Russia and Gog: Ukraine Today, Israel Tomorrow?

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I don't know how much *not* to fault an airliner full of passengers being shot down simply due to a flight error! That's like saying it's okay to have people steal out of the back of your truck because you accidentally park in a alley known to have thieves. It's not okay--period!

I don't doubt that there's corruption, as well as confusion, in the Ukraine. I just don't believe a country can survive internal sedition--no country tolerates that. I wouldn't fault Soros for wanting to separate the Ukraine from Russian control, if that's what he wants. I don't think Soros ever was a "Nazi Jew," or part of a Jewish conspiracy. I just think he has non-Christian political beliefs.

He's apparently all about a one-world govt. based on a secularized Western model. And frankly, people who are or were Jewish wouldn't want Christian rule over them, though they may like the freedoms that Christianity has spawned.

That being said, I'm seriously considering your comments. You seem to know much more than I do about all this. Thanks for sharing.

I like Tucker Carlson, and he is strongly recommending the US stay far away from foreign military entanglements. I'm open to that way of thinking, except I also am concerned with what many experts are saying, that allowing Russia to run roughshod over independent countries opens the door for China to do that in Taiwan, Iran to do that in neighboring countries, N. Korea to threaten its neighbors with nukes, etc. etc.

Without the threat of military retaliation, autocratic governments seem to have little concern about the "ethics" of taking over neighboring countries. They always find a rationale to do so that satisfies their own conscience. But with the threat of economic or military devastation, adventuristic policies seem much less desirable for these dictators.
Dealing with Ukraine is just going to be a blood bath ! do not get involved in such a war. well I would not fan the flames and all.
The deception set up, Soros and his Mob, could not truly care less about the People of Ukraine truly at all. not to mention such as He and his Mob have been way out of control undermining the People of Ukraine. Soros wants war ! he and his mob have pressed every button to bring such on for years.

With the passenger Flight that was shot down ? one has to watch the Aircraft investigation that dealt with it what took place ? but then we have the propaganda machine coming up with milking a one sided story, that only works to try and deflect 100% of anything coming back on them !
Sure it got shot down, but if I was on a flight going over a Warzone or anyone I loved was ? I would question there sanity regardless because mistakes can be made, I know such can happen and I do not run out across a Highways myself and I could question ones sanity if one where to attempt such.

The other Flights were not flying directly over the Warzone, they were going outside of that main Zone, but this one was heading towards and on the wrong angle ! So the cover up I am not impressed with at all. Ok Russia shot them down, we get that ! but you should of seen the display of our PM he was a moron ! ranting like a total nutcase. only to save face !

Message to such leadership, do not have Flights going over warzones ! it's that simple ! mistakes can be easy made in such and I believe that Russia mistakenly took it out, but it's not Putin's fault at all. someone pressed the button because :rolleyes: ?

I think the whole show nowadays has to calm down, We do not want a War ! and the Left powers of the USA are insane out of control and been doing the wrong thing by Russia for years, while the USA should of been on good terms with Russia and not shafting the Russian people like the USA satanic Left have been going ballistic over, that Russia is not becoming a Satanic Nation under Putin and the USA Left demand that Russia become a Satanic derelict Nation, that the queers totally control, like USA and Australia, the deranged Gays dominate totally, it's their way or else out comes the Malice Nazi like ego machine. Demanding a Utopia ! Their feet do not touch the ground ? they are off with the pixies ! and just peddling childish BS ! Just look at Biden the biggest Pixie fool President ever.
 
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This forum is for discussion of Bible prophecy.
Nothing of what you have posted bears any resemblance to what the Prophetic Word says.
Russia; Putin, invaded the Crimea. The rest of the Ukraine, with its many Russian speakers could fall easily: So what?

There is no 'rapture to heaven' of the Church found anywhere in the Bible.

There is no World war 3. the 4 attacks prophesied are all won by the Lord without a shot being fired:
1/ Against Israel by an Islamic confederation; Psalms 83, Micah 4:11-12
2/ The Gog/Magog attack against the Christion peoples in all of the holy Land. Ezekiel 38 to 39
3/ The attack against Jesus by the worlds armies at Armageddon. Revelation 19:17-21
4/ The final attack after the Millennium, Revelation 20:7-10
You just do not understand prophesy do you?

