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Aunty Jane

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BTW list one watchtower charity I can look up, that gives that hand up instead of a handout - because those don’t exist either.
We do not run charities. We are a Christian body who takes personal responsibility to care for those who need help in becoming Christ's followers. We do it on an individual basis, according to need. That was demonstrated by Jesus' parable of the good Samaritan....see a need and fill it. True Christians help people to become disciples of Christ. We are not under obligation to give charity to those who often refuse to help themselves. There are no "rice Christians" in our ranks. Even Jesus questioned the motives of those who came a second time to hear his sermons.....he asked if they had just come for the free food....
 

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Not really related to the OP is it?

In any event, you are totally wrong. Read about Christian transformation and a New Creation, which means we have a changed, divine nature.

Make a blessed day!

I think that’s maybe where his mind was when he began the thread. He was around a lot of churchianity and didn’t SEE changed natures. He probably heard a lot of talk ABOUT a changed nature, but didn’t SEE it. He saw manners that parents and society teach us. And he said it’s very hard for him to act against his own nature but he does the best he can on it, which is pretty much where most Christians are stuck. So if he, being an atheist, is in the same place the Christians he meets are, maybe he wonders why they think they have something he clearly sees they don’t and maybe he is walking in more truth than they are as he sees his hypocrisies and unloveliness whereas they don’t seem to see theirs.
Of course, it’s a mistake to discard God because religious men are hypocritical, but I can understand why he went that way. But he does see beauty and wisdom in the Bible. He just doesn’t see it in the men who read it and make up doctrines based on it.
Who was it who said, I love the Jesus I read about, I just don’t like His followers.
 
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@I.O.U, how can I pray for you to have peace and live joyfully day by day even though we live in a fallen world were everyone from every race, tribe and tongue has fallen short of the mark?
 

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There's more than 2 billion Christian's. Who have now become a protected group, who receives preferential treatment, who had so much time. Christianity is the dominant religion today (So much that it's abnormal to not be a believing Christian in politics) So who is persecuting you that much you're prevented from resolving much of the world's problems.
The Saducees and the Pharisees and the Pharaohs, Emporers, Kings, Presidents... principalities in high places.
They control the world we live in. We live in the world but we are not of the world. We seperate ourselves from the desire for greed and gain and popularity.
Many are weak who claim they are strong. They are manipulated by the lies that infest the world.
True Christians are persecuted, silenced, ridiculed, "conspiracy theorists" , considered terrorists to the elites way of life.
There may be 2 billion people who call themselves Christians. But the Lord knows the number is so much less.
It's not about the number of soldiers in an army, many will fall.
It's the ones who know how to stand, that are protected in His hand.
We are the Called, We are the Chosen, We are few and not the many.

We don't cave, we don't give in, we don't bow the knee to them.
Like attracts like. You want to see more Christians then you have to become one first.
Otherwise the world will cloud your vision and you will never see clearly.

Do unto others is the golden rule, all other laws are just for fools.

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Hear words of your God.
Genesis 6:7 - Then the Lord said, “I will wipe off from the face of the earth mankind, whom I created, together with the animals, creatures that crawl, and birds of the sky—for I regret that I made them.”

Even though you believe God knows everything (Is the beginning and end) He still regretted creating human beings.

I understand why. I really can.
Good. Why God created the world the way it is, I can only speculate. My working theory is that for whatever he has planned for us to become, it is necessary that we experientially know Good and Evil. I can live with that.

The Christian hope is that our God will remake this world he created. We believe that since he created it, he's the only one who can fix it. We can't even fix ourselves. What Jesus offers the opportunity to live in that new world, remade as a creature that is distinctly you - but not douche-y. And the people you share this new world with won't be such @$$#*!es (or smart @$$es like me). If you're interested, we can talk about it. If not, I suggest you bail out now.
 
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Good. Why God created the world the way it is, I can only speculate. My working theory is that for whatever he has planned for us to become, it is necessary that we experientially know Good and Evil. I can live with that.

The Christian hope is that our God will remake this world he created. We believe that since he created it, he's the only one who can fix it. We can't even fix ourselves. What Jesus offers the opportunity to live in that new world, remade as a creature that is distinctly you - but not douche-y. And the people you share this new world with won't be such @$$#*!es. If you're interested, we can talk about it. If not, I suggest you bail out now.

This is wisdom. God sees it necessary that we know the consequences of evil. This fallen world is just evil. He has laid before is a choice. To choose this fallen world and the devil or to choose something much much better.
 

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When did God serve those who were not his? He took care of his own and when they were disobedient, he punished them. He expected them to make the effort to obey his commands....did Jesus tell us to expect anything less?

Feeding and clothing the body will not save anyone. Helping someone with a ‘hand up’ doesn’t mean endlessly giving them ‘hand outs’. We are to make disciples of them, (Matthew 28:19-20) and if they show no interest in God or his Christ, they are then left to others who will feed and clothe them....which falls to governments.

God provides for his own and always has.....but who are his own today?

Do you think all those 5000 that Jesus had COMPASSION on and fed, were saved??

Isaiah 58:7 "Share your food with the hungry, and give shelter to the homeless. Give clothes to those who need them, and do not hide from relatives who need your help."

Ezekiel 18:7" He is a merciful creditor, not keeping the items given as security by poor debtors. He does not rob the poor but instead gives food to the hungry and provides clothes for the needy."

