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1 the risen Jesus draws all men unto Him. John 12:32

2. All are given a measure of faith. Romans 12:3

3. Faith comes from hearing the word of God, Romans 10:17

4. People reject the prophets and Jesus, by resisting the Holy Spirit. Acts 7:51
Sounds good in theory ... Let's talk about the people living in Central America 100 years before Columbus arrived with the Gospel:
  1. How did Jesus draw them?
  2. What were they given "faith" in?
  3. They lived and died without ever hearing the word of God, right?
  4. Did they reject something they never heard of?

The answers to those questions forces me to accept that salvation is of the God (monergism) and Romans 9 is about more than just Israel:

14 What shall we say then? There is no injustice with God, is there? [fn]Far from it! 15 For He says to Moses, “I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOMEVER I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL SHOW COMPASSION TO WHOMEVER I SHOW COMPASSION.” 16 So then, it does not depend on the person who wants it nor the one who runs, but on God who has mercy.

20 On the contrary, who are you, you foolish person, who answers back to God? The thing molded will not say to the molder, “Why did you make me like this,” will it? 21 Or does the potter not have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one object for honorable use, and another for common use? 22 What if God, although willing to demonstrate His wrath and to make His power known, endured with great patience objects of wrath prepared for destruction? 23 And He did so to make known the riches of His glory upon objects of mercy, which He prepared beforehand for glory, 24 namely us, whom He also called, not only from among Jews, but also from among Gentiles, 25 as He also says in Hosea:
“I WILL CALL THOSE WHO WERE NOT MY PEOPLE, ‘MY PEOPLE,’
AND HER WHO WAS NOT BELOVED, ‘BELOVED.’”
This makes OUR evangelism of the greatest importance ... we are not the CAUSE of anyone's salvation, but we are the MEANS that God has chosen to use to spread HIS great and mighty work of saving "those whom He foreknew and He predestined" and "whosoever believes in the Son" (both are the same group of individuals). I want "beautiful feet" [Romans 10:15]. :)
 

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Wrong and a wee bit gullible to boot. Of course God gave you the answer right there with AND......God created the heaven and earth doesn't mean they were there yet, it means God SPOKE IT INTO EXISTENCE, then when the word AND is used God starts describing how they were created and what they looked like. AND the earth was without FORM(the visible shape or configuration of something) and VOID (a completely empty space). Both of those definitions are straight out of a dictionary. AND the DARKNESS was on the face of the deep. Just like the WMAP map shows, you do understand what microwave imaging is right, or are you in denial on those facts also? That picture shows 100 percent that God was correct, instead of showing this to a poor atheist whose soul is lost and saying see, God was correct, you are more concerned about being correct, even though you are in error, and that's sad, both for your testimony and for those you could maybe save with these truths.


AND the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. AND God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Why is it that out earth is so illuminated with light but the minute we leave this atmosphere it becomes much darker? Light travels in a straight beam, it needed to be reflected in order to illuminate on a large scale, the scientific term is refraction, light passes through and then it is refracted, the water in this case simply acts as a sort of prism to refract the suns rays, so it is not so much reflection as it is refraction, but many lay people think on it as reflection, so I explain it this way.

So, when God says he MOVED on the face of the waters He simply means He created a bio-dome on this earth which holds the moisture in, also called our atmosphere. Thus when sunlight enters our atmosphere it can be refracted by the moisture in our atmosphere where it illuminates the suns rays in a way that allows for heating of the earth and for crops to grow, thus when the asteroid struck 70 million years ago (the one you have to be in denial of) then the suns rays were blocked out, most vegetation died, thus the Dinos died off.

Genesis doesn't state it, but when you add up all the generational lineages and do all the math, etc., the Bible as a whole does say that.

More interestingly, there is a very well known character in the Bible who uses the exact same method of questioning, and casting doubt upon, God's Word. Can you guess who it is?
Here's a hint:
Genesis 3:1
Genesis 3:4

It is said that ignorance is bliss.

This is a perfect example of what has happened to all of you who have submerged yourselves in science for many years and have made science your God, casting aside the God of the Bible. You see the ancient Aramaic (ancient Hebrew) language (the language of God) as inferior, primitive and faulty. The language was created by God and is one of the most amazing languages of all that exist, for many reasons.
Wrong, I have been preaching the word over 35 years. The fact that you think this universe is only 6000 years old is on you, its an incoherent understanding, and the Serpent loves lying to those like who who will then repeat it, and thus those atheists God might have reached can't be reached because they see what you believe, which can't be true, and call Christianity a false notion that came from men. NOTICE I also say MANKIND is 6000 years old, there is no difference in when God created Adam in my understanding or yours. We didn't EVOLVE from some lower form of an animal. So, the only real difference is you cant understand what God meant by the word YOWM which means Year, Day, Month, Season and you can't get that it in general means a PERIOD OF TIME (Insert description). Well God did just that, He gave us a description of creation, and you think it happed over 6 days which is an utterly indefensible argument. You cant make a coherent argument against the facts I provide, you cant even tell me WHY God would change the very laws of nature He created which are constants look up the word Scientific Constants. (HINT Speed of Light is one). Now please tell me why God would change His laws of nature to "SPEED UP CREATION"? He lives in ALL TIME AT ONCE, so that is a fail. So why did God supposedly do away with the constants just to hurry up creation? WHY? One coherent answer would be nice !!