The Psalm 83 war has already happened from 1948 to 2010ish or so, it was the Nations who surrounded Israel coming against her in many, many skirmishes.

Time__________Name
1948–1949 First Arab–Israeli War Israeli victory
1951–1955 Palestinian Fedayeen insurgency Israeli victory
1956 Suez War Egyptian political victory
Israeli occupation of the Sinai Peninsula until March 1957
1967 The Six-Day War Israel captures and occupies the Gaza Strip and Sinai Pen. from Egypt, the West Bank
1967–1970 War of Attrition Both sides claim victory, continued Israeli control of Sinai
1971–1982 Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon Israeli victory
1973 Yom Kippur War Arab offensives repulsed

Camp David Accords followed by Egypt–Israel Peace Treaty; Israel returns Sinai Peninsula in exchange for mutual recognition.

1978 First South Lebanon conflict Israeli victory, PLO expelled from southern Lebanon
1982 First Lebanon War Israeli tactical victory but strategic failure. Syrian political advantage
1985–2000 South Lebanon conflict Hezbollah victory Israeli withdrawal from southern Lebanon
1987–1993 First Palestinian Intifada Israeli victory, uprising suppressed
2000–2004 Al-Aqsa Intifada Israeli victory, uprising suppressed
2006 Operation Summer Rains Israeli victory
2008–2009 Gaza War Israeli victory

Now go read Psalm 83, every one of these nations are named.

Why the end to these skirmishes? Because of the Trump (Abraham Accords) presidency who brought these nations to the realization that Iran was really their foe, not each other. Thus when the Gog and Magog War comes, not ONE NATION with a common border with Israel can be seen in that war. We see Turkey, Iran and Russia, along with a few African token nations. This is why it is stated that Israel, at that time, lives in UNWALLED VILLIAGES, it simply means Israel are at peace with her immediate neighbors.

Thus happens just before the pre trib rapture or just after the pre trib rapture. God indeed defeats the nations, but not the nations in the Psalm 83 war, I defy you to find anywhere where any winner is declared, and that is because Israel survives but so do all of her neighbors, its more of a 60-65 year standoff with some victories here and there, but mostly it's God protecting Israel from actual defeat.

Gog and Magog is an attack on Israel, not Christian peoples.

God sets those people on fire after the Second Resurrection, I think this earth is hell, after we get the New Heaven and Earth. I can't prove that but all indications seem that way, why raise the Wicked after the 1000 years and at the same time set this earth on fire?

I hate to pick on this guy but he's just awful at prophesy, if you see him say something, its probably just the opposite, then he has a bad attitude because he gets called out.
 

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You just do not understand prophesy do you?

The Psalm 83 war has already happened from 1948 to 2010ish or so, it was the Nations who surrounded Israel coming against her in many, many skirmishes.

Time__________Name
1948–1949 First Arab–Israeli War Israeli victory
1951–1955 Palestinian Fedayeen insurgency Israeli victory
1956 Suez War Egyptian political victory
Israeli occupation of the Sinai Peninsula until March 1957
1967 The Six-Day War Israel captures and occupies the Gaza Strip and Sinai Pen. from Egypt, the West Bank
1967–1970 War of Attrition Both sides claim victory, continued Israeli control of Sinai
1971–1982 Palestinian insurgency in South Lebanon Israeli victory
1973 Yom Kippur War Arab offensives repulsed

Camp David Accords followed by Egypt–Israel Peace Treaty; Israel returns Sinai Peninsula in exchange for mutual recognition.

1978 First South Lebanon conflict Israeli victory, PLO expelled from southern Lebanon
1982 First Lebanon War Israeli tactical victory but strategic failure. Syrian political advantage
1985–2000 South Lebanon conflict Hezbollah victory Israeli withdrawal from southern Lebanon
1987–1993 First Palestinian Intifada Israeli victory, uprising suppressed
2000–2004 Al-Aqsa Intifada Israeli victory, uprising suppressed
2006 Operation Summer Rains Israeli victory
2008–2009 Gaza War Israeli victory

Now go read Psalm 83, every one of these nations are named.

