The 10 Commandments are FOREVER

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We are not building New Jerusalem, Jesus went to prepare that place for us. We may be (hopefully) lively stones, but that does not mean our works are only how many other people we fish into the kingdom. Some watered, some sowed, some gathered, etc etc. Our works are what we do, not other people. Yes, His command was to preach the gospel, so hopefully people will have done that and have persuaded many others. You don't get to say that just because we are referred to as stones in one passage, that whenever the word work is used it means something to do with a stone!
 

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isn't it interesting how we try to jamb each other in a corner so we can have ammunition for the next round?
How would answering a basic question that is central to the issue be jamming anything? If people boast how we need to keep the ten commandments, do they keep them? They do need to reply.
 

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His answer is the right one. ↑↑↑
The right answer would be no, or yes. Not some strawman verse that you think means something, but apparently can't quite say what. You have avoided answering the question. Do you always keep every one of the ten commandments, yes or no. All you need post is the no or yes.
 

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just because we are referred to as stones in one passage, that whenever the word work is used it means something to do with a stone!
It means that in 1 Corinthians 3:8-15.
Buildings can be made of wood, or hay (watch Gilligan's Island much?), or imperishable materials like stone and precious metals.
Only those building blocks in the building of God able to withstand fire will survive the coming judgment. So we should be careful how we build the building of God and seek to install people in it who can withstand the coming fires of judgment. That way we'll have a reward for our labor. That's what the passage is about. It's not about OSAS. It's about being careful to make sure we build people up into that which can withstand the coming fires of judgment.

Why are you so afraid to answer such a simple question? Do you keep all the commandments all the time or not? Yes, or no?
I'm not the one saying we have to literally keep the 4th commandment!

I don't look down on sabbath keepers, because Romans 14 says not to. It bothers me to see people beat up on them. So I finally chimed in in their defense. See, they're not doing it to earn their salvation (I mean, maybe some of them are). They're doing it for the same reason you and I say we must not steal, or covet. We don't say that because we think it earns our salvation. We say it because that is what is expected of saving faith. And that is the reason they keep sabbath.
 
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How would answering a basic question that is central to the issue be jamming anything? If people boast how we need to keep the ten commandments, do they keep them? They do need to reply.
You know as well as I do that none of us come up to scratch, however that does not invalidate the Commandments......or maybe you could tell me which one/s you think should be scrubbed?
 
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It means that in 1 Corinthians 3:8-15.
Buildings can be made of wood, or hay (watch Gilligan's Island much?), or imperishable materials like stone and precious metals.
Only those building blocks in the building of God able to withstand fire will survive the coming judgment. So we should be careful how we build the building of God and seek to install people in it who can withstand the coming fires of judgment. That way we'll have a reward for our labor. That's what the passage is about. It's not about OSAS. It's about being careful to make sure we build people up into that which can withstand the coming fires of judgment.
Says who? You don't get to make it about your own pet doctrine. You do get to answer the question. Do you keep all the ten commandments, yes or no?


I'm not the one saying we have to literally keep the 4th commandment!
No? So do you need to keep the other 9? Are we supposed to guess here?
I don't look down on sabbath keepers, because Romans 14 says not to. It bothers me to see people beat up on them. So I finally chimed in in their defense. See, they're not doing it to earn their salvation (I mean, maybe some of them are).

No. Not one.
They're doing it for the same reason you and I say we must not steal, or covet. We don't say that because we think it earns our salvation. We say it because that is what is expected of saving faith. And that is the reason they keep sabbath.

I do not expect sinless saints who keep the ten commandments actually. People who admit they cannot keep the law should remember to be clear that they cannot do so when telling others about having to keep commandments.
 

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You know as well as I do that none of us come up to scratch, however that does not invalidate the Commandments......or maybe you could tell me which one/s you think should be scrubbed?
Why scrub any? The issue here is some people pretending that we need to keep the ten commandments (and sabbath and etc) and so insinuating that they keep them as part of being a believer. They don't. Yet some of them have avoided answering the simple question over and over and over. (Do you keep all the ten commandments, yes or no?)