The Language had 4000 words, thus the whole point was words had MULTIPLE MEAINGS, and Joseph more than likely created the Hebrew Alphabet whilst in Egypt.
(Vudu - Watch Movies ....Movie proves Hebrew was the first alphabet, he also proves in another movie there was an Exodus, just not under Ramsees)

So, the whole point was the Hebrews had to write with a 4000 word limitation, thus they didn't have day, year, month, forevermore, etc. etc. that had one word YOWM that described time in general. This is why God used numbers also, the number 10 represents completion, this is why the 10 horns in Dan. 7 simply mean all Europe not 10 nations, just like the 10 virgin brides represent all Christendom, and the 10 commandments stand in for all God's laws. That is why 144,000 simply means all of the Jews who repent and flee Judea as in 12 (fulness) x 12 x 10 (completeness) x 10 x 10 = 144,000. So, the point goes right over your head. Do you actually think God does everything for us like we are helpless nomads? Then why was it that when Moses staff came down Israel started losing the battle? Then when Joshua and Arron helped him lift it back up Israel started winning again !! The answer is Because God works trough men, thus when the Church Departs (Rapture) that which WITHHOLDS the Anti-Christ (the Church) is thus taken out of the way. God works through men. Joseph invented the first alphabet.

God says His Words are pure. Psalms 12:6

He says that His Word defines His Word; not science. 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 1 Timothy 6:20

Newer things are almost never better.

LIGHTBULB.............why is it hard for you to see the light come on?

And the word means PERIOD OF TIME, as I proved above, not just day.

No. Actually, God says Day. Just as the scripture, backed by Strong's concordance of the original Hebrew word, says it does.

Day.

When we get to heaven and you see you were wrong then ask yourself how many more could I have saved by spreading the TRUTH !!

This is naivete at its finest brother, it makes absolutely no sense.

I can show you hundreds of words that were mistranslated or misconstrued.

So, Daniel 7:11 says the Beasts body will be destroyed and he will be killed and cast into hellfire. Then in Revelation 19:20 it states that the Beast will be cast ALIVE into hellfire, did God lie? No, its all about not UNDERSTANDEING the scriptures. Contradictions which we make, not God who is perfect.

The facts are we are immortal and neve die, Paul says we SLEEP, because he says those of us who are alive will ever SLEEP but be raptured straight to heaven. Dan. 12:1-2 says those who are asleep will be raised. So, we NEVER DIE in the spirit, so while Dan. 7:11 is correct, the Beast is killed (every man MUST DIE then be JUDGED so says the bible) and then cast into hell, he is not taken to the grave and allowed to rest like all of the other wicked men who will only be judged at the Second Resurrection after the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ on this earth, so the Beast & False Prophet are cast straight into hell ALIVE as in not alive physically, but before they are allowed to rest in the grave (sleep).

In Rev. 1:1 it says Jesus will come SHORTLY, but that word comes from two Greek Words (EN) and (TACHOS) the first 1.) EN means a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state).

Then the Second 2.) TACHOS means 1) quickness, speed
—Thayer's
(New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From the same as G5036; a brief space (of time), that is, (with G1722 prefixed) in haste:— + quickly, + shortly, + speedily.
—Strong's

Tachos is where the English word Tachometer comes from as in Zoom, zoom.

So, all of those who have become preterists because of this one passage is very sad. If you put in a little effort in you can see that SHORTLY comes from two Greek words which describe Jesus basically saying this

That in a future point in TIME (which Jesus has already told us only the Father knows) he will come IN HASTE.

The Old English had a word SHORTLY which meant speedily or in haste as in a short time frame, so if some one asked you then how long it will take you to harvest a field, they might say shortly for a short time frame words evolve. Most young people thinks gay means homosexual, to me it means happy or jovial.

TACHOS means Jesus will come speedily when he is sent, or in Haste.
 
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Wrong and wee but gullible to boot. Of course God gave you the answer right there with AND......God created the heaven and earth doesn't mean they were there yet, it means God SPOKE IT INTO EXISTENCE, then when the word AND is used God starts describing how they were created and what they looked like. AND the earth was without FORM(the visible shape or configuration of something) and VOID (a completely empty space). Both of those definitions are straight out of a dictionary. AND the DARKNESS was on the face of the deep. Just like the WMAP map shows, you do understand what microwave imaging is right, or are you in denial on those facts also? That picture shows 100 percent that God was correct, instead of showing this to a poor atheist whose soul is lost and saying see, God was correct, you are more concerned about being correct, even though you are in error, and that's sad, both for your testimony and for those you could maybe save with these truths.


AND the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. AND God said, Let there be light: and there was light.

Why is it that out earth is so illuminated with light but the minute we leave this atmosphere it becomes much darker? Light travels in a straight beam, it needed to be reflected in order to illuminate on a large scale, the scientific term is refraction, light passes through and then it is refracted, the water in this case simply acts as a sort of prism to refract the suns rays, so it is not so much reflection as it is refraction, but many lay people think on it as reflection, so I explain it this way.

So, when God says he MOVED on the face of the waters He simply means He created a bio-dome on this earth which holds the moisture in, also called our atmosphere. Thus when sunlight enters our atmosphere it can be refracted by the moisture in our atmosphere where it illuminates the suns rays in a way that allows for heating of the earth and for crops to grow, thus when the asteroid struck 70 million years ago (the one you have to be in denial of) then the suns rays were blocked out, most vegetation died, thus the Dinos died off.



It is said that ignorance is bliss.


