Can people in Heaven know?

Taken · Jan 24, 2022

TLHKAJ said:
Yes, I do. I don't see any words to indicate otherwise. I don't believe Jesus would use an untruth to teach a truth. This wasn't a parable where He didn't use personal names. In this account, Jesus used names...one being Abraham. Why would He say that Abraham said something he didn't say? Jesus didn't lie.

Jesus taught in parables. (With and without express Names).
OF Many who had gathered to hear Jesus preach;
....^ Some were honest enough to say they didn’t believe, and walked away.
....^ Some stayed and continued listening Because they Believed every word.

The point is........JESUS could not lie.
Nothing to figure out in his Parables, every word is True.

TODAY....men double-speak.....
oh oh, Jesus doesn’t lie....TRUTH
oh oh, Jesus’ parable doesn’t mean the precise words he said.....LIE

UTTER oxiMORON....^^^

Bob Estey · Jan 24, 2022

Lifelong_sinner said:
it’d be great if only we could. wait…. Dont tell me, you dont sin anymore, right??

If only we could? Are you saying that we can't stop? I try not to sin.

Cassandra · Jan 24, 2022

devin553344 said:
The bible says we become as angels in heaven. The word 'as' is often misinterpreted as you are doing here.

the devil and his angels will die.

Or perhaps it is you that is misinterpreting it.

ScottA · Jan 24, 2022

Lifelong_sinner said:
Can those who did make it to Heaven know if a living family member is/will be saved??

The time-bound nature of one living in the world, would make one wonder.

But the timeless nature of God and those in His presence, does not work that way. This is made clear by Paul's comment, that "to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord." 2 Corinthians 5:8

If one is able to wrap their mind around it, if we consider what Paul said about us all leave the world "each in his own order", meaning, each in their own time, together with the truth also stated in Revelations, that in heaven there is no "shadow of turning", meaning no days, nights, seasons or time...then we can know that rather than us all arriving in heaven "each in his own order" as is true in the world and of our leaving the world-- that would mean we all arrive together.

This is confirmed in the scriptures, where it says that we "shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord." Which is not to say that the so called Rapture is a onetime event, but occurs rather as it is written, "each in his own order." But rather this is to say, that we shall all be caught up together in the spirit, which is in the presents of the Father in heaven where there is "no shadow of turning", no time.

JunChosen · Jan 24, 2022

[QUOTE="Bob Estey, post: 1219300, member: 12608"]We've all sinned. Wouldn't it be a good idea to stop sinning?[/QUOTE]

Yes wouldn't it be nice to stop sinning? But we can't BECAUSE we are all naturally born sinners!

Consider Romans 7:14-25 which reads:
14) For we know that the law is spiritual but I am carnal sold under sin.
15) For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18) For I know that in me that is, in my flesh, welledth no good thing: but to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not
19) For the good that I would I do not : but the evil which I would not that I do
20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21) I find then a law , that, when I do good, evil is present in me.
22) For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23) But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Bob Estey · Jan 24, 2022

JunChosen said:
Yes wouldn't it be nice to stop sinning? But we can't BECAUSE we are all naturally born sinners!

Consider Romans 7:14-25 which reads:
14) For we know that the law is spiritual but I am carnal sold under sin.
15) For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
16) If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
17) Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
18) For I know that in me that is, in my flesh, welledth no good thing: but to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not
19) For the good that I would I do not : but the evil which I would not that I do
20) Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
21) I find then a law , that, when I do good, evil is present in me.
22) For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
23) But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
24) O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
25) I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

Jesus commanded us to repent (Matthew 4:17). Jesus told us that we “must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect (Matthew 5:48).” Do you at some point make the effort to resist the temptation to sin?

JunChosen · Jan 25, 2022

Bob Estey said:
Jesus commanded us to repent (Matthew 4:17). Jesus told us that we “must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect (Matthew 5:48).” Do you at some point make the effort to resist the temptation to sin?

