salvation means.
This is a purely NONSENSICAL statement. If you have some evidence, please quite it precisely and show the source.
 

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What he probably meant was that the penalties for violating the Ten commandments were nailed to the cross. And this is found in Scripture in Col 2:14 (NJKV) ...having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. The KJV says: Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

What this means is that just as in a court of law, charges are brought against a criminal (and they were handwritten in Roman courts) so in God's court of justice charges have been brought against every sinner (since all have sinned). All those charges - which rendered all of us guilty of violating the Ten Commandments -- were nailed to the cross when Christ was nailed to the cross and literally made "SIN" for us. But He paid the penalty for all our sins in full. That is definitely NOT a license to sin, but a command to "Go and sin no more!"
Here's the thing about that. Playing devil's advocate for a moment.

If all laws,ordinances, pertaining to right behavior and their penalties for disobedience, non-compliance, sins, were nailed to the cross and paid in full, because Jesus became sin and took the sins of the whole world upon himself there, why do people have to believe in him doing that in order to be saved in their own right as sinners from what Jesus nailed to the cross over 2000+ years ago for the whole world?

Jesus paid the price, but I have to repent, believe, and then my sins will be forgiven?

When Jesus took the sins in,of, the whole world upon himself and became sin.
Because, as was said about the ten commands, they were nailed to the cross, the debt paid in full. And Satan lost dominion over death.

Yet, I'm told I'm a sinner dead in her sins. Which means sin exists still. And holds a penalty a debt I will pay in Hell eternally if I don't accept Jesus paid the sin debt in full for the whole world, repent of my sins that exist because they're still in the world.

Failing to do so I die condemned in sin that still holds a penalty.

If Jesus paid sins debts in full by becoming sin, yet I don't believe that, sin still exists and is prosecuted by God who was Jesus on the cross.
 

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Yet, I'm told I'm a sinner dead in her sins. Which means sin exists still. And holds a penalty a debt I will pay in Hell eternally if I don't accept Jesus paid the sin debt in full for the whole world, repent of my sins that exist because they're still in the world.

Failing to do so I die condemned in sin that still holds a penalty.

If Jesus paid sins debts in full by becoming sin, yet I don't believe that, sin still exists and is prosecuted by God who was Jesus on the cross.

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Ma'am, you do realize that the New Testament writers referred to sin as continuing to exist, and frequently so in their epistles, correct? : )
 

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Uck. lol.

How about you play a Jesus Advocate instead? You know, that Jewish Guy who had twelve disciples, and they followed Him around for three full years and gave an accurate depiction of what He taught in their epistles : )

Play THAT advocate. Make my day.
You don't know the definition of Devil's Advocate.


I don't play at Jesus advocacy.

My DA observation is derived from the NT.
 

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Uck. lol.

How about you play a Jesus Advocate instead? You know, that Jewish Guy who had twelve disciples, and they followed Him around for three full years and gave an accurate depiction of what He taught in their epistles : )

Play THAT advocate. Make my day.


Yay! Good one my friend . :)

God Wins!

I believe to the New Testament saints …the “10 commandments “ go through the cross and become promises …= “ Thou shalt not = you will no longer …..yay!
 

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I believe to the New Testament saints …the “10 commandments “ go through the cross and become promises …= “ Thou shalt not = you will no longer …..yay!

That's an interesting perspective, and how are you these days, Helen? : )

My first thought with the whole 10 Commandments argument is that they seem to be undermining the focus on the two greatest commandments. I mean, take the 4th commandment for instance. If you focus so much on keeping the 4th that you lose sight of the 1st, you could end up being proud of yourself for keeping the 7th day while slowly drifting from letting Him have the other 6. If you focus primarily on keeping "Thou shalt not steal" or "Thou shalt not covet," but neglect to focus on "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you," you could end up living a far more deficient form of Christianity than those who focused on the greatest Two.

I don't get the fascination with the 10 Commandments. They were just basic guidelines to a higher spiritual walk. If they had been on a higher level like the focus of New Testament teaching was, He would not have given them to the Jews. They were largely a carnal people, and proved it by what followed in the wilderness.

Anyway, hope you are blessed, and always good to see you around. :)
 
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Maybe its your delivery.;):p

You can tell by Helen's comment. She took you seriously too.

I'm usually half-serious, half-playing around, so it takes a little savvy to cover everything I'm actually saying at once. But I meant no harm.

Just goofing off for the most part.

When I'm dead serious, you'll know it, but I didn't plan on that anytime soon if I could help it. :)
 
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Sorry you lost the ability to discuss reasonably. Tell us then, do you keep the ten commandments, yes or no!?
Oh, what a clever question!
What I do doesn't matter in the slightest. What the Bible teaches is what matters. At least, that's what I hear.
 

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Oh, what a clever question!
What I do doesn't matter in the slightest. What the Bible teaches is what matters. At least, that's what I hear.
So do you think the bible teaches that men have kept the ten commandments? One assumes that anyone claiming we need to must keep them themselves. We must note that you did not answer the question you were asked. I wonder why?
 

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So do you think the bible teaches that men have kept the ten commandments? One assumes that anyone claiming we need to must keep them themselves. We must note that you did not answer the question you were asked. I wonder why?
The 10 commandments are the marker God has set before man to keep, and if one sins they have an advocate with the father Jesus Christ the righteous

1 John 2:1KJV
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
 
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