Wrong, I have been preaching the word over 35 years. The fact that you think this universe is only 6000 years old is on you, its an incoherent understanding, and the Serpent loves lying to those like who who will then repeat it, and thus those atheists God might have reached can't be reached because they see what you believe, which can't be true, and call Christianity a false notion that came from men. NOTICE I also say MANKIND is 6000 years old, there is no difference in when God created Adam in my understanding or yours. We didn't EVOLVE from some lower form of an animal. So, the only real difference is you cant understand what God meant by the word YOWM which means Year, Day, Month, Season and you can't get that it in general means a PERIOD OF TIME (Insert description). Well God did just that, He gave us a description of creation, and you think it happed over 6 days which is an utterly indefensible argument. You cant make a coherent argument against the facts I provide, you cant even tell me WHY God would change the very laws of nature He created which are constants look up the word Scientific Constants. (HINT Speed of Light is one). Now please tell me why God would change His laws of nature to "SPEED UP CREATION"? He lives in ALL TIME AT ONCE, so that is a fail. So why did God supposedly do away with the constants just to hurry up creation? WHY? One coherent answer would be nice !!

The Language had 4000 words, thus the whole point was words had MULTIPLE MEAINGS, and Joseph more than likely created the Hebrew Alphabet whilst in Egypt.
(Vudu - Watch Movies ....Movie proves Hebrew was the first alphabet, he also proves in another movie there was an Exodus, just not under Ramsees)

So, the whole point was the Hebrews had to write with a 4000 word limitation, thus they didn't have day, year, month, forevermore, etc. etc. that had one word YOWM that described time in general. This is why God used numbers also, the number 10 represents completion, this is why the 10 horns in Dan. 7 simply mean all Europe not 10 nations, just like the 10 virgin brides represent all Christendom, and the 10 commandments stand in for all God's laws. That is why 144,000 simply means all of the Jews who repent and flee Judea as in 12 (fulness) x 12 x 10 (completeness) x 10 x 10 = 144,000. So, the point goes right over your head. Do you actually think God does everything for us like we are helpless nomads? Then why was it that when Moses staff came down Israel started losing the battle? Then when Joshua and Arron helped him lift it back up Israel started winning again !! The answer is Because God works trough men, thus when the Church Departs (Rapture) that which WITHHOLDS the Anti-Christ (the Church) is thus taken out of the way. God works through men. Joseph invented the first alphabet.



LIGHTBULB.............why is it hard for you to see the light come on?

And the word means PERIOD OF TIME, as I proved above, not just day.



When we get to heaven and you see you were wrong then ask yourself how many more could I have saved by spreading the TRUTH !!

This is naivete at its finest brother, it makes absolutely no sense.

I can show you hundreds of words that were mistranslated or misconstrued.

So, Daniel 7:11 says the Beasts body will be destroyed and he will be killed and cast into hellfire. Then in Revelation 19:20 it states that the Beast will be cast ALIVE into hellfire, did God lie? No, its all about not UNDERSTANDEING the scriptures. Contradictions which we make, not God who is perfect.

The facts are we are immortal and neve die, Paul says we SLEEP, because he says those of us who are alive will ever SLEEP but be raptured straight to heaven. Dan. 12:1-2 says those who are asleep will be raised. So, we NEVER DIE in the spirit, so while Dan. 7:11 is correct, the Beast is killed (every man MUST DIE then be JUDGED so says the bible) and then cast into hell, he is not taken to the grave and allowed to rest like all of the other wicked men who will only be judged at the Second Resurrection after the 1000 year reign of Jesus Christ on this earth, so the Beast & False Prophet are cast straight into hell ALIVE as in not alive physically, but before they are allowed to rest in the grave (sleep).

In Rev. 1:1 it says Jesus will come SHORTLY, but that word comes from two Greek Words (EN) and (TACHOS) the first 1.) EN means a primary preposition denoting (fixed) position (in place, time or state).

Then the Second 2.) TACHOS means 1) quickness, speed
—Thayer's
(New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From the same as G5036; a brief space (of time), that is, (with G1722 prefixed) in haste:— + quickly, + shortly, + speedily.
—Strong's

Tachos is where the English word Tachometer comes from as in Zoom, zoom.

So, all of those who have become preterists because of this one passage is very sad. If you put in a little effort in you can see that SHORTLY comes from two Greek words which describe Jesus basically saying this

That in a future point in TIME (which Jesus has already told us only the Father knows) he will come IN HASTE.

The Old English had a word SHORTLY which meant speedily or in haste as in a short time frame, so if some one asked you then how long it will take you to harvest a field, they might say shortly for a short time frame words evolve. Most young people thinks gay means homosexual, to me it means happy or jovial.

TACHOS means Jesus will come speedily when he is sent, or in Haste.
Why do you even preach on the Bible if you've discovered so many things wrong with it?

It makes no sense.

By your logic, the Bible's words are wrong, its declarations are wrong, its history is wrong, its original language is faulty and only those who have been educated in the specific sciences and disciplines as yourself can possibly understand what it means for the galaxy and the intergalactic federation.

Sounds to me like it's holding you back from your true calling.

Why speak out for such an antiquated, cryptic and mysterious book that nobody seems to understand properly? (Other than yourself, of course.)
 
