The 10 Commandments are FOREVER
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The 10 Commandments are FOREVER
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Of course the 10 Commandments are Forever.
Gods Word does not change.
What does change IS...PEOPLE....babes continue to be born, people mature in age.
The KEY IS for an INDIVIDUAL to mature in Gods Word and understand the APPLICABILITY of Gods Word to that INDIVIDUAL.
Laws, Statutes, Commands are GUIDES:
FOR the IMMATURE; FOR the LAWLESS;
TO; hear, learn, obey, practice.....
UNTIL; they have grown and MATURED in ABILITY to Fulfill...and UNDERSTAND...fulfilled is Accomplished!
Jesus Fulfilled the Law......ONCE....Accomplished.
How many times does a MAN think he needs to Fulfill, before it is accomplished?
The Scriptural Teaching IS:
* Man FAILS to Fulfill Scriptural Law, Statue, Command, BY HIS OWN POWER.
* Man SUCCEEDS in Fulfilling Scriptural Laws, Statues, Commands...
* TEMPORARILY WHEN....God POWER IS WITH that man.
* PERMANENTLY WHEN....God POWER IS IN that man
* The contradiction men testify is They HAVE the POWER of God IN THEM;
YET STILL ARE NOT ACCOMPLISHED....still FAILING!
OP ^
Of course the 10 Commandments are Forever.
Gods Word does not change.
What does change IS...PEOPLE....babes continue to be born, people mature in age.
The KEY IS for an INDIVIDUAL to mature in Gods Word and understand the APPLICABILITY of Gods Word to that INDIVIDUAL.
Laws, Statutes, Commands are GUIDES:
FOR the IMMATURE; FOR the LAWLESS;
TO; hear, learn, obey, practice.....
UNTIL; they have grown and MATURED in ABILITY to Fulfill...and UNDERSTAND...fulfilled is Accomplished!
Jesus Fulfilled the Law......ONCE....Accomplished.
How many times does a MAN think he needs to Fulfill, before it is accomplished?
The Scriptural Teaching IS:
* Man FAILS to Fulfill Scriptural Law, Statue, Command, BY HIS OWN POWER.
* Man SUCCEEDS in Fulfilling Scriptural Laws, Statues, Commands...
* TEMPORARILY WHEN....God POWER IS WITH that man.
* PERMANENTLY WHEN....God POWER IS IN that man
* The contradiction men testify is They HAVE the POWER of God IN THEM;
YET STILL ARE NOT ACCOMPLISHED....still FAILING!
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Romans 3:23KJV
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
1 John 1:8-9KJV
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 2:1-3KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
dad
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That was the impression I had when reading some posts. 'You must keep the sabbath on a certain day a certain way, and all the ten commandments'! A few posters were asked if they kept the 10 commandments as you know and no straight answer was given.
dad
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When you get finished spamming verses that do not address the questiomn you were asked, get back to us. In case your memory is weak here it is again.
Do you keep all the ten commandments always, yes or no?
dad
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The Ten Commandments are Fundamental Law, similar to a Constitution, thereafter which Establishes the INTENT for all further Laws and Statues to fall under the umbrella of the Fundamental Law.
The Ten Commandments: are Two parts regarding Mans Relationship.
1,2,3,4, - are specific to mans relationship with God.
5,6,7,8,9,10 - are specific to mans relationship with man.
The big picture understanding for a man is:
Accomplish fulfilling the FIRST 4 Commands, establishing a relationship FIRST with God...
Then Accomplish fulfilling the LAST 6 Commands, establishing relationships SECONDLY with men...
THIRDLY ...WHAT man practices with men and Accomplishes fulfilling with man, ACCOMPLISH ALSO with God.
In brief;
1~ honor God
2~ worship God only
3~ honor Gods name
4~ honor Gods day
5~ honor parents ..................God your father...honor
6~ do not murder..................God words....keep it true...do not kill it
7~ do not commit adultery ....Do not sneak off with other gods
8~ do not steal............Do not steal God works, glory, credit to yourself
9~ do not lie................Do not lie to God.
10~ do not covet..........Do not try to assume Gods position
Can a man Accomplish doing those things? Sure.
By a mans own power? Maybe, sometimes, but not all the time.
By Gods Power IN the man? Yes
The Sabbath, ie Gods Day. Is ONLY one Day, Gods Day?
I am of the belief, Every day is a day God hath made.
And for a man, that HAS Gods Spirit IN such man, 24-7 that man IS IN Gods Temple, and Gods Temple IN that man.
* Every day, Any time of day or night, Any place, that man can worship God, praise God, communicate with God........without ceasing, without limit.