Why the end to these skirmishes? Because of the Trump (Abraham Accords) presidency who brought these nations to the realization that Iran was really their foe, not each other. Thus when the Gog and Magog War comes, not ONE NATION with a common border with Israel can be seen in that war. We see Turkey, Iran and Russia, along with a few African token nations. This is why it is stated that Israel, at that time, lives in UNWALLED VILLIAGES, it simply means Israel are at peace with her immediate neighbors.

Thus happens just before the pre trib rapture or just after the pre trib rapture. God indeed defeats the nations, but not the nations in the Psalm 83 war, I defy you to find anywhere where any winner is declared, and that is because Israel survives but so do all of her neighbors, its more of a 60-65 year standoff with some victories here and there, but mostly it's God protecting Israel from actual defeat.

Gog and Magog is an attack on Israel, not Christian peoples.

God sets those people on fire after the Second Resurrection, I think this earth is hell, after we get the New Heaven and Earth. I can't prove that but all indications seem that way, why raise the Wicked after the 1000 years and at the same time set this earth on fire?

I hate to pick on this guy but he's just awful at prophesy, if you see him say something, its probably just the opposite, then he has a bad attitude because he gets called out.

Interesting summary of the history and application to Scriptures. I've never been quite sure how to fit it all in? I've been aware of the 48 conflict, the 56 event, and remember, as a kid, hearing on the radio about the 6 day war in 67. I was stationed in Germany in 73 when I was put on alert during the Yom Kippur war. Russia was threatening to enter the conflict, and Nixon warned them not to. I was so excited about Sadat and Begin making peace that I wrote them both a letter of support in, I think, 78! ;)

Thanks for putting all this together in a single post!
 

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You just do not understand prophesy do you?
You hate to have your beliefs challenged.
Your contrived explanations above, simply do not match with reality.
Thus happens just before the pre trib rapture or just after the pre trib rapture. God indeed defeats the nations, but not the nations in the Psalm 83 war, I defy you to find anywhere where any winner is declared,
Your fav 'rapture' theory is a crock and will never happen. We all must endure until the end.

The winner in each of the four 'wars', or attacks as descried, is the Lord. At the forthcoming attack described in Psalms 83, the Lord will virtually depopulate the entire Middle East. Zephaniah 1:14-18, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Amos 1 & 2:1-5
 

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Thanks for putting all this together in a single post!
Unfortunately RM's post simply do not match with the Prophesies or with the current and future reality.
Iran is the big baddie and as much as the other Islamic peoples talk peace and cooperation with Israel; they all cheer when Israel gets any kind of knockback.
And America too: remember 9/11, how Muslims cheered as the Towers fell.
 

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Interesting summary of the history and application to Scriptures. I've never been quite sure how to fit it all in? I've been aware of the 48 conflict, the 56 event, and remember, as a kid, hearing on the radio about the 6 day war in 67. I was stationed in Germany in 73 when I was put on alert during the Yom Kippur war. Russia was threatening to enter the conflict, and Nixon warned them not to. I was so excited about Sadat and Begin making peace that I wrote them both a letter of support in, I think, 78! ;)

Thanks for putting all this together in a single post!
Gog would be more than likely Putin if my spidey senses are on, I say it all happens in this decade.

Gog = Putin
Magog = Russia

Mechech
Tubal
Gomer
Togarmah = All 4 = Turkey

Persia = Iran mostly but possibly Afghanistan and Pakistan

Old Libya = Libya and maybe a little bit more of North Africa

Ethiopia & Cush = Ethiopia, Sudan and Somalia

None with a common border with Israel. Via Prophecy at that time one had to look at it and say what in the world is the common denominator with all these countries, now we can see 2500 years later.

Psalm 83 War of Extermination where they continually see their goal as to destroy Israel, these nations include Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Egypt and Gaza all have a Common Border with Israel.

I got a lot of my study materials from Dr. David Reagan and his video on the coming 9 end time wars. I don't agree that there are 9 wars and even though he names all of the skirmishes from 1948-2009, he doesn't put it together that all of those are the Psalm 83 war. It is a very good 28 minute video where all of the nations are laid out on a map. But in the 10 years since that video God has given us a better understanding via things coming together.

 

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What is wrong with Putin ? he has done nothing wrong !
It's morons like Biden and Co who are doing everything wrong in fact, trying for years stirring the pot to have a war with Russia, playing every idiot game on can think of in provoking Russia.