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Apparently, according to the Bible, He may draw all men, to some degree, but the man must answer the calling. John 6:44 Jesus states that nobody can come to Him unless they are drawn by the Father. Here's a critical point: Not all men are God's Sheep, God's Children. If they are not of Him, then they will not recognize His voice when He calls and will not respond to the call by following Him. John 10:27 There are conditions involved.
But it's what they do with that measure that counts. They must plant that measure and water it and nurture it and make it grow so that it bears fruit. They must put that measure into the bank that it may gain interest. Matthew 25:14-30 He who has a little faith and does nothing to nurture and increase that faith, will have it taken away from him and it will be given to another who has more faith.
Not just from hearing alone, but it must be heard by someone who has enough faith to absorb and maintain it. Hebrews 4:2
And they do so, as your verse there specifies, because they are not God's Sheep. As their fathers were not. They cannot hear His calling. "...ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."
Their father is the devil, not God. John 8:44 Because there is no Truth inherently inside of them, they cannot hear the Truth (Jesus). John 14:6
The pre crucified Jesus said no one can come to him unless the father draws Him, then said that after His crucifixion,j He would draw all men unto Himself, but as I said in that post, the reason people reject Jesus is because they RESIST Holy Spirit, meaning they make a freewill choice
Apparently, according to the Bible, He may draw all men, to some degree, but the man must answer the calling. John 6:44 Jesus states that nobody can come to Him unless they are drawn by the Father. Here's a critical point: Not all men are God's Sheep, God's Children. If they are not of Him, then they will not recognize His voice when He calls and will not respond to the call by following Him. John 10:27 There are conditions involved.
But it's what they do with that measure that counts. They must plant that measure and water it and nurture it and make it grow so that it bears fruit. They must put that measure into the bank that it may gain interest. Matthew 25:14-30 He who has a little faith and does nothing to nurture and increase that faith, will have it taken away from him and it will be given to another who has more faith.
Not just from hearing alone, but it must be heard by someone who has enough faith to absorb and maintain it. Hebrews 4:2
And they do so, as your verse there specifies, because they are not God's Sheep. As their fathers were not. They cannot hear His calling. "...ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."
Their father is the devil, not God. John 8:44 Because there is no Truth inherently inside of them, they cannot hear the Truth (Jesus). John 14:6

Jesus draws all men, not some. John 12:32

All are given a measure of faith, not some. Romans 12:3

All have to choose to follow the Holy Spirit drawing them, or resist. Acts 7:51

They resist because they love darkness and hate the light:

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Joh 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
 

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You admit that 'Day' CAN mean Day, therefore, based on all of the surrounding scripture context that implies a single day, and none that suggests a longer period of time, that is the definition of the word that you should go with.
I am not anti-science because science is the study of creation in all its myriad forms.
Just because some branches of science are used to discredit our Creator is no reason to think that all science is flawed.
If you used that analogy with religion, then you would reject all religion just because some of it is seriously flawed.

You are choosing science created by man to define the Bible, and as the authority. Faith would choose the opposite course.
I am not really....that would be putting my own meaning onto the word "yôm", but the word is used in various ways even in Genesis.
Genesis 2:4...Jewish Tanakh...
"These are the generations of the heavens and the earth when they were created, on the day that the Lord God made earth and heaven."
Its the same word but it includes all creation on the same "day".

According to Strongs, the KJV renders this word in a variety of ways....
"The KJV translates Strong's H3117 in the following manner: day (2,008x), time (64x), chronicles (with H1697) (37x), daily (44x), ever (18x), year (14x), continually (10x), when (10x), as (10x), while (8x), full (8x), always (4x), whole (4x), alway (4x), miscellaneous (44x).
H3117 - yôm - Strong's Hebrew Lexicon (nasb20)

ongoing twisting and perverting of scripture, proves that time is ..... not yet. ..... Not yet.
There is no perverting of scripture by simply applying a meaning to a word that is just as valid. Just because it doesn't agree with what you want to believe about the "days" of creation, doesn't make it wrong. It is challenging a belief that you have no doubt held for a long time. I used to hold that belief too but I don't anymore because this interpretation makes a lot more sense to me and it gels with the facts of science. The earth itself is ancient.

At the conclusion of each "day" what is the declaration from God? "There was evening and there was morning...a (add number) day."
The Jewish "day" began at sundown and ended at sundown the following day.....so what is evening to morning? Is that a full day? No it isn't, again proving to me that the creative "days" were not 24 hour periods.
We use the word "day" figuratively ourselves....."in my grandfather's day"...is that a 24 hour period?

And when it says "there was evening and morning" it signifies the close of one "day" and the "dawn" or beginning of another. That is more in keeping with what Genesis says.
The Creator is not limited by time...nor is he a magician. Creation is crafted, carefully and thoughtfully put together incrementally, so that God tracked his progress and expressed his satisfaction with each completed period.

Its not a stretch to believe this...in any way. In fact it answers more questions than a six literal day project ever could. It is logical and does not go against anything in scripture.

So its not twisting scripture...its interpreting it in another way...one that is still valid in our understanding of the words of Genesis, but expanded to include the science that is not always wrong.
 
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The scriptures I cited prove that the Lord can and does 'blind' people to the truths of prophecy.
...That my warnings are not accepted is not my concern. The ancient Prophets were vilified and ignored, why should anyone who promotes the truths of what they said; be any different?

You should be concerned if what you're proclaiming is just your own opinion about the word of God, and not actually a prophetic word from God. This would place you in danger of "speaking the Lord's name in vain," or misrepresenting His name. You should be concerned if what you are stating is a false claim to be God's word and a false judgment against those who reject your so-called "word from God."

Can you imagine if I said you're blind if you don't accept my Postrib view, that you're blind if you don't accept my Premill view, that you're blind if you don't accept my interpretation of Daniel 9 and the Olivet Discourse? Where does this end? You are in effect making yourself to be the Holy Spirit incarnate!

We need to be honest and admit that our views are not necessarily the "word of God." They are most often simply *our view* of the word of God.

If indeed it *is* the word of God, then perhaps people are blind. But they may just not have all the facts yet. In this case, it is judgmental to attack all who don't agree with you as "blind to the word of God."
 

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Aunty Jane said:
]Its not a stretch to believe this...in any way. In fact it answers more questions than a six literal day project ever could. It is logical and does not go against anything in scripture.
On the contrary, it does go against scripture. Quite a bit of it, to be honest.

Each of the verses you object to say that it was a 'Day.' Evening and morning makes no difference because the final part of the statement is that it was a Day.

All these things were created and it was the 1st Day.
All these things were created and it was the 2nd Day.
Etc.

