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I.O.U

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like at first sight yes while listening to music myself i did like your poems imo you should make music lyrics instead of poems i did like but except for the God part not offended but you sound like a confused child

anyway why do you need attention from this forum? based on your poem

attention from christians yet you do not believe in what they believe in
Because, I am who I am.
 
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isn't there things that shouldn't really be said to someone and i also think talking to a person who is not willing is in vain
Mark 4:11-12
And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
I had an epiphany and I.O.U. raised a specific concern that seemed related. Besides the flesh has nothing to do with the kingdom. So it's more like stating the obvious, because everyone can relate.
 
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How is it that Christian's the world over know how hypocritical their religion has become, and nothing ever changes.

Corruption doesn't purge itself. So we are left with a situation where God must intervine if men are not in a position to do something.

God is longsuffering, as it is in his nature to be. Love is longsuffering. He tolerates a lot of evil temporarily, with the expectation it will be dealt with eventually and suddenly.

Longsuffering has its benefits if you want to extract a remnant from something.
 

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So it is possible to corrupt something perfect that God created?

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

how did iniquity find it's way into that which was created perfect?
What does it mean to be perfect in thy ways?
Adam obeyed God until.......
Because thou hast listened to thy wife...
The test is to follow God's voice. Not your husband, or your wife, or your parents, or your friends, when it comes to keeping God's word in your heart.
His ways are our ways or there is no way.

Noah was perfect because he obeyed God.
Abraham was perfect because he obeyed God.
Adam was perfect until......

And this corruption comes from where?
In oneself.
How did it get there?
That is what we call free choice.
You can choose to follow God or you can go your own way.
If you chooses your own way, you get thrown out into the world to fend for yourself.
If you ask for guidence He will give it, but in all your ways you need to walk perfect before him.
What does this mean?
Believe what he says and listen to what he tells you, and do it.
All of this is already written in your heart like a silent code.
You have a conscience. You know the difference between right and wrong.. (that's debatable)
Some have had their conscience destroyed. Some through no fault of their own. It's the world we live in that destroys you.
Adam and Eve chose the world.

That is how something that was created perfect became imperfect.
God gave us choice.

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That it relates to Jesus?
It's that silver cord...

Ecc 12:1 Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;
Ecc 12:2 While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:

Ecc 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Listen to the wind blow, watch the sun rise
Runnin' in the shadows, damn your love, damn your lies

And if you don't love me now, you will never love me again
I can still hear you saying you would never break the chain
And if you don't love me now, you will never love me again
I can still hear you saying you would never break the chain
Never break the chain

Listen to the wind blow, down comes the night
Runnin' in the shadows, damn your love, damn your lies
Break the silence, damn the dark, damn the light

And if you don't love me now, you will never love me again
I can still hear you saying you would never break the chain
And if you don't love me now, you will never love me again
I can still hear you saying you would never break the chain

And if you don't love me now, you will never love me again
I can still hear you saying you would never break the chain
Never break the chain

Chain keep us together
Chain keep us together
Chain keep us together
Chain keep us together

Imagine God singing this song to humanity...

1Jo 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.


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I figure that there is a thread that has always connected me with my daughter, and the longer the world keeps us apart, the longer the storm will rage around the world.
 

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It's that silver cord...

Ecc 12:1 Remember now thy Creator in the days of thy youth, while the evil days come not, nor the years draw nigh, when thou shalt say, I have no pleasure in them;
Ecc 12:2 While the sun, or the light, or the moon, or the stars, be not darkened, nor the clouds return after the rain:

Ecc 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.
Ecc 12:7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

Listen to the wind blow, watch the sun rise
Runnin' in the shadows, damn your love, damn your lies

And if you don't love me now, you will never love me again
I can still hear you saying you would never break the chain
And if you don't love me now, you will never love me again
I can still hear you saying you would never break the chain
Never break the chain

Listen to the wind blow, down comes the night
Runnin' in the shadows, damn your love, damn your lies
Break the silence, damn the dark, damn the light

And if you don't love me now, you will never love me again
I can still hear you saying you would never break the chain
And if you don't love me now, you will never love me again
I can still hear you saying you would never break the chain

And if you don't love me now, you will never love me again
I can still hear you saying you would never break the chain
Never break the chain

Chain keep us together
Chain keep us together
Chain keep us together
Chain keep us together

Imagine God singing this song to humanity...