I say this with love and kindness, but you have no understanding of the Scripture references you quoted above. We can never achieve what are stipulated in those passages because they require works aside from them being principles.

Scripture teaches that we can't work for our salvation less anyone should boast. To make ourselves "perfect" is works that we do and those who "repent" are they whom God elected to salvation in eternity past and before the foundation of the world.

Obviously, all Christians wants to refrain from sinning but we can't because we still have a body that lusts after sin until the last day when it is raised up then we will completely be saved.

Please read Romans 7 again and again till you can grasp it's meaning.

MatthewG · Jan 25, 2022

Lifelong_sinner said:
Can those who did make it to Heaven know if a living family member is/will be saved??

I believe people can know the truth that by faith heaven is a reality and that all people end up in the heavenly realm when they die.

Due to many confusion about hell, and people believing that eternal damnation and punishment is a thing that people end up in is a belief that comes from generations of traditions of man.

The biblical response is that no matter what people end up in the Heavenly realm, and even if they end up of on the outside of the heavenly Jerusalem due to non faith, God is still calling to them to come to the light and truth, and this relates to Revelation 22.

With believers may have the right to go and enter the kingdom which is by faith on Jesus who is the door way to the kingdom of God.

With unbelievers outside the door of the kingdom, which has doors all around the sides of the city.

In Christian faith all people are resurrected, that is an assurance of the promise of Jesus Christ.

Thank you for your question.

1 Corinthians 2:9

JunChosen · Jan 25, 2022

Don't people read/study their Bible any longer before they go to the market place [forums] and present their comments? Or, they just don't know how to read OP's?

The question that was asked by @Lifelong_sinner was: "Can those who did make it to Heaven know if a living family member is/will be saved??

This is a very simple question to answer either we know it or don't. Yet I find that there are those who create a novel when giving their answer. I like what @devin553344 said: "I think so but I can't be sure because scripture doesn't tell us about that."

However, Scripture does tell us and it's simple if we know where to look.

We read in Revelation 21:1-5:
1) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2) And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3) And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4) And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither there shall be any more pain: for the FORMER THINGS ARE PASSED AWAY.
5) And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Imagine if God didn't take away those things in verse 4? we would still have tears, sorrow, and crying, not knowing the anguish of pain in heaven if there be one family member left behind that didn't make it?

I'm glad that God did take away those things and remembered no more!!!

O! What a wonderful God I serve.

To God Be The Glory

MatthewG · Jan 25, 2022

It’s a faithful and true saying for sure @JunChosen. The Bible does have the answer, and the truth is found in it. It’s toil and painful to go digging for the riches and treasures and wisdom that is presented to us by Yeshua Christ.

Faith is believing in the things you can’t yet see but are hopeful to expect.

Bob Estey · Jan 25, 2022

JunChosen said:
I say this with love and kindness, but you have no understanding of the Scripture references you quoted above. We can never achieve what are stipulated in those passages because they require works aside from them being principles.

Scripture teaches that we can't work for our salvation less anyone should boast. To make ourselves "perfect" is works that we do and those who "repent" are they whom God elected to salvation in eternity past and before the foundation of the world.

Obviously, all Christians wants to refrain from sinning but we can't because we still have a body that lusts after sin until the last day when it is raised up then we will completely be saved.

Please read Romans 7 again and again till you can grasp it's meaning.

I think I do. When I repented of my sin, my life was transformed. Is it wrong for me to share what I've learned?

JunChosen · Jan 26, 2022

Bob Estey said:
I think I do. When I repented of my sin, my life was transformed. Is it wrong for me to share what I've learned?

No, it is not wrong for you to share what you've learned however; can you tell me how many times does your life is transformed in a day?

Bob Estey · Jan 26, 2022

JunChosen said:
No, it is not wrong for you to share what you've learned however; can you tell me how many times does your life is transformed in a day?

The transformation I spoke of was one that can't be put into words, nor do I think it can be repeated nor outdone. Such a transformation occurs once in a lifetime.