It's the Satanist in the USA who use propaganda against Russia and support propping up China and North Korea and propping up the State that such idiots call Israel. Even the worthy truly devout top educated Jews reject that it is Israel in fact.

Anyone who wants to go to war with Russia is a total moron, noting but blood bath will result and the USA better watch out for China as it will make it's move when the USA has it's hands full on childish nonsense like Ukraine.
The Ukraine is really a non issue.
China is a huge issue, but the powers that be MSM etc water that all down and ranted like total morons in their war against President Trump fearing Trump so much so over Communist China's Dictator :rolleyes: !

The USA Satanist Socialist and there MSM ran about in total war against the sitting President of the USA o_O:eek::rolleyes::oops::confused: the propaganda machine was working overload to undermine President Trump ! but look at Biden, or look at Obama the MSM were totally dead ! nothing to be seen here with them two, they is gods ! idolised by the MSM. They could do no wrong ! but if we had a real Media they could cut them down as easy as pie ! They would both be shot down in flames, in fact hung in the street like Mussolini, if the majority knew half of what the people have not been informed of that is totally Traitorous to the USA in fact.

The Satanist have to be exposed !

The Name Israel is only given to two people in the Bible and it was for what they were ? They were men of God in fact ! that's what it's all about ! they are lead by the Holy Spirit, not mans works ego trip.
Once one is truly born again one becomes an Israel in fact, because they abide in the Vine ? anything outside of such is not worthy at all.
Jesus Christ pointed out that This world is full of delusions and deceptions and that you must come out from them ? into the Kingdom of God !

The USA will not win Ukraine especially under Biden. Trump could sort it all out easy, but not Biden's crew they are delusional not to mention do not care at all for the blood bath that will take place, because they are total fools, like Hillary was totally delusional about dealing with Russia. but that's typical with the left as they do not have their feet on the ground and float about with the pixies, Biden big talk threats with Russia will end with Biden being made a total fool of. but even the village idiot knows Biden is a total fool.
 

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What is wrong with Putin ? he has done nothing wrong !
It's morons like Biden and Co who are doing everything wrong in fact, trying for years stirring the pot to have a war with Russia, playing every idiot game on can think of in provoking Russia.

You want to argue with God? We know Biden is of Satan, so is all of your leaders, all of England's leaders, etc. all of them are led by Satan. So, what does Putin do by coming against Israel and getting wiped out by God? Firstly, the world will thin Israel used some kind of secret weapon, a lot of Israel will understand it was God.

The Anti-Christs way is prepared. 1/3 of the world will be wiped out by an Asteroid, Russia, Iran and Turkeys Armies will be wiped out by God who places a HOOK in their mouths.

Ezekiel 38:1 And the word of the Lord came unto me, saying, 2 Son of man, set thy face against Gog(the great Leadr who I think is Putin because Magog is indeed Russia), the land of Magog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him, 3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I am against thee, O Gog, the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal:

4 And I will turn thee back, and put hooks into thy jaws, and I will bring thee forth,(So, the leader of Russia is coming sooner or later, that a fact) and all thine army, horses and horsemen, all of them clothed with all sorts of armour, even a great company with bucklers and shields, all of them handling swords: 5 Persia, Ethiopia, and Libya with them; all of them with shield and helmet:

So, this is going to happen. All of these world leaders are evil, don't jest yourself brother. They all hate God.
 

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Absolute rubbish! Satan is like a roaring lion; seeking whom he may devour.

Revelation 20 describes a literal thousand reign of King Jesus; on earth.

That verse just says how the way will be prepared for the armies to come from the East. For the Battle at Armageddon.
This is not the final Battle as described in Revelation 20:7-10

It is good to see how some newbies like L.S. in #14, can see thru your unbiblical nonsense.
Why didn't you post the entirety of my claims made, as I clearly stated satan wasn't bound from general evil in the world as seen below?

Quote Truth7t7 post #13:

"Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently."
 

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What is wrong with Putin ? he has done nothing wrong !
It's morons like Biden and Co who are doing everything wrong in fact, trying for years stirring the pot to have a war with Russia, playing every idiot game on can think of in provoking Russia.