To choose not to believe the Creation Event, as laid out by God in His Word, is one of the greatest signs of a lack of faith that there is and it is epidemic in Christendom today. You are part of the masses that believe as you do. Another great percentage believe that somehow evolution must coincide with Creation. It does not. They do not coincide one single bit; like light and darkness.

Where does the concept of the Sabbath literal Day of rest come from? It comes from Creation Week. When you and SO many others trample that truth with your modern explanations of Creation week being something other than what God says it is, and claiming that each Day of it is anything but a single day, you are destroying the foundations of the Sabbath Day of rest for all of those who buy into that absolute nonsense. And guess what? Many of you are doing it knowingly and intentionally.

God said the Sabbath 'DAY' of rest is to be observed from sundown to sundown. That is one literal 24-hour period. Is it not?
Leviticus 23:32

So, ... NO ... it is NOT logical when compared to the Bible as a whole ... and yes, it certainly DOES go against scripture.
 
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You should be concerned if what you're proclaiming is just your own opinion about the word of God, and not actually a prophetic word from God. This would place you in danger of "speaking the Lord's name in vain," or misrepresenting His name. You should be concerned if what you are stating is a false claim to be God's word and a false judgment against those who reject your so-called "word from God."
I remain unconcerned about my task to promote the Prophetic Word.
It is because of the lack of peoples understanding of that Word, I have made a list of the reasons for that:

Isaiah 42:18-20 Who is so blind as My servant; the one in whom I have My trust?

Isaiah 29:9-11 If you confuse yourselves, you will stay ignorant, for the Lord has poured on you a spirit of deep stupor and you have no prophets now. The prophetic Word has become for you like the words in a sealed book.

Isaiah 48:6-8 You have heard what I have said; consider it well, it is the truth. From now on, I will show you new things....because your understanding has been blocked.

Isaiah 56:10-11 The watchmen of Israel are blind and dumb. They understand nothing, all of them going their own way and intent on their own gain.

Jeremiah 23:20 The Lord’s anger is not to be turned aside until He has fully accomplished His purposes. In days to come, you will truly understand.

Isaiah 43:8 Bring forward My people, those who have eyes, but are blind. Have ears but, cannot hear.

Jeremiah 6:10 To whom shall I speak, to whom give warning? The people are incapable of listening, for they treat the Lord’s Word as a reproach.

Jeremiah 33:3 If you call to Me, I shall answer and tell you of great and mysterious things, of which you are still unaware.

Daniel 2:22 God reveals deep mysteries, He knows all things.

Daniel 12:4-9 Keep the Words secret until the time of the end, many will search hard to find this knowledge, but will not succeed.

Isaiah 29:23-24 ...when My people see what I have done in their midst, then they will praise their Maker and regard the Lord with awe and the confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will accept instruction. Isaiah 35:5-6

Matthew 11:25 Father; You hide these things from the wise and learned and reveal them to the uneducated.
[Just FYI, I left school at 15 and have never attended a Bible College, or even been taught by man, anything of Bible prophecy.
I have read plenty, incl 'Late great Planet Earth', etc. I soon saw them as fiction. ]

 

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As I read the back and forth banter, I can’t help but think of 2 Timothy.

7Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

For everyone that I read keeps saying “I’m right, you’re wrong”..that is not walking in Christ likeness. What happened to being humble? Or Love? How can the same mouth be a spring of fresh water and salt water?

It’s the same 5 people in every thread here. You all want to teach, but none is ready to learn because they all think everyone else knows less. The pride is sickening.
 

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On the contrary, it does go against scripture. Quite a bit of it, to be honest.

Each of the verses you object to say that it was a 'Day.' Evening and morning makes no difference because the final part of the statement is that it was a Day.

All these things were created and it was the 1st Day.
All these things were created and it was the 2nd Day.
Etc.

To choose not to believe the Creation Event, as laid out by God in His Word, is one of the greatest signs of a lack of faith that there is and it is epidemic in Christendom today. You are part of the masses that believe as you do. Another great percentage believe that somehow evolution must coincide with Creation. It does not. They do not coincide one single bit; like light and darkness.

Where does the concept of the Sabbath literal Day of rest come from? It comes from Creation Week. When you and SO many others trample that truth with your modern explanations of Creation week being something other than what God says it is, and claiming that each Day of it is anything but a single day, you are destroying the foundations of the Sabbath Day of rest for all of those who buy into that absolute nonsense. And guess what? Many of you are doing it knowingly and intentionally.

God said the Sabbath 'DAY' of rest is to be observed from sundown to sundown. That is one literal 24-hour period. Is it not?
Leviticus 23:32

So, ... NO ... it is NOT logical when compared to the Bible as a whole ... and yes, it certainly DOES go against scripture.

First of all, the specific description of morning and evening being each day, obviously means literal days, not indeterminate time periods.

Indefinite time periods do not have a morning and evening. Only 24 hour earth days have a morning and evening.

And the only reason God took six days for creation , instead of six minutes or 6 seconds, was for a prophetical foreshadow of their being six thousand years, or prophetical days, from the first Adam to the return of the last Adam, and the start of millennial reign of Jesus - with the thousand year millennium being the 7th day, or Gods coming rest which has not been entered into yet - per Hebrews 4.

This is the sabbath-millennium doctrine, well known and taught by the first century church, such as by Barnabas.

And Colossians 2:16-17 alludes to that fact by telling us not to let sabbatholators judge us about the sabbath, because it’s a shadow of Jesus, who is the substance of the sabbath - meaning He IS our rest in the new covenant, instead of the ceremonial day - He continually gives us rest, Matthew 11:28-29, confirming Colossians 2:16-17.