1 Cor 3:
[16] Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Glory to God,
Taken
dad
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Great, so do you keep all this law all the time, yes or no?
Great so are you claiming to obey all ten commandments all the time or not? Yes? No?
I agree
Yes. He is there. That does not mean we are perfect in this world. It means He is here with us.
dad
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Finally. A clear answer.
So you keep all the law all the time. Glad to hear that. You never looked at a woman in lust for a moment, or hated a brother at any time, or cheated on taxes, or misled anyone, or stole anything, or lied, or displeased God in any way, or read or watched anything that was not pure as driven snow, and etc etc etc etc. I must admit you are the first person I ever spoke to that did this. Let's hope you keep up this amazing feat of perfection till the moment you die I guess.
How do you tolerate mere sinning saints?
I do not see individuals claiming FOR THEMSELVES, to be “sinless” or “perfect”....(I do see individuals trying to falsely stuff those words in others mouths.)
The saved soul is already accounted restored, ie. Very good.
The quickened spirit is already accounted born again in eternal life.
Ya....that body thing...slated for its own Perfection later.
Meantime, we live IN Jesus’ perfect risen body.
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Romans 3:23KJV
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
1 John 1:8-9KJV
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 2:1-3KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
I do not cheat, lie, steal, commit adultery, dishonor, etc, AGAINST GOD!
No I do not lust after women or men, cheat, lie, steal from others.
No there is nothing others have that I want that is theirs.
Hate another? Sure. There are others I have a Strong dislike, so what?
It does not interfere with Loving all people, because I do not LIKE all people.
Oxymoron.
A saint, is one whose relationship WITH God is permanently established.
Their sin was Against God. Their sin Against God has been forgiven and overcome, by Gods Power....nothing to do with me.
A saints, behavior toward me has nothing to do with sin.
Behaviors among men is about Precepts.
God taught men Precepts through Moses, of favorable behaviors among men, the expectation of favorable consequences, and unfavorable behaviors among men, and the expectation of unfavorable consequences.
Men who trespass against me, or should I trespass against an other, is for us to work out between us and correct and deal with the consequences.
I have every option to set the standards of what I will or will not tolerate in my home, space, land.
I have every option to remove myself from public settings, parks, stores, restaurants, venues, persons, etc. that I do not tolerate.
Irrelevant Scripture to QUOTE off the cuff.
I have not seen ONE PERSON, claim.... “they have no sin”
This Scripture APPLIES, to one WHO IS NOT CONVERTED.
“IF” an unconverted man accepts the Lords offering of Conversion...
The Lord WILL forgive his sins......AND Cleanse that man...Done Deal.
Conversion INCLUDES the Holy Spirit ENTERING that man .... and by the Power of the Holy Spirit, that man REMAINS CLEANSED....Done Deal.
......FULFILLED!
This Scripture APPLIES to “little children”, still Learning About God, Jesus and Christ.....and HOW TO “become” CONVERTED IN Christ.
This does not APPLY to the CONVERTED.
The CONVERTED have already OVERCOME...by, though, of Christ Jesus.
The CONVERTED do not GO THROUGH Jesus TO GOD.
The CONVERTED have Direct ACCESS TO speak to God....AND Continue to Remember Jesus for making it possible, by, though, of Jesus’ sacrifices, works and offerings.
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We Strongly Disagree
The scripture below was written to the Church
Romans 3:23KJV
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
1 John 1:8-9KJV
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 2:1-3KJV
1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
The Scriptures are written knowledge for ALL Ears.
When Ears Hear, and individual men Accomplish Doing according to Gods Order and Way, the Scripture is fulfilled in that individual.
How many times did Jesus fulfill Scripture? Once.
How many times does a man fulfill the Scripture BY “Accepting” the Lords Offering to BECOME MADE (by Gods Power)........SAVED, BORN AGAIN?
Once! Scripture is Fulfilled in that man.
IS THAT MAN ^^^....claiming to have no sin, to continue in sin, to need an Advocate between him and God? No.
Ferris Bueller
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It's not my doctrine. I'm just reading the passage in it's local context and in the context of all of scripture.
No. Just read my posts. If you want. I mean, you don't have to. But if you did you'd see I've been saying all along that believers do not have to keep the literal sabbath. So if you're desperately hunting for hypocrisy in me you're not going to find it.
Guess? Why do you have to guess? Of course I and other Christians keep the remaining 9. And when we fail at some point the blood of Christ cleanses and restores us. The remaining 9 are not in dispute here.