It's the Satanist in the USA who use propaganda against Russia and support propping up China and North Korea and propping up the State that such idiots call Israel. Even the worthy truly devout top educated Jews reject that it is Israel in fact.

Anyone who wants to go to war with Russia is a total moron, noting but blood bath will result and the USA better watch out for China as it will make it's move when the USA has it's hands full on childish nonsense like Ukraine.
The Ukraine is really a non issue.
China is a huge issue, but the powers that be MSM etc water that all down and ranted like total morons in their war against President Trump fearing Trump so much so over Communist China's Dictator :rolleyes: !

The USA Satanist Socialist and there MSM ran about in total war against the sitting President of the USA o_O:eek::rolleyes::oops::confused: the propaganda machine was working overload to undermine President Trump ! but look at Biden, or look at Obama the MSM were totally dead ! nothing to be seen here with them two, they is gods ! idolised by the MSM. They could do no wrong ! but if we had a real Media they could cut them down as easy as pie ! They would both be shot down in flames, in fact hung in the street like Mussolini, if the majority knew half of what the people have not been informed of that is totally Traitorous to the USA in fact.

The Satanist have to be exposed !

The Name Israel is only given to two people in the Bible and it was for what they were ? They were men of God in fact ! that's what it's all about ! they are lead by the Holy Spirit, not mans works ego trip.
Once one is truly born again one becomes an Israel in fact, because they abide in the Vine ? anything outside of such is not worthy at all.
Jesus Christ pointed out that This world is full of delusions and deceptions and that you must come out from them ? into the Kingdom of God !

The USA will not win Ukraine especially under Biden. Trump could sort it all out easy, but not Biden's crew they are delusional not to mention do not care at all for the blood bath that will take place, because they are total fools, like Hillary was totally delusional about dealing with Russia. but that's typical with the left as they do not have their feet on the ground and float about with the pixies, Biden big talk threats with Russia will end with Biden being made a total fool of. but even the village idiot knows Biden is a total fool.
I agree, Ukraine and Russia are the least of American worries, Biden is looking to help Ukraine protect its borders, while illegal immigrants are flooding American borders by the Millions

As you stated "China" is the world enemy #1, aggressive in domination to take over the world

Ukraine is the bread basket for Russia, and has its warm water shipping port, if you were the country's leader what would you do?

I'm no sympathizer of Putin by any means, but his back is against the wall, Ukraine joins NATO and it becomes a NATO missile base on Putins border, taking away the bread basket and shipping, he has no choice?
 

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Why didn't you post the entirety of my claims made, as I clearly stated satan wasn't bound from general evil in the world as seen below?

Quote Truth7t7 post #13:

"Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently."


You and I can disagree and do it respectfully, even when we disagree vehemently, notice he called your post RUBBISH, but if you say anything to him he will report you. That is why I placed him on ignore on other sites, and looks like I will have to do it here also, he can't just disagree, he has to get personal.
 
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I call the nonsense and wild speculation about the end times that I see here and elsewhere, as 'rubbish' because none of it conforms to what the Prophetic Word tells us.
Very soon now; the Lord will take action and all weapons of war will be destroyed:

Amos 5:9 The Lord flashes forth destruction upon the strongholds of the powerful nations.

Zephaniah 1:16 A Day of battle cries against fortified cities.

Isaiah 30:25-30 ....on the Day of massacre, when fortresses fall….The Lord’s arm will descend in His fierce anger, with devouring flames of fire…..

Deuteronomy 32:22 For fire is kindled by My wrath, it burns to the realms of death below. [weapons stored underground] It devours the earth and its harvest and penetrates to the foundations of the mountains. [The electromagnetic pulse effect of huge coronal mass ejection.]

Jeremiah 25:32 Disaster spreads from nation to nation, [as the earth rotates] a mighty storm of military destruction comes.

Psalm 46:9 In all the world, He breaks the bow, snaps the spear and burns the shields in the fire.

Jeremiah 50:22-27 See how the hammer of the world is shattered. [America] The Lord has opened His armory, the weapons of His wrath to do His work in the land of the Babylonians. [the godless peoples] Put all warriors to the sword, lead them to slaughter, for their time has come.