The whole law keeping, circumcision, and sabbath keeping error was settled in the first century in Acts 15, by all the apostles coming together, and remained settled until Ellen G. White regurgitated that error all over again.
 

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GOD is in control of history, nothing random happens
Based in the Word of God, the source of the truth, on God's six Days of creation and one Day of rest (a total of seven days) plus the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years(Psalm 90:v.4; 2Pet.3:v.8; Heb.4:v.4), so MANKIND would go through six God Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).

In accord biblical Chronology, we can number our days beginning in Genesis chapter 5, as follow:
Adam lived …......................................................130 yrs and begat Seth
Seth lived …………………………………………………...............105 yrs and begat Enosh;
Enosh lived ..........................................................90 yrs and begat Kenan;
Kenan lived...........................................................70 yrs and begat Mahalalel;
Mahalalel lived ......................................................65 yrs and begat Jared;
Jared lived ..........................................................162 yrs and begat Enoch;
Enoch lived ...........................................................65 yrs and begat Methuselah;
Methuselah lived...................................................187 yrs and begat Lamech;
Lamech lived .......................................................182 yrs and begat Noah;
From Noah´s birth until the Flood............................600 yrs.
Total of years from Adam to the Flood =.................1.656 yrs.


I work with the Word of God. Notice that the table above is proved by the Word of God, it is not of human theories or human speculations. Let us study the times until our days not by human theories and speculations, but by the Word of God. So, see the table below:

SIX PERIODS OF BIBLICAL TIMES --------------------- DURATION
I - From Adam to the Flood- (Genesis 5)----------------------1,656 years
II - From the Flood to Abraham-(Genesis 11&12)--------------.427 years
III - From Abraham to Exodus-(Gal.3:17)-----------------------430 years
IV - From Exodus to king Saul-(1Reis 6:1-480-84)-------------396 years
V - From Saul to the fall of Jerusalem --------------------------.508 years
VI - From the fall of Jerusalem to Jesus ------------------------.587 years
Thus, from Adam to the 1st coming of Jesus ----------------.4,004 years
From Jesus to our days (Christian Calendar)-----------------.2,022 years
Total from Adam to our days ----------------------------------6.026 years -

THE SIXTH DAY ENDED, HERE THE TURN OF DAY SIXTH -SIXTH MILLENNIUM- TO THE SEVENTH DAY-SEVENTH MILLENNIUM

JESUS-the Greater Light,Genesis 1:v.16-came in the fourth Day or around 4,000 years after GOD has started His works of restitution of all things-Genesis 1. From JESUS (fourth Day) until our days, have passed more TWO DAYS or 2,000 years (one Day with the Lord is as a thousand years), totaling 6 complete Days or six complete millenniums,or around 6.000 years, more precisely 6,025 years, according Christian Calendar pointing the year 2.021.

So, we have entered in the beginning of the first century of the seventh and last millennium, or seventh and last Day, the Lord's Day, the Millennium of Christ, the Millennium of Truth, the Millennium of Judgment, the Judgment Seat of Christ, the Millennium of Vengeance.

The world of Devil is already Judged and Condemned, and now, in this seventh and last millennium, it will be punished with strong punishments, there will be only and only punishments in this last Day, the Day of the Lord, King of kings and LORD of lords.

And God Father has already entered in His rest, as He had planned in the beginning of His works, but He is not sleeping, of course, and JESUS takes over the government of the Universe. JESUS said: All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Matthew 28:v.18

JESUS is now sat on His Throne, the Judgment Seat of Christ, to Judge all nations, taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not His gospel, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the Glory of His Power.
 

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the Scriptures that teach that one Day is with the Lord as a thousand years(Psalm 90:v.4; 2Pet.3:v.8; Heb.4:v.4),
Nope, nope, nope. Not surprising at all that you would pull this crud.

You don't just throw out a handful of verses and claim "See, this proves my entire argument!"

Psalms 90:4 doesn't even come close to making the case that a Biblical Day equals 1,000 years. Not even close.

"For a thousand years in Thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night."

Not even a hint of reference to a Day's period of time. Shameless!

Hebrews 4:4 is yet another FAIL for you, Oseas.
"For He spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all His works."

Not a WORD about a thousand year time period.

Nothing shocks me anymore about the absolute despair of you people to try and prove something that discredits scripture.

Absolutely shameful misrepresentation of the truth.

The only verse that even comes close to proving your position there is 2 Peter 3:8. And it is easily debunked.

When read along with the surrounding scripture (context?), it is clear as day that it is not teaching that a Day is equal to a thousand years.

This verse is almost always used with only the first part of the verse being posted while the second part is intentionally left out. Here's why.

Look carefully. 2 Peter chapter 3 is discussing people growing impatient about the coming of the Lord.
The verse makes a statement one way, then immediately turns it the other way to make the author's point.
"... one day is with the Lord as a thousand years (are to man), and a thousand years (with the Lord) are as a day (to man)."

The point is that God exists outside of time. He created the 3 dimensions that we exist within, therefore He exists outside of them. Time is not the same for Him; He is not taking forever to do something, He is doing it exactly when it is supposed to be done in His plan.

If that's not convincing enough, look 2 verses further at 2 Peter 3:10. The Day of the Lord (a 1,000 yr time period?) is going to completely sneak up on us and SURPRISE us?

Failure.
so MANKIND would go through six God Days of 1,000 years each (a total of 6,000 years) plus a Millennium of 1,000 years rest (now a total of 7,000 years).
Nope.

UTTER ... Failure.

The rest of your post balanced upon those 3 verses as its foundation. Without them, the post is kaput.
 