We should try to love the brethren, and not have a moment where we hate someone, and etc etc. But that does not mean pretending we are good and sinless and that we keep the ten commandments.
 

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Why scrub any? The issue here is some people pretending that we need to keep the ten commandments (and sabbath and etc) and so insinuating that they keep them as part of being a believer. They don't. Yet some of them have avoided answering the simple question over and over and over. (Do you keep all the ten commandments, yes or no?)

We should try to love the brethren, and not have a moment where we hate someone, and etc etc. But that does not mean pretending we are good and sinless and that we keep the ten commandments.
who is pretending?
 

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Anyone that says we need to keep the ten commandments and who therefore says they keep them.
I'd say they have honourable intentions over and against those who think they are a bad idea because they love their sins.

Why not tell the traffic officer next time he pulls you over for being over the speed limit that the laws don't apply to you because you've been forgiven. How serious do you think he'd take you?

....besides, you haven't told me which one/s you don't like. Some self honesty please!
 
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I'd say they have honourable intentions over and against those who think they are a bad idea because they love their sins.
False dichotomy. It is not either keep all the ten commandments or love sin.

Why not tell the traffic officer next time he pulls you over for being over the speed limit that the laws don't apply to you because you've been forgiven. How serious do you think he'd take you?
How about telling the officer you didn't really break the law? Those who break it and pretend they are sinless saints are not fooling anyone but themselves.
....besides, you haven't told me which one/s you don't like. Some self honesty please!
Ask an honest question. Man being unable to keep the law does not mean he hates the law. It means that one greater than the law has saved us.
 

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Why scrub any? The issue here is some people pretending that we need to keep the ten commandments (and sabbath and etc) and so insinuating that they keep them as part of being a believer. They don't. Yet some of them have avoided answering the simple question over and over and over. (Do you keep all the ten commandments, yes or no?)

We should try to love the brethren, and not have a moment where we hate someone, and etc etc. But that does not mean pretending we are good and sinless and that we keep the ten commandments.
look, you don't need to worry about what others do or don't do....that's their business. Yours is what comes out of your mouth or off your pen.
Here you question whether any laws need scrubbing....now isn't that curious in the context of the conversation? ...and I notice you bracketed the Sabbath...soooo, its the Sabbath you take offence at but try to disguise it by referring to the whole law and when put on the spot start back peddling. Come on dad, some self honesty please!.....some of us weren't born yesterday.
 
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False dichotomy. It is not either keep all the ten commandments or love sin.
so seeing you don't care for keeping any of them you freely admit you love sin. Well, at least thats honest.
 

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look, you don't need to worry about what others do or don't do....that's their business.
False. When people preach and teach utter nonsense that leads away from the core of the gospel on a public debate forum, we can weigh in. Whether you like it or lump it.


Here you question whether any laws need scrubbing....now isn't that curious in the context of the conversation? ...and I notice you bracketed the Sabbath...soooo, its the Sabbath you take offence at but try to disguise it by referring to the whole law and when put on the spot start back peddling. Come on dad, some self honesty please!.....some of us weren't born yesterday.
As I said, I don't like hypocrites. The pharisees made a big show of being holy and keeping the law. They were hypocrites and liars. When people here post that the ten commandments need to be kept by believers, it is very fair to ask them if they keep them. Yet when they wiggle and avoid answering, you empathize with them.
 

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As I said, I don't like hypocrites. The pharisees made a big show of being holy and keeping the law. They were hypocrites and liars. When people here post that the ten commandments need to be kept by believers, it is very fair to ask them if they keep them. Yet when they wiggle and avoid answering, you empathize with them.
strange how we see the sin in others but don't see it in ourselves. When you stop avoiding answering I might be enlightened.
 
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