This is the common erroneous thinking of people in the church. They have been taught that any and all law keeping is without exception the attempt to save yourself by your works. It's only that if you are doing it for that reason. Paul kept the law and I'm pretty sure he wasn't doing it to try to earn justification before the Lord. Do you think he was?
Don't be judgmental. Many sabbath keepers do it for the very same reason non-sabbath keepers must 'not steal', 'not murder', etc. God is able to work it out with them if they are doing it to be justified.
They understand that where there is failure the blood of Christ is there for them just like it is for us in our failures. You were in their face about it and most people on-line know not to load the guns of their enemies for them by being as transparent as you were demanding they be.
Grailhunter
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Again, just because the ten summary of Laws in chapter 20 are not the Ten Commandments. It does not mean that the Jews did not observe them. They are summaries, the full details of those Laws are in the body of the 613 Mosaic Laws.
But Christians are not under the Law and there is nothing in the Mosaic Laws that pertain to Christians directly.
But since the ten summary of Laws are the most basic and rudimentary morals, most are included in Christian morals since they are the basics. But Christians are not obligated to observe the Law regarding the Jewish Sabbath, or the restriction on engraved images, and women are not listed in the property of men.
The moral teachings of Christ and the Apostles are far above anything in the Old Testament. Which means there is nothing lacking in the teachings of Christ and the Apostles that one would need to look at the Old Testament for anything to include in the morals of Christianity.
I have already provided 21 scriptures that prove we are not under the Law. (Post 779 of this thread) And dabbling with Judaism is not only an insult to Christ but He and Paul warned against it. Is it a sin? In some cases it can be. If one is so drawn to Judaism it might be best to convert to Judaism. There is nothing in the Bible that condones being in two Covenants with God or mixing of the Covenants...Can a Christian violate the Mosaic Law? Anybody that knows anything about the Mosaic Law, knows that if you are looking to the Mosaic Law as a moral guide....if you keep one Law, then you are required to keep all 613 Mosaic Laws. If you do not, you are in violation of all 613 Laws. It is sacrilegious to subdivide the Law and cherry pick which ones you are going to observe. Big sin!
And that is what Paul was talking about...if you are looking to Law for righteousness, for morality, you are severed from Christ and have fallen from Grace. So you might as well convert to Judaism so that you are at least in some Covenant with God.
But Christians are not under the Law and there is nothing in the Mosaic Laws that pertain to Christians directly.
But since the ten summary of Laws are the most basic and rudimentary morals, most are included in Christian morals since they are the basics. But Christians are not obligated to observe the Law regarding the Jewish Sabbath, or the restriction on engraved images, and women are not listed in the property of men.
The moral teachings of Christ and the Apostles are far above anything in the Old Testament. Which means there is nothing lacking in the teachings of Christ and the Apostles that one would need to look at the Old Testament for anything to include in the morals of Christianity.
I have already provided 21 scriptures that prove we are not under the Law. (Post 779 of this thread) And dabbling with Judaism is not only an insult to Christ but He and Paul warned against it. Is it a sin? In some cases it can be. If one is so drawn to Judaism it might be best to convert to Judaism. There is nothing in the Bible that condones being in two Covenants with God or mixing of the Covenants...Can a Christian violate the Mosaic Law? Anybody that knows anything about the Mosaic Law, knows that if you are looking to the Mosaic Law as a moral guide....if you keep one Law, then you are required to keep all 613 Mosaic Laws. If you do not, you are in violation of all 613 Laws. It is sacrilegious to subdivide the Law and cherry pick which ones you are going to observe. Big sin!
And that is what Paul was talking about...if you are looking to Law for righteousness, for morality, you are severed from Christ and have fallen from Grace. So you might as well convert to Judaism so that you are at least in some Covenant with God.
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Ferris Bueller
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"4The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband. Likewise the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife." 1 Corinthians 7:4
The wife belongs to the husband, the husband belongs to the wife. Stop telling people otherwise. In this day and age of rampant immorality, you are leading impressionable believers astray into sin with your uneducated opinions about marriage.
Ferris Bueller
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Yes, they are. Please lose this stupid theology you stumbled on somewhere in your theological journey.
If I understand your argument about this, and I think I do, you're confusing the fact that, both, the Ten Commands spoken by God, AND the law Moses wrote down are the old covenant. If you would understand this you wouldn't have the confusion that you do about Exodus 34:27-28. I know at first read it raises one's eyebrows, but when you examine all the Bible says about the giving of the law you'll see that Exodus 34:27-28 does not support this weird doctrine about what constitutes the Ten Commandments, and who wrote them down.
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