1Jo 4:20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.


Hugs
What's with this song Ziggy? Two people connected by a chain, and one of them had broken the chain. It's not a metaphorical chain is it? Or maybe a real link, something that is not understood by current human knowledge. It's not a link with Jesus is it? Because that would be kinda bizarre. Really bizarre.
 

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I figure that there is a thread that has always connected me with my daughter, and the longer the world keeps us apart, the longer the storm will rage around the world.

The world has overcome you.

Jesus overcame the world. I think you know it, have read about it, but you don’t believe it.
 

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The world has overcome you.

Jesus overcame the world. I think you know it, have read about it, but you don’t believe it.
It's just a shoutout, I do that sometimes. I've been calling her out from this forum for year's. I need to know if what I am experiencing daily with her emotionally has any validity (Validity?) I hope that word explains what I mean. I don't have theory evidence about this unexplainable emotional phenomenon, It's my current hypothesis.
 
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It's just a shoutout, I do that sometimes. I've been calling her out from this forum for year's. I need to know if what I am experiencing daily with her emotionally has any validity (Validity?) I hope that word explains what I mean. I don't have theory evidence about this unexplainable emotional phenomenon, It's my current hypothesis.

Does she read what you post on this forum?
 

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Does she read what you post on this forum?
It might be so when I post something relevant to her. There's many moments I have to withdrawal from this forum against an emotional tsunami that follows after I have posted.
 

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It might be so when I post something relevant to her. There's many moments I have to withdrawal from this forum against an emotional tsunami that follows after I have posted.

It sounds like you’re heavily emotionally invested in this forum. I’m glad you’re here. The place wouldn’t be the same without you.

What do you like about the Bible?
 

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It sounds like you’re heavily emotionally invested in this forum. I’m glad you’re here. The place wouldn’t be the same without you.

What do you like about the Bible?
I don't know.
 

Matthias

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I don't know.

“I like the Bible, but I don’t like what Christian’s believe about the Bible.” - August 9, 2021

Well, then what do Christians believe about the Bible that you don’t like?
 

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“I like the Bible, but I don’t like what Christian’s believe about the Bible.” - August 9, 2021

Well, then what do Christians believe about the Bible that you don’t like?
That they put believing over all thing's. It is better to believe and make other people believe than to acquire accurate knowledge and dispel the fear of the unknown for real.

(I perceive the human race like a satellite traveling throughout space on a path of discovery. But at some point in our universal journey something caused us to stray off our path. So the way we have learnt to communicate a course correction, is to send unreliable data to our satellite race in the hope each new belief update will fix everything)
 
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That they put believing over all thing's.

Believing is, and always will be, critically important to Christians. However, If they are putting believing over all things then they are no better off than the demons.

It is better to believe and make other people believe …

Christians don’t have the ability, nor do they have a mandate from heaven, to make other people believe anything.

… than to acquire accurate knowledge and dispel the fear of the unknown for real.

Consider the probability that any Christian who tells us that there is no need “to acquire accurate knowledge” himself or herself hasn’t acquired accurate knowledge. Theirs is an easy believism and will prove to be of little value.

Such persons have nothing of value to offer us. They’ve either missed the point about listening to Jesus or hold doing so in disdain.

(I perceive the human race like a satellite traveling throughout space on a path of discovery. But at some point in our universal journey something caused us to stray off our path. So the way we have learnt to communicate a course correction, is to send unreliable data to our satellite race in the hope each new belief update will fix everything)

I like your analogy. What do you think caused us to stray off our path?