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Nope, nope, nope. Not surprising at all that you would pull this crud.
You don't just throw out a handful of verses and claim "See, this proves my entire argument!"
Psalms 90:4 doesn't even come
close to making the case that a Biblical Day equals 1,000 years. Not even close.
"For a thousand years in Thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night."
Psalms 90:4
Not even a hint of reference to a Day's period of time. Shameless!
Hebrews 4:4 is yet another FAIL for you, Oseas.
"For He spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all His works."
Not a WORD about a thousand year time period.

Nothing shocks me anymore about the absolute despair of you people to try and prove something that discredits scripture.
Absolutely shameful misrepresentation of the truth.
The only verse that even comes close to proving your position there is 2 Peter 3:8. And it is easily debunked.
When read along with the surrounding scripture (context?), it is clear as day that it is not teaching that a Day is equal to a thousand years.
This verse is almost always used with only the first part of the verse being posted while the second part is intentionally left out. Here's why.
Look carefully. 2 Peter chapter 3 is discussing people growing impatient about the coming of the Lord.
The verse makes a statement one way, then immediately turns it the other way to make the author's point.
"... one day is with the Lord as a thousand years (are to man), and a thousand years (with the Lord) are as a day (to man)."

The point is that God exists outside of time. He created the 3 dimensions that we exist within, therefore He exists outside of them. Time is not the same for Him; He is not taking forever to do something, He is doing it exactly when it is supposed to be done in His plan.
If that's not convincing enough, look 2 verses further at 2 Peter 3:10. The Day of the Lord (a 1,000 yr time period?) is going to completely sneak up on us and SURPRISE us?

Failure.
Nope.

UTTER ... Failure.
The rest of your post balanced upon those 3 verses as its foundation. Without them, the post is kaput.

Maybe, yeah, maybe, the day that you become free of your devilish idolatry spread by the satanic Roman Catholic Church which rides upon the Beast of sea, and be free from the CURSE of the cross you carry upon yourself, as your icon, with which is impossible to heir the Kingdom of GOD, YEAH, maybe you will UNDERSTAND the Word of GOD.
 

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Maybe, yeah, maybe, the day that you become free of your devilish idolatry spread by the satanic Roman Catholic Church which rides upon the Beast of sea, and be free from the CURSE of the cross you carry upon yourself, as your icon, with which is impossible to heir the Kingdom of GOD, YEAH, maybe you will UNDERSTAND the Word of GOD.
Maybe.

Til then, I'm just glad we're good friends and we can keep the iron sharp.
 

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On the contrary, it does go against scripture. Quite a bit of it, to be honest.

Each of the verses you object to say that it was a 'Day.' Evening and morning makes no difference because the final part of the statement is that it was a Day.

All these things were created and it was the 1st Day.
All these things were created and it was the 2nd Day.
Etc.

To choose not to believe the Creation Event, as laid out by God in His Word, is one of the greatest signs of a lack of faith that there is and it is epidemic in Christendom today. You are part of the masses that believe as you do. Another great percentage believe that somehow evolution must coincide with Creation. It does not. They do not coincide one single bit; like light and darkness.

Where does the concept of the Sabbath literal Day of rest come from? It comes from Creation Week. When you and SO many others trample that truth with your modern explanations of Creation week being something other than what God says it is, and claiming that each Day of it is anything but a single day, you are destroying the foundations of the Sabbath Day of rest for all of those who buy into that absolute nonsense. And guess what? Many of you are doing it knowingly and intentionally.

God said the Sabbath 'DAY' of rest is to be observed from sundown to sundown. That is one literal 24-hour period. Is it not?
Leviticus 23:32

So, ... NO ... it is NOT logical when compared to the Bible as a whole ... and yes, it certainly DOES go against scripture.
There is a certain kind of blindness GEN2REV, that does not allow many to see the validity of what is shown to them in scripture. But that's OK. I am a firm believer in the fact that...."A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still".

You stick to what you want to believe and I'll stick to what scripture says without making excuses for beliefs that make no sense scientifically or otherwise. Any way you look at it, evening to morning is not a 24 hour day. To a Jew, it was not speaking about a literal day. They knew what the word "yôm" meant in Hebrew, even if many English speakers do not.
 

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Why are they called "frogs"? Any ideas?

As you know, the battle of Ar(heaven) - Mag(Magog) - Eddon(means red) is against three UNCLEAN SPIRITS like frogs. Why frogs? I searched deeply an explanation for this biblical mystery, and by the Word of GOD what I found is the follow:

As you and all know, in general, frogs are amphibians vertebrate animals that live in the aquatic environment and on the terrestrial environment. But is it the same in the spiritual environment? Yes, it is.

1 - THE AQUATIC ENVIRONMENT OF THE EVIL SPIRITS LIKE FROGS
Revelation 17:v.15 - And the angel saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. NOTE: Except the TRUE CHRISTIANS/BELIEVERS, all the peoples of all the nations are leaded, and dominated, and guided by the THREE UNCLEAN SPIRITS like frogs. TERRIBLE. TERRIBLE.

That said, we can see by the verse 15 above the aquatic environment of these three spirits of demons like frogs which guide the peoples or rule nations of all tongues in whole earth, through all kind of devilish systems, as religious systems as Catholicism, and Judaism, and spiritism, budhism, islamism, among others), and also political systems, and military systems, and social and cultural systems, among others systems. In fact, Satan goes to and fro and from walking up and down among them.