Amos 2:14-16 ....the warrior will not save himself, on that Day they will all throw away their weapons and run, but they cannot escape.

Proverbs 12:12 The strongholds of the wicked crumble like clay.

Psalm 76:3 The Lord has broken the flashing arrows [nukes] and all weapons of war.

Ezekiel 7:14 The trumpet has sounded, but no one goes to war, for their actions have called forth My wrath. [An attack on Israel by the Islamic peoples. Psalms 83]

Hebrews 12:29 For our God is a consuming fire.

Isaiah 34:2 The Lord’s anger is against all the nations, His wrath is against their armed forces, they will be slaughtered, their dead will stink.

Hosea 10:13-14.....because you have trusted in your chariots and in the number of your warriors, destruction will arise against your people [Israel and the Western nations.] and all your fortresses will be overthrown. [military power destroyed]

Hosea 2:18..... I shall break the bow and sword, I shall sweep all weapons of war off the earth, so that My people may lie down without fear.

Haggai 2:21-22 I shall shake the heavens and the earth, shall overthrow the thrones of kings, break the power of the heathen realms, overturn chariots, horses and riders will fall. [armies] Fear will cause them to fight amongst themselves.

Micah 5:10-11 On that Day, I shall slaughter your horses and burn your chariots and raze your [military] fortifications to the ground.

Jeremiah 49:35 I shall break the bow of Elam, [Iran] the chief weapon of their might. [bow and arrows, military code names for nuclear weapons]
 

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I call the nonsense and wild speculation about the end times that I see here and elsewhere, as 'rubbish' because none of it conforms to what the Prophetic Word tells us.
Very soon now; the Lord will take action and all weapons of war will be destroyed:

Of course we could all do this. That's the nature of having differences of opinion. Each claims to have the "pure" word of God, and considers all other views "nonsense." But that isn't very scholarly. And it isn't very "nice," either. How can we expect to have dialogue when one claims to be the voice of God above all others? We all need to be able to go to the "back of the line," preferring others above ourselves. That doesn't mean we have to compromise what we believe. We just have to face the reality that none of us have arrived yet.

I can accept your view that someone else's view is "rubbish" if the argument itself is rubbish. But if you're just claiming that your interpretation is inspired, whereas all other opposing interpretations are not, then you're just being hostile.
 

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I can accept your view that someone else's view is "rubbish" if the argument itself is rubbish. But if you're just claiming that your interpretation is inspired, whereas all other opposing interpretations are not, then you're just being hostile.
I should just shut up, because no matter how much Prophetic truth is presented, most people simply cannot understand it. People read prophesies like in my post #32 above and they all seem like a meaningless jumble.
That is how God wants it to be. Only after His Day of wrath will people finally know:
Isaiah 43:8 Bring forth this people, a people whose eyes are blind, whose ears are deaf.

Isaiah 35:4-5 Be strong, fear not; the Lord comes to save you, with His vengeance and retribution.
THEN
the eyes of the blind will be opened and the ears of the deaf unstopped
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Isaiah 42:18-20 You that are deaf; hear now, you that are blind; look and see! Who is so deaf and blind as My servant, the messenger that I send, the one who has My trust?

Isaiah 29:18 On that Day, the deaf will hear and the blind will see.

Isaiah 29:24 Then; the confused will gain understanding and the obstinate will take instruction.

Isaiah 32:3-4 Then; those who see and hear will understand clearly, the impetuous mind will know and the stammering tongue will speak fluently and plainly.

But true understanding is not impossible before that terrible Day; Daniel 12:10 says that a few will know now.
 

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I should just shut up, because no matter how much Prophetic truth is presented, most people simply cannot understand it. People read prophesies like in my post #32 above and they all seem like a meaningless jumble.

If what you offer as "prophetic truth" is merely *your opinion* of the prophetic Scriptures, then what you're sharing is *not* the equivalent of a Prophecy and holds biblical authority only insofar as it agrees with what is actually written. Brother, let others judge whether what you teach squares with the prophetic Scriptures. That's all I ask.
 