HisLife · Jan 26, 2022

Bob Estey said:
The transformation I spoke of was one that can't be put into words, nor do I think it can be repeated nor outdone. Such a transformation occurs once in a lifetime.

When you repented of your sins your life transformed? do you feel better when you sin less or did you stop sinning completely when you repented of your sins

JunChosen · Jan 26, 2022

Bob Estey said:
The transformation I spoke of was one that can't be put into words, nor do I think it can be repeated nor outdone. Such a transformation occurs once in a lifetime.

Really? You only repented once in your lifetime?

Even Paul must have repented many times because he said he was the "chief" sinner. 1 Timothy 1:15.

Hidden In Him · Jan 26, 2022

JunChosen said:
NO ONE HAS GONE TO HEAVEN AND BACK DOWN TO EARTH AGAIN AND TELL THEIR STORY!. Paul who was in the third heaven was not allowed to utter what he saw!

Read 2 Corinthians 12:1-4

My apologies, JunChosen. I passed this over without responding.

About this, I think you are misinterpreting the phrase and what it is talking specifically about. There are several people in scripture who saw Heaven and described it, among them Ezekiel and the apostle John.

HisLife · Jan 26, 2022

JunChosen said:
Really? You only repented once in your lifetime?

Even Paul must have repented many times because he said he was the "chief" sinner. 1 Timothy 1:15.

Repenting of Sins isn't the problem here, You can repent of Sins till the Sun goes down, without shedding of blood there is no remission., Jesus died for our sins, The repentance that only needs to be done once is the repentance on non belief to believing on Jesus, I hope none would ever repent of that repentance

JunChosen · Jan 26, 2022

[QUOTE="Hidden In Him, post: 1221340, member: 7840"]My apologies, JunChosen. I passed this over without responding.

About this, I think you are misinterpreting the phrase and what it is talking specifically about. There are several people in scripture who saw Heaven and described it, among them Ezekiel and the apostle John.[/QUOTE]

I know that John wrote the Book of Revelation. But the information he received was given to him by the Lord Himself, and John was told to write it in a book [Bible].

Also I know of Ezekiel going up into heaven in a whirlwind, but he never did come back down to earth until in the Garden of Gethsemane.

I know of one other person that went to heaven for four days and came back down to earth, but he was never ordered not to reveal anything about heaven.

I'm not aware of anyone else. Please enlighten me.

JunChosen · Jan 26, 2022

HisLife said:
Repenting of Sins isn't the problem here, You can repent of Sins till the Sun goes down, without shedding of blood there is no remission., Jesus died for our sins, The repentance that only needs to be done once is the repentance on non belief to believing on Jesus, I hope none would ever repent of that repentance[/QUOTE]

All sins are forgiven of men, except the unforgivable sin.

Matthew 12:32 reads:
And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

THEREFORE, THE REPENTANCE THAT ONLY NEEDS TO BE DONE ONCE IS NEVER THE REPENTANCE ON NON BELIEF TO BELIEVING ON JESUS AS YOU CLAIM, BECAUSE NON BELIEF TO BELIEVING ON JESUS IS FORGIVABLE!!!

Study your Bible.

Hidden In Him · Jan 26, 2022

JunChosen said:
I'm not aware of anyone else. Please enlighten me.

Stephen, who had his eyes opened to see a vision of the Lord seated at the right hand of the Father.

But as for numerous other references I could cite for you from our times, that would be a long list, and I'm not sure a heathy one if we would start nitpicking as to the individual and their "credentials." For one God tends to often chose those who are of no account to this world (1 Corinthians 1), and for another Satan has a way of consistently slandering those God chooses to discredit any message he knows is indeed coming from God.

I was simply pointing out that there are indeed those who have been there in Spirit and come back to tell of what they saw, or have seen visions and reported what they saw in the vision. It's not as uncommon as one would think.

God bless, and thanks for the reply.

Hope you are having a decent winter
- H

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