Luke 3:11 "He answered them, “Whoever has two shirts should share with the person who doesn’t have any. Whoever has food should share it too.”

Proverbs 19:17 "The one who is gracious to the poor lends to the Lord, and the Lord will repay him for his good deed."

Proverbs 22:9 "A generous person will be blessed, for he gives some of his food to the poor."

Galations 6:10
"Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers."

It rains on the just as well as the unjust. God gives good things to ALL people, not just His.
Most have a very selfish view of what it means to serve Jesus. He edoes NOT bless us to use it only for ourselves or those who love us.

Sorry, cannot agree with a thing you said and it seems you have resentment somewhere, your spirit screams across your words.

I will pray for a softened heart for you.

Matthew 25:
And, BTW-who said anything about "endless handouts"?? You do realize that if we feed, clothe, give water, milk or what is needed to the poor (whom we will always have around us) that, we are serving Jesus?

34"Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’…"

NOT to mention: Matthew 25:34-36 Wonder what you would do in these cases:
"34Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave Me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave Me something to drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, 36I was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you looked after Me, I was in prison and you visited Me.’…"
 
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We do not run charities. We are a Christian body who takes personal responsibility to care for those who need help in becoming Christ's followers. We do it on an individual basis, according to need. That was demonstrated by Jesus' parable of the good Samaritan....see a need and fill it. True Christians help people to become disciples of Christ. We are not under obligation to give charity to those who often refuse to help themselves. There are no "rice Christians" in our ranks. Even Jesus questioned the motives of those who came a second time to hear his sermons.....he asked if they had just come for the free food....
Jesus proved you wrong. Jesus first filled physical needs before filling spiritual needs, healing the sick, feeding 5,000 people, etc, and that’s what Christians, not JWs, but Christians, do.

You claim to do it on an individual basis.

How many homeless people are currently in your home? Or ever were?

How many needy persons and families are you feeding today? Or ever fed?

Christians- real followers of Christ - do that regularly by running or financially supporting charities that do exactly that, and more.

One of the charities I support, and thus share in their ministry, digs wells for villages who only have filthy water that they must carry long distances, pays for operations of needy children with heart, or vision or other problems, fixes storm damaged houses, builds houses in third world nation, gives hundreds of tons of food to the hungry, and much much more.

James said it - be doers of the word and not hearers only, DECEIVING YOURSELVES.
 

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Jesus proved you wrong. Jesus first filled physical needs before filling spiritual needs
Curtis, please don't hijack this thread.

This thread is about how an atheist does not see Christ living in his followers - and us trying to reach him.

Feel free to open a new thread to condemn @Aunty Jane for going about Christ's work differently from the way you prefer.

Thanks!
 
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Mantis

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I don’t know why the OP keeps posting stuff on this forum. As far as I can tell he hates us, hates Christians. I don’t know why. It is sad when the majority of people here would love to see him come to Jesus and be saved. We would love to help him.
 

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I don’t know why the OP keeps posting stuff on this forum. As far as I can tell he hates us, hates Christians. I don’t know why. It is sad when the majority of people here would love to see him come to Jesus and be saved. We would love to help him.
Perhaps it's best to just leave him alone and let God deal with him in His own time.
 
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I do the best I can do under the circumstances. Besides that, it's extremely painful to live against how nature made me function. Sure I'm a douche, and do douchey thing's, I'm well aware of my douchebag behaviour. But better if I can see myself clearly, rather than be a total douche and deny it all along.

See my beef with Christian's really comes down to knowing the Bible itself, and how it's used. It's supposed to be a mirror so we can see our imperfections (Not other people's) Because how can we assist anyone else with their flaws if we don't deal with ours first.
"The best cure for Christianity is reading the Bible" SClemens
 
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I'm doomed, I'm absolutely doomed. In a world full of believer's, it would be better that I die now. Always now.
No need to heap up more wrath against yourself, I imagine!

Much love!
 

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Didn't Jesus say:
"If anyone comes to me, and does not hate his father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters and yes, even his life, he is not able to be my disciple."
And what did Jesus mean?

Much love!
 

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Love is just a byword for those who profess it and never live it. I've had it with human beings who believe they have love, but do nothing to prove it.
BEHOLD THE HUMANITY OF CHRIST

Eph 2:1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,

Eph 5:2 And walk in love, as Christ also has loved us and given Himself for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling aroma.

Eph 5:14 Therefore He says: "Awake, you who sleep, Arise from the dead, And Christ will give you light."
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Love is just a byword for those who profess it and never live it. I've had it with human beings who believe they have love, but do nothing to prove it.
Einstein said the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over expecting different results. Human love is not to be trusted. Look higher.

Jer 17:5-10 Thus says the LORD: "Cursed is the man who trusts in man And makes flesh his strength, Whose heart departs from the LORD. (6) For he shall be like a shrub in the desert, And shall not see when good comes, But shall inhabit the parched places in the wilderness, In a salt land which is not inhabited. (7) "Blessed is the man who trusts in the LORD, And whose hope is the LORD. (8) For he shall be like a tree planted by the waters, Which spreads out its roots by the river, And will not fear when heat comes; But its leaf will be green, And will not be anxious in the year of drought, Nor will cease from yielding fruit. (9) "The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it? (10) I, the LORD, search the heart, I test the mind, Even to give every man according to his ways, According to the fruit of his doings.