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If what you offer as "prophetic truth" is merely *your opinion*
I post what the Prophets said, using other scriptures and general knowledge to help explain them.
We have been given brains, God expects us to use them. ALL the information about the end time events is in our Bibles.
He has made understanding it difficult, for the reason that all may not understand; only a few.
Brother, let others judge whether what you teach squares with the prophetic Scriptures.
Who are 'the 'others' you have in mind? The ECF's, the Commentators, preachers like Hagee, theory pushers on the forums? Judging them by their end times beliefs, shows hopeless deception and confusion.

We will only know for sure as events unfold.
But my task is to warn those who want to listen, of what the Lord has planned, so we can be prepared; Spiritually and physically.
 

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So, when is the best time for Putin to strike if he is going to strike? When there is weak leadership in the United States and I give you Biden and the Dem leadership which are more interested in allowing illegals to flood into this country to try and change it from within, its a Satanic strategy just like the riots were meant in 2019 and 2020 to intimidate the courts from overturning the theft of an election.

Both China and Russia see weakness, their plans are much grander, the USA like a foolish man, have been going into debt, and the only reason we are still afloat, seeing as we have 30 trillion in debt (which is really much higher) is the dollar bill is the current choice international currency. China and Russia know that if they can up and change the currency of choice to something else, be it digital money etc. etc. then the USA will go bankrupt without the ability to borrow. When the next crash happens, that is when I see the world turning away from the US Dollar and they do it because of an economic crisis (Satan's plan) like nothing ever seen before. That is when Putin will play his hand, China not so much, I think they are just going to try to be powerful in their own region, but the economic collapse will crash them because they sell so much to other nations, like the USA, the crash will also destroy their economies in Asia. So China goes back to the old norm, they survive off of a localized, regional trade.

Russia will be in trouble because of this crash also, but Putin will want to expand his territory, and he sees weak leadership as the chance to do it and after the USA has fallen as a power, which I think will happen very soon, Satan has a strategy, he is trying to tear our nation apart at the seems and he's doing it, all of these trans laws, homosexual laws, all this in your face critical race theory, its all designed to corrupt the minds of our youth and to divide us as peoples, Satan is a divider. Obama and Biden (who is only an empty shell for Obama's henchmen who are really running the show) were placed in place by Satan to ruin this nation, I have had many dreams of how evil Obama is. They are making the path of the coming European Anti-Christ straight.

So, why does Putin (I think this happens within the next 5 years) attack Israel along with Turkey, Iran and a few African Nations? The same reason Hitler attacked, they will be led by Satanic hate, and Satan who has his man in place in the E.U. will come at Israel with those three nations first, God will wipe them out on Israel's mount. But why this attack by Satan if his man is in the E.U. (BOOM...Strategy). If you were in a chess game and and you could sacrifice a Bishop and a Queen to get check mate, you do it right? By feinting with Russia, Iran and Turkey, Satan chases Israel right into the arms of this E.U. Anti-Christ, Israel have wanted to be a part of the E.U. for a long time, they currently have 7 year agreements with the E. U. called the European Neighborhood Policy, but it is not just Israel, the E.U. has agreements with Jordan, Egypt, Algeria, Libya, Lebanon, Syria, Morocco and Tunisia, so that is why it is called THE MANY.

Dan. 8:25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes; but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan. 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,........

The PLAY BY PLAY attack of the Anti-Christ is Dan. 11:40-43

Dan. 11:41 He shall enter also into the glorious land, and many countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon.

So, THE MANY points to not just Israel being attacked but the whole Mediterranean Sea Region. And look at the three peoples of the Old Testament who will not be overcome by this Anti-Christ, they just so happen to all reside in the Petra/Bozrah mountainous area where God protects Israel at. SMALL WONDERS.
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So, the only place this man doesn't conquer in the whole Mediterranean Sea Region just so happens to be where the Jews are going to flee unto. The whole reason the 10 Horns come out of the Fourth Beasts Head and the Little Horn arises AMONGST them is God is telling us the Fourth Beast has a child that looks just like the fourth beast did. If on a map the Last Beast Kingdom looked just like the Greek Kingdom he would have been said to have come out of the Third Beasts Head etc. etc. but he comes out if the Fourth Beasts Head because he will look like like old Rome on a map.