2 - THE TERRESTRIAL ENVIRONMENT OF THE EVIL SPIRITS LIKE FROGS

FIRST we need to understand Israel is an island among the waters (Gentile nations) or in the middle of the sea, as is described above in according the Scriptures. Israel is the earth, a dry land, Genesis 1:v.10 or still the clay-Isaiah 64:v.8- a dry land surrounded by water on all sides or by allegory surrounded by the Gentile nations. Remember, even Isaiah prophesized saying:
Isaiah 41:v.1-2 -
1 - Keep silence before me, O islands; and let the people renew their strength: let them come near; then let them speak: let us come near together to Judgment.
2 Who raised up the righteous man from the east, called him to his foot, gave the nations before him, and made him rule over kings? he gave them as the dust to his Sword-Revelation 2:v.26 to 28-, and as driven stubble to his bow. (bow-Revelation 6:v.2)

That said, there is no doubt that Israel is the earth, the dry land, with its great city spiritually called Sodom and Egypt, yeah, Israel, the earth, the dry land, was and is also dominated by the unclean spirits like frogs, which infested the nation of idolatries, and wichcraft, idolaters and spiritist peoples or esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist peoples that follow the esoteric and kabbalistic and spiritist Judaism, and they are waiting their messiah who must manifest himself soon (he was born decades ago and must manifest himself soon-2 Thes.2:v.6), and he will be one of the heads of the MONSTRUOUS and SATANIC Antichrist's Empire together the Beast of sea-Daniel 2:v.40 to 43 and Revelation 13:v.1 to 10-the Beast of sea- and Revelation 13:v.11 to 18-the Beast of the earth.

These are the spiritual ENVIRONMENT that the GOD's people will see in the last week 70th Daniel 9:v.27.

Be careful and get ready

Revelation 2:v.25 to 29
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

28 And I will give him the morning star.

29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
 

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Evening to evening is.
Leviticus 23:32

Any way you look at it.
Ummmm.....are you losing your train of thought here? :confused:

I believe that we were speaking about the fact that ‘evening to morning’ stated in the creative “days” proves that they were not 24 hour days. If it had said “evening to evening", then you could perhaps argue for a 24 hour day....

Leviticus 32:32 says....
“It shall be to you a Sabbath of solemn rest, and you shall afflict yourselves. On the ninth day of the month beginning at evening, from evening to evening shall you keep your Sabbath.” (ESV)

This is the weekly Sabbath commanded for the Jews.....evening to evening on the seventh day of their week.....so what has that got to do with the creative days?

The seventh day of Jehovah's rest has not yet ended....
 

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Why do you even preach on the Bible if you've discovered so many things wrong with it?
There is n nothing wrong with the bible, its with people like you who can't see the facts that God laid down, He never said DAY He said YOWM or time period. You have looked at the KJV, which was translated close to 3000 years after Genesis and stated, LOOK, this says day. And you refuse to look at al the FACTS an them look t the actual Hebrew word which says TIME PERIOD and insert the actual TIME PERIOD all because you do nit use the common horse sense you were born with.

Nothing is wrong with the ible it says YOWM which can be a day and is most of the time because even if you or I were talking in general in a back about our lives a DAY would come up more often than a month, year, or a even a minute or hour, but if I spoke about getting up early in the morning or YOWM it would be a day, it would probably be about an hour 4:am, ad we I used the same word for month as day like they did and I spoke month of December that leads up to Christmas, I would still use the same word and describe that whole month. But if I spoke only about Christmas Day I would still use that SAME WORD and describe Christmas day only. So its you who have the problem not the bible, and it doesn't matter that I showed you it can mean a Year, X Whole, Time Period, a Month etc. etc. only can mean day because that what the KJV says, SMH. And by the way, common sense tells us that Moses would have had no way of describing billions of years at that time, so he simply placed the word YOWM there and the only description we got was God's point of view of Creation, instead of a YOWM as used n one days journey for lets say 15 miles via a man traveling from one city to another, thus a YOWM (Days) journey description. So, instead we got God's description of creation. If there is ONE THING God is it is orderly, He did not change the Laws of Nature that He created in order to hurry up creation when He lives in ALL TIME at once, that is what you might do as a man if you were creating because men are impatient, God is not, He is ETERNAL, thus he is never impatient, the constants never changed.

So, basically you are fibbing on God and don't even realize how dangerous tat is, God said YOWM not DAY. Saying this in ignorance is one thing, being stubborn when shown the facts is another thing totally. Do you even understand how many millions of years it would take our earths crust to cool down so that grass and plants could grow? You think that God does magic, no God is orderly, He follows His Laws of Nature which He created. He can do anything, but He does every thing orderly, you think God changed the Laws of Nature to HURRY UP, I don't, I think you misunderstand what YOWM means. I am correct and you are in error. It takes millions of years for Dinos to turn into oil, but the earth is only 6000 years old, you will never, ever reach those atheists, or our children of today with that wrong assumption, they look at you and shake their heads, thinking to themselves that God must also be figment of your imagination. Thus you destroy your own testimony. Whereas I can reach atheist and kids with mine, which is why I spent all the time pondering this to start with. Facts are very important. The reason I never got of on the Santa Clause trip is if you lied about Santa, the kids are going to think the same thing about Jesus.

Sounds to me like it's holding you back from your true calling.

Why speak out for such an antiquated, cryptic and mysterious book that nobody seems to understand properly? (Other than yourself, of course.)
When we get to Heaven I will be RIGHT on this subject, and you will know it as soon as we are Raptured pre trib, all truth will hit you at once.
 

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No, he's not fibbing on God. that is a ridiculous thing to say.
You have death before sin, if your are correct. the wages of sin is death. I don't think the animals were touched with sin until they were tainted after the Fall.
When we get to Heaven I will be RIGHT on this subject, and you will know it as soon as we are Raptured pre trib, all truth will hit you at once.

This is the whole thing--instead of talking about how God's word is right, you proclaim you will be. What are we supposed to do when you post , genuflect?

There is no Christ that I see in your posts. You are more about yourself.

I've seen all I need to see... I'll let myself out. still a firm believer in 6 days.
 
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