Unreliable date, I think you’ll agree, won’t fix anything. Reliable data, in and of itself, won’t fix anything either. Reliable data, once found, has to be acted on in order for a valid course correction to be achieved.
 

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That they put believing over all thing's. It is better to believe and make other people believe than to acquire accurate knowledge and dispel the fear of the unknown for real.

Very true. In the kingdom of the blind the one-eyed man is king. There are lots of truly deceived people all doing pretty much nothing and thinking that believing will make everything right. They are too lazy, too indoctrinated, too brainwashed to put in the hard work of research and study to understand the great truths.


(I perceive the human race like a satellite traveling throughout space on a path of discovery. But at some point in our universal journey something caused us to stray off our path. So the way we have learnt to communicate a course correction, is to send unreliable data to our satellite race in the hope each new belief update will fix everything)

Yes, like VGER you mean ! :) Voyager 6.

When you look back at the great leaps mankind made that progressed the human race mostly in the fields of science, there was no religion involved, or if it was involved it was to try and persecute and destroy the innovator. Copernicus for example telling us that the Earth was not flat and that the Earth moves around the Sun. Blasphemy and heresy to the religious nutjobs of the time.

The problem with the human race today is that many people have been so brainwashed and indoctrinated that they can't think critically, can't reason logically, can't think for themselves. So accustomed to being spoonfed like little children they have become that they no longer question anything. They just accept and believe however ridiculous that belief is, however much evidence presents itself to them on a daily basis. These people are lost. They have not stayed alert, not watched for the real wolves.

You still have a keen mind. You are thinking. Questioning. Challenging. Wondering.

You are still free though doubtless you have allowed various shackles to be placed on you in life.

This position, being able to think critically, makes you an outsider to religion. It will treat you as a bit of a rebel, an outlaw and will seek to bring you into the fold through gentle persuasion and subtle means (the typical attempts to create guilt, threats of going to Hell and the rest).

Never ever give up your intellect. Never cast aside rational thinking. This is who you are, how you were made, it's what makes you tick. If there exists a god that designed you this way, then denying your intellect in favour of baseless belief/faith is an insult to that designer.

Mankind has indeed gone astray like your satellite. Much of mankind has been purposely mislead by wicked people and organisations who simply want to exploit people for their own ends, to make themselves wealthy and give them great power. It's been going on for 1000s of years. Those people in power, which include the Church do not want the people knowing the truth because the truth would set them free and release them from the spells and entrancements they are in and would leave those in power relatively powerless.

Religion has shackled society and thereby obstructed critical thinking and innovation and progress. It stifles a person's mind.

I encourage you to keep thinking, keep challenging, keep insisting on evidence and keep believing only in that which you can see, feel, touch and know to be true.

To wonder is to begin to understand . . . . . .
Jose Ortega
 

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Everyone loves mammon or, at least, has loved mammon. Moving toward God and His Son is moving away from that.

God loves us, but where is our love for Him?
When I was a child, I once found a $50 bill on the ground. I decided immediately that I did nothing to deserve this, so I should give it back to God. I found the nearest charity bin and snuck the money inside of it, careful that none of the other kids would see me or I would get laughed at as a goody-two-shoes.

As an adult, I can't just give away all that I have without a care. When I donate, it is grudgingly, and I always look up out of vanity to see if anyone notices me donating.

I sometimes wonder - is my wisdom less as an adult than it was as a child?
 
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When I was a child, I once found a $50 bill on the ground. I decided immediately that I did nothing to deserve this, so I should give it back to God. I found the nearest charity bin and snuck the money inside of it, careful that none of the other kids would see me or I would get laughed at as a goody-two-shoes.

As an adult, I can't just give away all that I have without a care. When I donate, it is grudgingly, and I always look up out of vanity to see if anyone notices me donating.

I sometimes wonder - is my wisdom less as an adult than it was as a child?
What wisdom is that?

"When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I though as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish thing." I Cor 13:11

"...Except ye be converted, and become a little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven" Matt 18:3

"The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding" Prov 9:10
 
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