After all, these Beast Kingdoms are Beasts over the whole Mediterranean Sea Region, not just Israel, thus if the last beast arises out of the fourth beast head that simply shows he looks like the fourth beast. Dan. 11:40-43 show us who all will be defeated, Israel and MANY NATIONS he rolls through in order to get at Israel and then all of North Africa as is shown in Dan. 11:40-43, which just so happens to be who the 10 (Europe = 10/completion) have Agreements with now as we speak, as I pointed out above.


Old Rome on a Map below and then the 10 (Europe) where the Little Horn arises(is born) AND those nations he has Agreements with (see Dan. 9:27 he has an agreement/covenant WITH MANY) whom he conquers as Daniel 11:40-43 show, all on a map and then IMAGINE them as conquered foes, under ONE MAP, they would look just like Old Rome on a map. See the comparison below:
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Remember, Turkey is taken down by God, so he will also conquer them because they are now defenseless. Thus the Dan. 8:9 verse now makes perfect sense right?

Dan. 8:9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn(A.C.), which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.

So, this Little Horn of the four Greek Kingdoms has to attack from the Northwest corridor of this Four Way Directional Box. And he conquers TOWARDS the Seleucids and the Ptolemy kingdoms and towards Israel. Only someone from the Cassandra kingdom qualifies here, and he also must arise out of the 10 (Complete Europe) thus he is a Greek, born in the E.U. (naturally). He also has to have Assyrian blood, so he's a Turk born in Greece making him a Grecian, and born in the E.U. making him an E.U. Citizen.
 
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I post what the Prophets said, using other scriptures and general knowledge to help explain them.
We have been given brains, God expects us to use them. ALL the information about the end time events is in our Bibles.
He has made understanding it difficult, for the reason that all may not understand; only a few.

Who are 'the 'others' you have in mind? The ECF's, the Commentators, preachers like Hagee, theory pushers on the forums? Judging them by their end times beliefs, shows hopeless deception and confusion.

We will only know for sure as events unfold.
But my task is to warn those who want to listen, of what the Lord has planned, so we can be prepared; Spiritually and physically.

We *all* are trying to do what you do, which is to share God's word as we understand it, and so be guided by the Lord. Clearly, we all have defects, and need to be corrected on various things. I don't know why you think you're called and nobody else is?

Even with our calls we make lots of mistakes. What makes the Bible difficult is that it was written more directly to people who lived a very long time ago. We are given the same material because in principle it applies to us.

But obviously, we are in a different time, and can only manage to translate some of those principles over into our own time. I don't think God is requiring us to be able to get all of this right in order to live a godly life. The basic Gospel is pretty simple.

I do think there are some very damaging false doctrines out there that skew some of the important biblical principles God would have us to know. For example, I think Pretribulationism is a doctrine hostile to true biblical teaching.

And yet I have to admit that this doctrine doesn't have the capacity to destroy godly living among those who adhere to its principles. People can get a lot of their eschatology wrong, and still live a godly life by the simple Gospel of Christ.

In a nutshell, the book of Revelation and other prophetic books that apply to us today are all about teaching us to endure in godliness in a world that is falling apart. It doesn't require a perfect eschatology or interpretation of Revelation to understand this and to practice it.

We don't have to hammer people with the threat of a coming asteroid to get their attention. Proclamation that there will be eternal judgment for those who reject living in Christ is sufficient.

Much of the Bible is simply to keep us from being deceived and on a godly path. Information that distracts us away from godly living and into arguments that go nowhere are as much in error as those who interpret Revelation wrong.
 

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We don't have to hammer people with the threat of a coming asteroid to get their attention. Proclamation that there will be eternal judgment for those who reject living in Christ is sufficient.
Obviously that isn't sufficient at all. Romans 1:19-32 explains why.

Why do you say 'a coming asteroid?
Haven't I posted enough to show that the Lord will use the sun to carry out His vengeance and wrath on His enemies?
 

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Russian President Putin is prepared to invade Ukraine. Is Israel next? Bible scholars identify Gog as the leader of Russia, and the land of Magog as Russia. A critical sign pointing to the Rapture is the invasion of Israel, which begins World War 3.

Russia and Gog: Ukraine Today, Israel Tomorrow?
Could be, but Joel Rosenberg's book "epicenter" places Iran in the mix, though that was from his application of the book of Ezekiel to modern events. It's a good read (and I always struggled with the nations and symbolism in Ezekiel.)